dre Posted December 31, 2014 Report Posted December 31, 2014 I don't even think Canada should be concerned about this guy. I could care less if some Canadians want to go and fight against a bunch of people invading some other country. I kind of look at what happened over there the same way I do when gang members shoot at each other. Oh well! I could have cared less of the Americans shot the guy, it was a war after all. But I dont see why Canada should spend any time at all on this. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jacee Posted December 31, 2014 Report Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) I don't even think Canada should be concerned about this guy. I could care less if some Canadians want to go and fight against a bunch of people invading some other country. I kind of look at what happened over there the same way I do when gang members shoot at each other. Oh well! I could have cared less of the Americans shot the guy, it was a war after all. But I dont see why Canada should spend any time at all on this. Because he was a child indoctrinated by his parents.In my case, also because I researched his pretrial hearing and learned that a US soldier testified that - He looked around the wall and saw a pile of rubble - Then the grenade that killed Speers came over the wall - When the US soldiers came around the wall they found an older man alive (shot him) - Then they found Omar Khadr under the pile of rubble. He couldn't have thrown the grenade. He took a plea. . Edited December 31, 2014 by jacee Quote
jbg Posted January 1, 2015 Report Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) Charging his mother with indoctrination - we call it radicalizing now - would effectively throw the entire rhetorical edifice the west has built around the GWOT out the window.Those charges should be laid many times over. It would overwhelm the courts of the civilized countries of the world. I don't even think Canada should be concerned about this guy. I could care less if some Canadians want to go and fight against a bunch of people invading some other country. I kind of look at what happened over there the same way I do when gang members shoot at each other. Oh well! I could have cared less of the Americans shot the guy, it was a war after all. But I dont see why Canada should spend any time at all on this. You don't care if he goes abroad to fight against Canada's forces? Edited January 1, 2015 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted January 2, 2015 Report Posted January 2, 2015 You don't care if he goes abroad to fight against Canada's forces? That's not what happened. In any case If our military is deployed in entirely elective and non defensive war and occupation of someone elses country then I blame our government for any of our troops that needlessly die. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
WIP Posted January 2, 2015 Report Posted January 2, 2015 Because he was a child indoctrinated by his parents. In my case, also because I researched his pretrial hearing and learned that a US soldier testified that - He looked around the wall and saw a pile of rubble - Then the grenade that killed Speers came over the wall - When the US soldiers came around the wall they found an older man alive (shot him) - Then they found Omar Khadr under the pile of rubble. He couldn't have thrown the grenade. He took a plea. . Yes, it seems like some people are a broken record on this subject...so what if was only 14 years old when his father brought him over there and put a rifle in his hands to fight...and so what if there was no proof that he threw a grenade that killed an American CIA agent...or that it makes a damn bit of real difference in real life whether someone is an "illegal" combatant, or a member of a recognized government army or a private mercenary for a subcontractor....kill him anyway! I think a lot of the people foaming at the mouth about Omar Kadr are just looking for ways to punish his family, and since that's not available, go after Omar. I don't know what sort of man he is today...whether he could be a terrorist or a decent citizen of this country, but ultimately, we have no choice! AS i see it, we don't have the right to prejudge him for what he might do when he is released from prison. I don't think he should have spent a day in Guantanamo as soon as our gutless government realized that the U.S. didn't have much of legal case agasint Omar Kadr. Without gaining a confession through the use of torture, they would have had nothing to legitimize holding him in that purgatory the U.S. Government runs down there in Cuba. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
eyeball Posted January 2, 2015 Report Posted January 2, 2015 But I dont see why Canada should spend any time at all on this. That ship has sailed. The time spent thus far has been cocked up so badly that considerably more along with a whack of cash will still need to be spent. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Big Guy Posted January 25, 2015 Author Report Posted January 25, 2015 There is a continuing attempt to by the USA to empty Guantanamo Bay. About 50 prisoners are now considered "safe" and will be repatriated. A number of others are going through a review process where what they stated during "intense interrogation" will not be allowed to be considered. Time to close that dark history in Cuba, review the case against Khadr and let him loose. This has taken too long and has cost us enough. Let him start paying for his own keep. