It's All About Harper and the CPC.

PIK · July 3, 2014

Now you're repeating yourself. Anyway who is this SC you keep referring to?

I've already pointed out that Harper was in favor of going to war, but later recanted. Perhaps you should read a little more accurately before you "put up"

If you are talking Iraq, then I would like to see where he said that, my understanding is he want chretien to give moral support for it.But really we had many soldiers in Iraq and even one of our generals was 2nd in command. Edited July 3, 2014 by PIK

On Guard for Thee · July 3, 2014

If you are talking Iraq, then I would like to see where he said that, my understanding is he want chretien to give moral support for it.But really we had many soldiers in Iraq and even one of our generals was 2nd in command.

He said it in the house of commons. He said it in a letter he wrote to the New York Times, and who knows where else. Somewhere in 2008 he recanted finally admitting the war was a mistake.

Boges · July 3, 2014

Yeah Harper was for the war in Iraq, lots of people were.

W and his group were able to fool a lot of people.

Hasn't really hurt Harper at all today, he's won 3 elections. I never heard Martin, Dion or Iggy use Harpers previous stance on Iraq once in any of the elections he's won. Does JT plan to?

On Guard for Thee · July 3, 2014

I'd say it's too far back in the history books to be any kind of an issue now, plus he did recant so that would tend to take any sting that JT, or anyone else, could attempt to inflict. But there are lot's of other issues. We shall begin to see shortly I expect just after the BBQ session ends. As for right now, how do you like your steak?

bush_cheney2004 · July 3, 2014

Is this the same independent Canada that begs the U.S. for a new bitumen pipeline to Texas ? Is this the same independent Canada that wants a new bridge across the Detroit River ? Is this the same independent Canada that pleaded with the U.S. for access to oil services contracts in Iraq after the invasion was over ? Is this the same independent Canada that asked the U.S. Navy for assistance in getting a supply ship to Hawaii and ultimately towed back home ?

Or is this the not so independent Canada that understands the advantages of close economic and military integration with the largest economy in the world, with a prime minister who gets it, instead of failed opposition leaders from Harvard ?

Edited July 3, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

monty16 · July 3, 2014

b_c, it's a thread about the CPC and Harper. Why not try to stop making it about something else that appeals to you at the moment? Thanks!

July 3, 2014

Guyser, I'll let you know when I'm again able to cut and paste. For now just google it because there are tons of references to Harper's mad rush to war that eclipsed the US madness.

I can't cut and paste, or use the quote function, in IE. I keep a Firefox on hand for that very purpose. I opened it just to make this post.

On Guard for Thee · July 4, 2014

Is this the same independent Canada that begs the U.S. for a new bitumen pipeline to Texas ? Is this the same independent Canada that wants a new bridge across the Detroit River ? Is this the same independent Canada that pleaded with the U.S. for access to oil services contracts in Iraq after the invasion was over ? Is this the same independent Canada that asked the U.S. Navy for assistance in getting a supply ship to Hawaii and ultimately towed back home ?

Or is this the not so independent Canada that understands the advantages of close economic and military integration with the largest economy in the world, with a prime minister who gets it, instead of failed opposition leaders from Harvard ?

What horse pukey! Even your own president doesn't seem to want the Keystone. And we sure as hell aren't begging, more like protesting the possibility. Who gives a shit about another bridge? Your Iraqi reference is totally flawed (as usual) Yes we did get help towing the boat home. Our opposition leader is from Qubec. Well you got one right. You're getting better I must say.

monty16 · July 4, 2014

bcsapper, I have been able to cut and paste here up until about 3 days ago I think. I should also say that I can't use the quote option either. Your idea of using Firefox seems to be a good one. I might try it.

On guard, Harper hates Obama and is trying to subvert from without. Americans should be aware of that. So in fact, b_c is providing useful input on the topic. I just wish he wouldn't keep spamming off topic!

On Guard for Thee · July 4, 2014

bcsapper, I have been able to cut and paste here up until about 3 days ago I think. I should also say that I can't use the quote option either. Your idea of using Firefox seems to be a good one. I might try it.

On guard, Harper hates Obama and is trying to subvert from without. Americans should be aware of that. So in fact, b_c is providing useful input on the topic. I just wish he wouldn't keep spamming off topic!

Hate is probably too strong a word, subvert is probably too strong a word, and I doubt Americans need you to tell them what they should be aware of, whether you agree with them or not.

monty16 · July 4, 2014

On Guard, and who gave you the credentials to tell me what I should be telling Americans. Anyway, you said it when you said 'should be aware of'. Are you just running around now looking for a fight? Why are you continuously attacking me when you know you should be attacking my opinions?

