This week in Islam

[dialamah]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

NOT ALL DOG LOVERS!!!!!

Take a pill, geeze.

[Marocc]

On 8/15/2019 at 8:01 PM, DogOnPorch said:

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse To Take Guide Dogs...

https://summit.news/2019/08/15/austria-muslim-taxi-drivers-refuse-to-transport-guide-dogs-for-the-blind/

Dogs are considered to be dirty and impure in Islam as Muhammad hated dogs and was likely fearful of them.

Proud to be a dog....on a porch.

Their saliva is considered impure. Not the dog.

Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) cared for dogs. That's why one day he was told angels don't enter houses with dogs in them. Because he had a dog in his house one night.

But who knows what it meant. He also ordered to kill dogs and other animals with rabies. Maybe the angel was referring to rabies? Maybe it wasn't a continuous order?

[dialamah]

44 minutes ago, Marocc said:

Their saliva is considered impure. Not the dog.

Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) cared for dogs. That's why one day he was told angels don't enter houses with dogs in them. Because he had a dog in his house one night.

But who knows what it meant. He also ordered to kill dogs and other animals with rabies. Maybe the angel was referring to rabies? Maybe it wasn't a continuous order?

Dogs (and other animals) in Muslim majority countries are treated horrifically, in part at least because of the teachings of Islam.   If dogs are 'impure', then it's a lot easier to beat and torture them for sport, tie them up outside on roofs and balconies, and neglect them to a slow and painful death, or just kill them outright.  Western countries at least make some attempt to treat animals humanely, even if they often fall short.  

[DogOnPorch]

2 hours ago, Marocc said:

Their saliva is considered impure. Not the dog.

Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) cared for dogs. That's why one day he was told angels don't enter houses with dogs in them. Because he had a dog in his house one night.

But who knows what it meant. He also ordered to kill dogs and other animals with rabies. Maybe the angel was referring to rabies? Maybe it wasn't a continuous order?

 

Do what you have to to justify Islam's horrible treatment of animals.

[Marocc]

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

Dogs (and other animals) in Muslim majority countries are treated horrifically, in part at least because of the teachings of Islam.   If dogs are 'impure', then it's a lot easier to beat and torture them for sport, tie them up outside on roofs and balconies, and neglect them to a slow and painful death, or just kill them outright.  Western countries at least make some attempt to treat animals humanely, even if they often fall short.  

Your argumentation starts to sound like DoP and Argus. Gotta watch what company you keep.

What is your evidence for what you say?

Edited August 17, 2019 by Marocc

[dialamah]

 

1 minute ago, Marocc said:

What is your evidence for what you say

My dog was born in Egypt, rescued by my sister, and she brought him to Canada for me.  As a result I donate to and follow ESMA, and see how the government and most of the people treat dogs and other animals.  There serms to be nothing in Islam that inspires people to treat animals humanely.

[Guest]

April fool's day comes a little late in Iran.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/17/iranian-world-press-photo-award-winner-forough-alaei-detained/

"Are there any women here today?"

Edited August 18, 2019 by bcsapper

[scribblet]

And here I thought they didn't like dogs because they sniffed bombs. 

There are many instances of Muslim drivers not allowing guide dogs in their vehicles, in various countries, even bus drivers in England who won't let a blind passenger with a guide dog on the bus.     Daniel Pipes lists some of them..    if you don't think this is correct please provide proof that he is wrong.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/11/muslim-taxi-drivers-vs-seeing-eye-dogs

 

[dialamah]

14 hours ago, bcsapper said:

April fool's day comes a little late in Iran.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/17/iranian-world-press-photo-award-winner-forough-alaei-detained/

"Are there any women here today?"

In a letter to the head of Iran's Football Federation in June the president of FIFA demanded to be informed of the "concrete steps" the Iranian government would be taking to lift its ban on women entering stadiums by September.

It'd be nice if FIFA refused to let Iran participate till it lifted its ridiculous ban.  But FIFA isn't really famous for its social conscience. 

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, dialamah said:

In a letter to the head of Iran's Football Federation in June the president of FIFA demanded to be informed of the "concrete steps" the Iranian government would be taking to lift its ban on women entering stadiums by September.

It'd be nice if FIFA refused to let Iran participate till it lifted its ridiculous ban.  But FIFA isn't really famous for its social conscience. 