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) I guess the fact America still maintains a POW and torture camp in Cuba sorta puts a little dent in their concern for human rights abuses taking place in Cuba. ....review the case against Khadr and let him loose. This has taken too long and has cost us enough. No, it's still not quite enough yet... Let him start paying for his own keep. His final settlement will probably go a long way towards doing that. Edited January 25, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 I guess the fact America still maintains a POW and torture camp in Cuba sorta puts a little dent in their concern for human rights abuses taking place in Cuba. Agreed...the U.S. will do whatever the hell it wants to... at 'Gitmo and elsewhere. The "human rights" and "responsibility to protect" charade is more at home in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Topaz Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 When one compares to what MAYBE Khadr did, to what a US Air Force pilot did in Afghanistan to 12 Canadians soldiers, with 4 dying and 8 being injured because the pilot drop a bomb on them, thinking they were Taliban, makes one wonder. If the US pilot had been found guilty, he would have gotten 6 months. I say Khadr has more then paid his dues, especially if he didn't do it. Let's give the guy a chance, he did say a while back he wants to go to law school. Quote
eyeball Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Agreed...the U.S. will do whatever the hell it wants to... at 'Gitmo and elsewhere. The "human rights" and "responsibility to protect" charade is more at home in Canada. You are to America as Rue is to Israel. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 You are to America as Rue is to Israel. Thank you....as Khadr is to Al Qaeda. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 25, 2015 Report Posted January 25, 2015 Don't waste your thanks on me...no one can pat you on the back better than yourself. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jacee Posted February 7, 2015 Report Posted February 7, 2015 Thank you....as Khadr is to Al Qaeda. Khadr makes Al Quaeda look bad?! . Quote
WIP Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 When one compares to what MAYBE Khadr did, to what a US Air Force pilot did in Afghanistan to 12 Canadians soldiers, with 4 dying and 8 being injured because the pilot drop a bomb on them, thinking they were Taliban, makes one wonder. If the US pilot had been found guilty, he would have gotten 6 months. I say Khadr has more then paid his dues, especially if he didn't do it. Let's give the guy a chance, he did say a while back he wants to go to law school. I'm surprised that the Omar Khadr story is still even an issue for debate! Even if the confession that he was tortured into writing was accurate, there were still no grounds for holding him in prison, as he was a minor (15 at the time) and whoever tossed that grenade was trying to escape capture in a war zone. But by the selective use of international law, the U.S. disregards the fact that he was a minor, but seizes upon the fact that Al Qaeda were "illegal" combatants, unlike those deemed to be legal combattants! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 Khadr is an illegal combatant, murderer, and terrorist. Otherwise I am sure he is a very nice guy ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 Yeah, probably a lot like Obama but with a beard. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Yeah, probably a lot like Obama but with a beard.Not a bad analogy. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted February 17, 2015 Report Posted February 17, 2015 It was a little tasteless though, my apologies to Khadr. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 17, 2015 Report Posted February 17, 2015 Khadr is an illegal combatant, murderer, and terrorist. Otherwise I am sure he is a very nice guy ! Or at least thats what they say down in Gitmo. Watch out they dont come for you one day. BTW, have you ever heard of habeas corpus. Apparently neither has Bush. Quote
Big Guy Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Posted April 25, 2015 So Khadr has been granted bail and the Harper government has promised to appeal. How much more of our money is Harper ready to spend on this losing cause? What is he trying to prove? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted April 25, 2015 Report Posted April 25, 2015 Hes not trying to prove anything. He is desperately trying to harvest votes from the base. What else is new... Quote
Hydraboss Posted April 25, 2015 Report Posted April 25, 2015 So Khadr has been granted bail and the Harper government has promised to appeal. How much more of our money is Harper ready to spend on this losing cause? What is he trying to prove? That murderers should spend life in prison. Only if the death penalty isn't available (which it should be for scum like this). Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
On Guard for Thee Posted April 25, 2015 Report Posted April 25, 2015 That murderers should spend life in prison. Only if the death penalty isn't available (which it should be for scum like this). Hes already spent life in prison. He was 15 years old. His country was invaded. The scum here is....you know who Quote
Hydraboss Posted April 25, 2015 Report Posted April 25, 2015 Then he's only got another 60-70 years left of time owed. Or we could just do him in now - which would be the right choice. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
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