This week in Islam

[WestCoastRunner]

I don't know what planet you're calling in from, but Afghanistan's educational failings are well-known on this one.

But perhaps you can show me some citation from a qualified body showing the high literacy and educational level of Afghanistan women...

But probably not.

I was pointing out your ignorance of the history of women in Afghanistan. Of course, their literacy rate is terrible. I was certainly not arguing against that. But as I mentioned earlier, Afghanistan at one time had a very liberal attitude towards women and I don't think I need to repeat my cite that I mentioned above.

[WestCoastRunner]

Really? Spent a whole lot of time tromping around in Afghanistan talking about education with women, have you?

Really? And you must have spent your entire lifetime, boots on the ground traveling the world with the "facts" that you throw out here on this forum. There is a thing called the 'internet' where we can now do research. Maybe you have heard of it.

[WestCoastRunner]

What my post was, was accurate, however much that offends your delicate sense of equality.

Meanwhile, the school day in Afghanistan remains barely three hours long, the quality of content in textbooks is notoriously bad, few schools have even rudimentary science lab supplies, and the ministry of education struggles with basic tasks such as getting accurate statistics on its schools and teachers. There are districts without a single qualified female teacher. Only 20% of women aged 15-24 are literate more than a decade after the Taliban were ousted from power, and that number is three times lower in rural areas. The Afghanistan cluster surveys found that only 30% of adult women with some primary education are literate, which means that the education system is failing too many girls.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2013/jun/21/funding-education-in-afghanistan

Thank goodness I have a 'delicate sense of equality' to stand up against bullies like you.

[WestCoastRunner]

The same could be said of Pakistan. Unfortunately, like Afghanistan, extremist Islam has turned that country completely backwards.

I wasn't talking about Pakistan. I was talking about Afghanistan.

[Argus]

I was pointing out your ignorance of the history of women in Afghanistan. Of course, their literacy rate is terrible. I was certainly not arguing against that.

So in other words, everything I said was correct, but you chose to attack me anyway because the facts offended you. Gotcha.

[Argus]

Thank goodness I have a 'delicate sense of equality' to stand up against bullies like you.

Sorry? I made a statement which about Afghanistan, and you immediately launched a personal attack on me and you're whining that I'm a bully because I responded in kind?

[Argus]

More joyful Muslims expressing their love of peace and tranquility (with knives), this time in China.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-28539762

[The_Squid]

More joyful Muslims expressing their love of peace and tranquility (with knives), this time in China.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-28539762

Might have more to do with fighting an oppressive communist regime than religion...

[On Guard for Thee]

Really? And you must have spent your entire lifetime, boots on the ground traveling the world with the "facts" that you throw out here on this forum. There is a thing called the 'internet' where we can now do research. Maybe you have heard of it.

I was lucky enough to have my boots on the ground there and I have to say I quite enjoyed it. You are correct about the literacy rate in general terms especially outside the cities. But as you also point out one need only browse the internet to find out such things. I have heard you know who go on about the lack of sophistication of the place/people, which only serves to underline his own. The place has a rich and diverse history. And correct again with regard to your comment about the treatment of women. Wasn't always the way much of the world percieves it now. But again you can find that out without being there. Aside from the internet, they also have books. They can be quite enlightening as well.

[Argus]

I was lucky enough to have my boots on the ground there and I have to say I quite enjoyed it. You are correct about the literacy rate in general terms especially outside the cities. But as you also point out one need only browse the internet to find out such things. I have heard you know who go on about the lack of sophistication of the place/people, which only serves to underline his own. The place has a rich and diverse history. And correct again with regard to your comment about the treatment of women. Wasn't always the way much of the world percieves it now. But again you can find that out without being there. Aside from the internet, they also have books. They can be quite enlightening as well.

Its a shithole. You can wax prosaic over it all you want. That won't change the facts. They have the internet? Most of the country doesn't even have electricity, dude. They're not on the internet. And since most of them are illiterate why would they want to be?

[2] Despite the establishment of Civil Law, regional customs take precedence over national law, as well as Sharia law. Due to shortcomings in the implementation of the Civil law, child marriages are still prevalent.[4][5] While new laws are being introduced progressively, the U.N. Development Programme’s annual Gender Inequality Index still ranks Afghanistan as the sixth worst country for female equality in the world.[6] Statistics from the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission showed that about 60-80% of the total marriages in Afghanistan are forced and/or underage marriage.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_Afghanistan

[On Guard for Thee]

Its a shithole. You can wax prosaic over it all you want. That won't change the facts. They have the internet? Most of the country doesn't even have electricity, dude. They're not on the internet. And since most of them are illiterate why would they want to be?

[2] Despite the establishment of Civil Law, regional customs take precedence over national law, as well as Sharia law. Due to shortcomings in the implementation of the Civil law, child marriages are still prevalent.[4][5] While new laws are being introduced progressively, the U.N. Development Programme’s annual Gender Inequality Index still ranks Afghanistan as the sixth worst country for female equality in the world.[6] Statistics from the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission showed that about 60-80% of the total marriages in Afghanistan are forced and/or underage marriage.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_Afghanistan

I suggest you try reading "A Thousand Splendid Suns" or "Where Men Win Glory" and get some insight into the place and it's history from people who have been there rather than being led by the nose by your internet selections.