I confess to being utterly confused by that article.  I made a post, deleted it, checked Snopes, Googled like mad, made another post, changed that, etc.  I still can't believe that the Life of Brian is proving so prophetic.  First with Loretta, and now women with beards!

[Marocc]

21 hours ago, dialamah said:

 

My dog was born in Egypt, rescued by my sister, and she brought him to Canada for me.  As a result I donate to and follow ESMA, and see how the government and most of the people treat dogs and other animals.  There serms to be nothing in Islam that inspires people to treat animals humanely.

That's not evidence. And if you read amnesty's news letters you'll be convinced in two weeks that the human race has turned somehow more evil suddenly, or if you read WWF's newsletters you'll be convinced the earth will fail us withing two years and start growing vegetables on your balcony.

 

That's what the 'information' is for. Not saying it isn't real. Much of it can be. But if you think about real statistics and compare them to other countries and then check how exactly they use your charity you'll see they're after your money more than anything.

5 hours ago, scribblet said:

And here I thought they didn't like dogs because they sniffed bombs. 

There are many instances of Muslim drivers not allowing guide dogs in their vehicles, in various countries, even bus drivers in England who won't let a blind passenger with a guide dog on the bus.     Daniel Pipes lists some of them..    if you don't think this is correct please provide proof that he is wrong.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/11/muslim-taxi-drivers-vs-seeing-eye-dogs

 

It's not enough it's from Daniel Pipes? Why do I feel that if I were you I'd say, "you have to prove it. You're the one making the claim."

 

You already know your source isn't credible and neither are you.

[scribblet]

1 hour ago, Marocc said:

It's not enough it's from Daniel Pipes? Why do I feel that if I were you I'd say, "you have to prove it. You're the one making the claim."

You already know your source isn't credible and neither are you.

I know it's credible with other sources to back him up  I know you don't like people documenting facts.  If you think none of the stories about muslims refusing guide dogs are true, say so. 

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, scribblet said:

I know it's credible with other sources to back him up  I know you don't like people documenting facts.  If you think none of the stories about muslims refusing guide dogs are true, say so. 

You could always use credible sources then, instead of wasting time having your stupid sources challenged. 

Anyway, I believe Muslins do refuse guide dogs entry to cabs and buses, and I don't think they have that right.  The dog isn't touching them and there is nothing in their religion that prevents them being in company of a dog. 

[Marocc]

37 minutes ago, scribblet said:

I know it's credible with other sources to back him up  I know you don't like people documenting facts.  If you think none of the stories about muslims refusing guide dogs are true, say so. 

I don't care if some Muslims somewhere refuse to have dogs in their cab. The question with Daniel Pipes is obviously how misleading his bs is.

They also refuse, drunken passangers and sick people. It's their affair who they drive and where. It isn't ideal to take a dog in a cab anyway. Surely someone with a dog will ask when they call the cab, can I bring my dog?

Kind of like some people bring their dogs to buses and trains where they're not supposed to be. A sign with a dog and a red line over it means no dogs. It has a significance, but dog lovers think everyone should love their dog as  much as they do.

 

 

[scribblet]

21 minutes ago, Marocc said:

I don't care if some Muslims somewhere refuse to have dogs in their cab. The question with Daniel Pipes is obviously how misleading his bs is.

They also refuse, drunken passangers and sick people. It's their affair who they drive and where. It isn't ideal to take a dog in a cab anyway. Surely someone with a dog will ask when they call the cab, can I bring my dog?

Kind of like some people bring their dogs to buses and trains where they're not supposed to be. A sign with a dog and a red line over it means no dogs. It has a significance, but dog lovers think everyone should love their dog as  much as they do.

 

 

We are talking about refusing guide rdogs, you should care but obviously you have no regard for  the disabled.  Pipes is easier because incidents are listed with sources, but if you prefer when I get time I will list some of them individually.

[dialamah]

41 minutes ago, Marocc said:

Kind of like some people bring their dogs to buses and trains where they're not supposed to be. A sign with a dog and a red line over it means no dogs. It has a significance, but dog lovers think everyone should love their dog as  much as they do.

These are guide dogs we're talking about.   Most Western countries do not allow guide dogs to be prohibited from public places. 