On Guard for Thee · July 4, 2014

Hate is probably too strong a word, subvert is probably too strong a word, and I doubt Americans need you to tell them what they should be aware of, whether you agree with them or not.

I just snubbed you. Where did you get hose credentials?

Topaz · July 4, 2014

Let me ask a question to all...do you believe that Canada, the USA and Mexico have given up on the North American UNION..yes or no and why?

Argus · July 4, 2014

Another bash America thread

Another incoherent bash America thread, you mean.

monty16 · July 4, 2014

Topaz, this thread is about Harper and his CPC, and taking Canada to close to US aggression throughout the world. I appreciate that you have a reasonable question but this isn't the thread for it.

We must resist that and I think the Canadian people are starting to understand. Hopefully before Harper becomes the cause of a terrorist attack against Canada for our complicity in US crimes against humanity.

Jean Chretien showed us the way and I believe that Trudeau will too. Or for that matter, any other party than the CPC.

Thanks.

guyser · July 4, 2014

Another incoherent bash America thread, you mean.

Well yeah, but I felt it wasnt necessary to be so obvious.

Topaz · July 4, 2014

Monty. what you said has everything to do with Harper government. How many documents have Harper signed with US Presidents? connecting the two countries. How many government agencies has he harmonized with the US? Harper keeps saying he loves the US and he shows it in trade talks. Perhaps the only thing going for Canadians is the fact not too many other countries are in love with Harper. Too bad that people who have problems with a certain country didn't deal with that leader and leave the people alone.

bush_cheney2004 · July 4, 2014

...Jean Chretien showed us the way and I believe that Trudeau will too. Or for that matter, any other party than the CPC.

Ahem.....Jean Chretien showed the way to bomb Serbia and kill the locals in Afghanistan. Then Martin "invaded" Haiti to depose the democratically elected president.

Edited July 4, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

WWWTT · July 5, 2014

Do you have a link or something specific we can discuss here ?

Michael, No I don't have a link and I'm still having difficulties posting links for some reason. However, if you are demanding one because of forum rules to supply one, I'll go to the trouble of digging one up.

If I was you monty16, I would not provide a link.

You only have to provide a link if you are challenged for pushing alleged facts. And from your opener, you are only making a wide feild generalizations of well known trends.

The conservative government has been increasing military, increasing jails and jail times served, support for Israel, dropping the gun registry among many things that are clearly very similar to US foreign and domestic policy.

Harder's request is vague. And just because he is a moderator here, that doesn't mean that he is above critisicm. Don't let that intimidate you!

Also, don't be afraid of reporting him either!

WWWTT

jbg · July 5, 2014

There is an imminent danger of Canada leaning too far with the US and it's politics. We are different and we need to maintain that difference by maintaining our distance. I'm fully convinced that the US is now on the slippery slope of thinking it can dominate the world with it's military might. Yet it's become obvious in the last 10 or 20 years that military might is going to take a back seat to economic might. Remember who said, 'if you're not with us then you're against us', or words to that effect.

Can we be neither, 'with the US' or 'against the US'? Can se continue to be what Canada used to represent to the world? Can we choose to proudly display the maple leaf on our backpacks without fear? Should we even want to?

The U.S. is about the best neighbor you could have. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

The question is, will the US allow the natural progression of the changes to the world that are happening. Will it still exert it's military might when it can no longer compete with economic might. And then, how will small countries or even unknown entities fight back against US aggression?

If your post were written in 1812-15 you might have a point.

And the big question is: Will Canada be so aligned with the US by that time that we will be seen as just a part of the US? It seems that Harper and his CPC see no danger in doing that.

Is that what Canadians want?

Opinions?

You must be hallucinating if you think that the U.S. wants Canada to be a part of it.

monty16 · July 5, 2014

Thanks Topaz and WWWTT for the encouragement, and it looks like my idea isn't a foreign one to Canadians. In my opinion Harper is a US lap dog and a traitor to all that is Canadian and he must be stopped.

jbg, No country that has encouraged terrorist attacks against it is ever going to be a good neighbour to Canada. Maybe you're thinking of Switzerland?

GostHacked · July 5, 2014

Harper is a lapdog, but he is not Obama's lapdog. Obama and Harper bow to the same master.

WestCoastRunner · July 5, 2014

jbg, No country that has encouraged terrorist attacks against it is ever going to be a good neighbour to Canada. Maybe you're thinking of Switzerland?

The U.S. has our back in the event of terrorist attacks or other forms of attacks on Canada. I have no problem with the good old U.S. of A. having our back. And quite frankly, I thank them for that. They are absolutely a good neighbour to Canada.