[Argus]

And now we go to lovely Turkey, a land of great history, I'm sure, where the deputy prime minister has told women to stop acting like sluts but laughing in public. It's not modest, you know, it's not how a proper Muslim woman should act!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/women-should-not-laugh-turks-make-deputy-pm-the-butt-of-jokes-on-twitter/article19842123/#dashboard/follows/

[Argus]

I suggest you try reading "A Thousand Splendid Suns" or "Where Men Win Glory" and get some insight into the place and it's history from people who have been there rather than being led by the nose by your internet selections.

I don't care about Afghanistan's history, which, by the way, is mostly one of constant warfare. I care about what it is now and will be in the foreseeable future. And that is a miserable place of poverty, illiteracy, ignorance and religious fanaticism, and one of the very worst places in the world any woman would want to be born in (according to the UN). Most of the other worst places for a woman to live in the world are also Muslim countries, btw.

Afghanistan: The average Afghan girl will live to only 45 – one year less than an Afghan male. After three decades of war and religion-based repression, an overwhelming number of women are illiterate. More than half of all brides are under 16, and one woman dies in childbirth every half hour. Domestic violence is so common that 87 per cent of women admit to experiencing it. But more than one million widows are on the streets, often forced into prostitution. Afghanistan is the only country in which the female suicide rate is higher than that of males. -- Torstar

Edited July 30, 2014 by Argus

[WestCoastRunner]

I don't care about Afghanistan's history, which, by the way, is mostly one of constant warfare. I care about what it is now and will be in the foreseeable future. And that is a miserable place of poverty, illiteracy, ignorance and religious fanaticism, and one of the very worst places in the world any woman would want to be born in (according to the UN). Most of the other worst places for a woman to live in the world are also Muslim countries, btw.

Afghanistan: The average Afghan girl will live to only 45 – one year less than an Afghan male. After three decades of war and religion-based repression, an overwhelming number of women are illiterate. More than half of all brides are under 16, and one woman dies in childbirth every half hour. Domestic violence is so common that 87 per cent of women admit to experiencing it. But more than one million widows are on the streets, often forced into prostitution. Afghanistan is the only country in which the female suicide rate is higher than that of males. -- Torstar

You are telling us information that we already know. Easily found on the internet, no reason for boots on the ground to do research. Your posts continue to degrade the history of women in Afghanistan and you refuse to acknowledge it. But hey, I hope you enjoy your view on the world.

[WestCoastRunner]

Its a shithole. You can wax prosaic over it all you want. That won't change the facts. They have the internet? Most of the country doesn't even have electricity, dude. They're not on the internet. And since most of them are illiterate why would they want to be?

[2] Despite the establishment of Civil Law, regional customs take precedence over national law, as well as Sharia law. Due to shortcomings in the implementation of the Civil law, child marriages are still prevalent.[4][5] While new laws are being introduced progressively, the U.N. Development Programme’s annual Gender Inequality Index still ranks Afghanistan as the sixth worst country for female equality in the world.[6] Statistics from the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission showed that about 60-80% of the total marriages in Afghanistan are forced and/or underage marriage.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_Afghanistan

You misundstood OGFT's reference to the internet and books. He was referring to your claim that boots need to be on the ground to do research on women in Afghanistan. That's not true, there are books and of course the internet to conduct research, even on women that were once upon a time not so very long ago, treated much differently then they are now, and yes even educated and practicing their professions.

[GostHacked]

And now we go to lovely Turkey, a land of great history, I'm sure, where the deputy prime minister has told women to stop acting like sluts but laughing in public. It's not modest, you know, it's not how a proper Muslim woman should act!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/women-should-not-laugh-turks-make-deputy-pm-the-butt-of-jokes-on-twitter/article19842123/#dashboard/follows/

Maybe NATO should look at kicking Turkey out of the club.

[Shady]

Maybe NATO should look at kicking Turkey out of the club.

Probably a good idea.

[Guest]

Or just give the Deputy PM a good kicking.

Imagine if he ever made PM. All that photographic evidence...

[The_Squid]

And now we go to lovely Turkey, a land of great history, I'm sure, where the deputy prime minister has told women to stop acting like sluts but laughing in public. It's not modest, you know, it's not how a proper Muslim woman should act!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/women-should-not-laugh-turks-make-deputy-pm-the-butt-of-jokes-on-twitter/article19842123/#dashboard/follows/

Sounds like some MPs in the Harper gov't.

[dre]

More joyful Muslims expressing their love of peace and tranquility (with knives), this time in China.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-28539762

Canadians torch part of a city because the wrong hockey team won.

[Bonam]

Canadians torch part of a city because the wrong hockey team won.

How many casualties? How does that compare to some of the other events other members have linked to in this thread about "this week in Islam"?

[dre]

How many casualties? How does that compare to some of the other events other members have linked to in this thread about "this week in Islam"?

Oh I didnt know casualties were required... I thought it was just a thread for retarded anecdotal generalizations!

[Shady]

Oh I didnt know casualties were required... I thought it was just a thread for retarded anecdotal generalizations!

If you think that the contents of this thread is just anecdotal generaliztions, then keep your head in the sand. Pathetic.

[On Guard for Thee]

Oh I didnt know casualties were required... I thought it was just a thread for retarded anecdotal generalizations

Not until you showed up.

[Bonam]

Oh I didnt know casualties were required... I thought it was just a thread for retarded anecdotal generalizations!

You present the example, presumably with some purpose in doing so, not just as a random off topic thing in a thread about "this week in Islam". What was that purpose? To illustrate that people do dumb things in Canada too? To draw some kind of equivalence? If so, the point of my question should be obvious. If not, then I guess it was just a random off topic comment.