bush_cheney2004 Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 The Brits used to hack each other to death with swords, maces and axes and shoot each other with long bows. They grew out of that to. Americans aren't British and they sure ain't Canadian. We grew out of that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Americans aren't British and they sure ain't Canadian. We grew out of that too. You conveniently neglected to ignore the per capita issue that Wilber pointed out, even though he thought you could figure that out. And you can't grow out of something you never grew into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Mentally ill? Yes, but most likely driven to violence by an ill society with easy access to the weapons that are required to act out his violence.Was a gun ban going to make Mr. Rodgers mentally well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Was a gun ban going to make Mr. Rodgers mentally well? Am thinking it probably would have kept him from shooting people? It's not just access to guns that's the problem. As our resident Yankee troll unwittingly demonstrates, it's the culture of guns and their treatment as fetish objects, sacred totems, penis proxies that's part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Am thinking it probably would have kept him from shooting people? It's not just access to guns that's the problem. As our resident Yankee troll unwittingly demonstrates, it's the culture of guns and their treatment as fetish objects, sacred totems, penis proxies that's part of the problem. Banning guns would not have done much good for the people he stabbed to death, or the people he ran over with his BMW. I guess we need to start calling on the ban of knives and BMW's now as well. I am thinking that proper diagnosis and tratment of mental illness might be a more efficient solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 BTW. 500 US children a year are killed by accidental firearms discharges, vs how many mass murders prevented by packing citizens? Yeah, and over 300 US children are killed each year in agricultural accidents, compared with how many potential starving related deaths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Banning guns would not have done much good for the people he stabbed to death, or the people he ran over with his BMW. I guess we need to start calling on the ban of knives and BMW's now as well. How fatuous. I am thinking that proper diagnosis and tratment of mental illness might be a more efficient solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Whenever I think about banning guns I always remember how successful banning drugs has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 How fatuous. How so? Even his parents admit there were red flags overlooked and missed opportunities to intervene that would have prevented this. Banning guns however, would unfortunately not have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Am thinking it probably would have kept him from shooting people? It's not just access to guns that's the problem. As our resident Yankee troll unwittingly demonstrates, it's the culture of guns and their treatment as fetish objects, sacred totems, penis proxies that's part of the problem.Am I the "resident Yankee troll"? I hope not. As we saw in a recent (yes, U.S.) incident a student went on a pretty serious knife rampage recently. What I think this comes down to (and I may but can't promise a thread on this issue) is a need for people generally to keep better track of their neighbors and acquaintances. Someone, particularly the administration, faculty or other students at the "college" he was attending should have noticed this guy's spiraling decline. Likewise James Holmes, Jared Lochner and other recent mass killers. The Newtown slayer may have been genuinely inaccessible but most are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 How so? Even his parents admit there were red flags overlooked and missed opportunities to intervene that would have prevented this. Banning guns however, would unfortunately not have. Well, no one has spoken of actually banning guns for starters. Also your complaint about how no one wants to ban cars in spite of their damaging nature overlooks both the essential utility of cars over guns (the latter being specifically designed to kill) and the fact that cars are already heavily regulated, arguably even more so than guns. Finally the mere fact that people will die by means other than guns is not a convincing argument against regulating guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 No one has said that. But what gun control can do is minimize the amount of damage crazies can inflict. How's that working out? Similar to the Lanza case, these firearms were legally obtained. Only difference is that it was Lanza's mother who owned the firearms and not Lanza himself. But yet we see another incident and it surprises me this time to see the mental issue being pushed to the front as it should be with all these cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Finally the mere fact that people will die by means other than guns is not a convincing argument against regulating guns. Also a government run operation like Fast and Furious. Weapons given to Mexican drug cartels to trace and track the guns and the people, only to find those guns crossing the border back into the US and used to commit crimes. The gun control does nothing to address government negligence in this type of operation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Whenever I think about banning guns I always remember how successful banning drugs has been. War on X, you get more X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Yeah, and over 300 US children are killed each year in agricultural accidents, compared with how many potential starving related deaths? That only makes sense if you don't understand the essential difference between farm machinery and guns. A subsistence hunter might use that argument but coming from anyone else it just sounds rediculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 How's that working out? Similar to the Lanza case, these firearms were legally obtained. Only difference is that it was Lanza's mother who owned the firearms and not Lanza himself.But yet we see another incident and it surprises me this time to see the mental issue being pushed to the front as it should be with all these cases. If you limit the number of guns lying around, you make it more difficult for the crazies to obtain them. It will never be impossible but Lanza's mother hadn't had that arsenal available to him, things might have gone in a different direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Well, no one has spoken of actually banning guns for starters. Sorry, I must have missed something... Was a gun ban going to make Mr. Rodgers mentally well? Am thinking it probably would have kept him from shooting people Also your complaint about how no one wants to ban cars in spite of their damaging nature overlooks both the essential utility of cars over guns (the latter being specifically designed to kill) and the fact that cars are already heavily regulated, arguably even more so than guns. I don't advocate for the banning of vehicles any more than I do the banning of guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 How's that working out? Similar to the Lanza case, these firearms were legally obtained. Only difference is that it was Lanza's mother who owned the firearms and not Lanza himself. Maybe that is a sign that it's too easy for people to get guns legally. But yet we see another incident and it surprises me this time to see the mental issue being pushed to the front as it should be with all these cases. You mean cases where the shooter is a white guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Sorry, I must have missed something... Speaking offhand. Banning certain types of firearms should probably be considered. Heavily regulate the rest. I don't advocate for the banning of vehicles any more than I do the banning of guns. Speaking to your silly analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 That only makes sense if you don't understand the essential difference between farm machinery and guns. A subsistence hunter might use that argument but coming from anyone else it just sounds rediculous. I agree, it sounds ridiculous. I guess it's not so much the tool used, but the intent to which it's used for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Speaking to your silly analogy. This guy killed the first three people with a knife, not a gun. And he ran over several more victims with his car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 If you limit the number of guns lying around, you make it more difficult for the crazies to obtain them. It will never be impossible but Lanza's mother hadn't had that arsenal available to him, things might have gone in a different direction. These are LEGALLY obtained firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Maybe that is a sign that it's too easy for people to get guns legally. Even easier to get one illegally. Criminals will still find a way. This only hampers the overall right to own a firearm. Which is always in the cross hairs of the government. You mean cases where the shooter is a white guy. I don't care what colour of skin the guy has. It's not relevant overall. As in many other cases. Race is not something that needs to be brought into this gun debate thing. It's a really divisive item that does not get to the root of the problem. The media was complicit in facilitating the racial issue with the Zimmerman shooting of Martin. We don't need it, it's not productive, it is more of a distraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Race is not something that needs to be brought into this gun debate thing. It's a really divisive item that does not get to the root of the problem. The media was complicit in facilitating the racial issue with the Zimmerman shooting of Martin. We don't need it, it's not productive, it is more of a distraction. I disagree - it's quite relevant, and I think a lot of African Americans would agree. Probably more relevant than having Canadians discuss an American issue, for that matter, since they actually live there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Infringing on Americans' constitutional rights to own and bear arms is not a cure for mental illness. The guns aren't going away...get use to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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