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, dialamah said:

These are guide dogs we're talking about.   Most Western countries do not allow guide dogs to be prohibited from public places. 

It's like refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.  If there is another bakery next door that will, I can see being sensitive to a person's feelings and going there instead.  Same with a taxi.  But if there is not, then both the taxi and the bakery should have to provide their service to all customers or lose their business licence.

[scribblet]

Here are some instances.  I would agree that if there are numerous cabs available then it would be okay to ask another cabby to take the dog.   In one of the links the cabbies were arguing over it, guess there weren’t any non Muslim drivers at the time.    

 

This one lost his licence, some are just fined

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/nottingham-taxi-driver-loses-licence-2519498?fbclid=IwAR3ATk3wtWmYL9enyxRnrsQv3Ur2xsgPEJuEPfbbPJRT5gLwhR26VjWKmhk

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/taxi-driver-found-guilty-refusing-15859354

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2709061/muslim-taxi-driver-refused-blind-passenger/\

 

Austria  https://www.tt.com/panorama/gesellschaft/15929619/mitnahme-von-hunden-in-innsbrucker-taxis-bleibt-ein-aufreger?sfns=mo

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2709061/muslim-taxi-driver-refused-blind-passenger/

 Australia

https://www.news.com.au/national/muslim-cabbies-refusing-the-blind-and-drinkers/news-story/031137906f88be4ab6d52650d3b9841f

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4157454/Taxi-driver-refused-pick-blind-dog.html

buses

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295749/Muslim-bus-drivers-refuse-let-guide-dogs-board.html

 

and I would be absolutely furious if this happened to me

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7187511/Muslim-bus-driver-locks-passengers-aboard-as-he-stops-to-pray.html

 

they have a lot of issues

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/50071/Sniffer-dogs-offend-Muslims

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1029887/Muslims-searched-sniffer-dogs-despite-religious-objections-say-police.html

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/3775993/Blind-mans-guide-dog-barred-from-restaurant-for-offending-Muslims.html

[scribblet]

Karma !

https://summit.news/2019/08/16/muslim-cleric-killed-after-cow-he-was-about-to-ritually-slaughter-fights-back/

 

[Michael Hardner]

On 8/18/2019 at 7:03 PM, bcsapper said:

It's like refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.  

And if no bakery in town, or the state or the region of the country will do it move.

Oh, but if you are worried about some foreigner's costume - make sure to pass a law against that because BIBLE.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

And if no bakery in town, or the state or the region of the country will do it move.

Oh, but if you are worried about some foreigner's costume - make sure to pass a law against that because BIBLE.

What bible?  What costume?

What's the difference between refusing to take a dog and refusing to bake a cake?

Let me guess!  Just one offends you, right?

Edited August 21, 2019 by bcsapper
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they are forced to bake a cake for a dog - Not Blaise Pascal

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

What bible?  What's the difference between refusing to take a dog and refusing to bake a cake?

Let me guess!  Just one offends you, right?

 

Big Mo's hate for dogs (and poets/musicians) is well known...something the angel Gabriel said about dogs and pictures...Gabe no-visit.

The dog's saliva is particularly...evil... 

[Michael Hardner]

43 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

What bible?  What costume?

What's the difference between refusing to take a dog and refusing to bake a cake?

Let me guess!  Just one offends you, right?

Difference ? Well, I don't think I would be personally insulted if somebody didn't accept my dog.

Neither one 'offends' me.  Are you offended ?

[Michael Hardner]

Quote

July 1997: A New Orleans taxi driver, Mahmoud Awad, got so incensed at his passenger, Sandi Dewdney, trying to bring a dog into the cab that he physically yanked her out of it by the arm while yelling "No dog, No dog, Get out, get out.

I guess we need to rename this thread 'Two decades ago in Islam'

IOW if a Muslim taxi driver did something insulting 22 years ago, it's NOT AT ALL A REACH to complain about it and tie it to Muslim immigration policy in Canada.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Difference ? Well, I don't think I would be personally insulted if somebody didn't accept my dog.

Neither one 'offends' me.  Are you offended ?

If you are disabled it means you don't get to ride.

So you do see a difference then?

I don't. Nor am I offended by either.   My view is given in the post you initially responded to.  Maybe try reading it.

Edited August 22, 2019 by bcsapper