Another sad reason to get rid of every pitbull.

[cybercoma]

Yeah but you can own a dog and not have to license it.

Not in New Brunswick you can't.

[Boges]

Not in New Brunswick you can't.

What are the penalties for not having on and are they regularly enforced?

[cybercoma]

They're a sort of thug accessory from what I can see.

Nice. That's a reasonable assessment.

[Michael Hardner]

Nice. That's a reasonable assessment.

That's the great thing about this issue - it's not about reason, it's pretty much pure emotion. Those dogs terrify me, so I don't want them around period.

[cybercoma]

Substitute "dogs" for any group of people and that's what your argument sounds like to me.

Edited April 28, 2014 by cybercoma

[Michael Hardner]

Substitute "dogs" for any group of people and that's what your argument sounds like to me.

Cyber... what is going on ? Do I even need to explain the fallacy in equating dogs to humans ?

[Michael Hardner]

Honestly, you seem to completely misunderstand my objective to base these discussions on foundational principles such as separation of religion...

[Boges]

Cyber... what is going on ? Do I even need to explain the fallacy in equating dogs to humans ?

I doubt it because then you'd be forced to reconcile that we don't forcibly breed human to exhibit certain predictable traits. Well maybe slaveowners did.

Edited April 28, 2014 by Boges

[Bryan]

Cyber... what is going on ? Do I even need to explain the fallacy in equating dogs to humans ?

It's the same thought process...

"we know that they are bad, because we read about them doing bad things."

"everybody knows that THEY are like"

"I don't want them around my children"

"keep them out of my neighborhood"

It's using confirmation bias to reinforce a preconceived stereotype.

[gunrutz]

A properly trained or improperly trained dog of any breed can be dangerous, if you ban pitbulls people will just move on to something else. I owned a wonderful lab/shepard cross that weighed in at a trim 160lbs, who was the worlds biggest baby and never hurt anyone, trained to be mean? A killer, easily, where do we stop blaiming the dogs, what breeds do we allow?

[Boges]

A killer, easily, where do we stop blaiming the dogs, what breeds do we allow?

People just don't seem to get it. There are traits bred into THESE dogs that make the more dangerous. So people should stop breeding THESE dogs.

You guys are acting like Pitt Bulls were created by God as they are.

[Bryan]

People report just about any dog bite as a pit bull. Most people couldn't pick one out of a lineup. Try it:

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Findthebull/findpitbull_v3.html

[Michael Hardner]

It's the same thought process...

"we know that they are bad, because we read about them doing bad things."

"everybody knows that THEY are like"

"I don't want them around my children"

"keep them out of my neighborhood"

It's using confirmation bias to reinforce a preconceived stereotype.

Interesting, but stereotyping dogs isn't harmful to the dogs. I'm not interested in addressing the root causes of the dogs' problems, I would rather they just not exist. Dogs don't have quite the same rights as people either.

[AngusThermopyle]

Man1 A lot of false information here about Pities. First of all they do not have locking jaws. No dog in existence has a locking jaw. These dogs are the most misunderstood dog out there. People forget that the Pitbull was Americas dog. Remember our gang (the Little Rascals)? Their dog Petey was a Pitie. The dog Nanny in Peter Pan was originally a Pitie. Sarge, the most decorated dog ever, he was a Pitie and literally saved thousands of men in WWI. They were not bred to fight each other or humans for that matter but were bred for Bull baiting. When Bull baiting was made illegal the owners started fighting them against each other. In fact, because they had to be handled they were bred with traits that made them docile and very obedient around people.

You should look up Bullet Proof Sam on Youtube. He's a dog that was rescued from a dog fighting ring. They gave him his name because he survived a great many fights. As a result his face is horribly disfigured and scarred. Since being rescued he has been treated and rehabilitated. Now he just loves to run and play and be around his people. This is basically the same story for many of these dogs who are rescued.

Next point, the brain pushing on the skull thing. That's a pile of BS, it does not happen, just a myth. What happens is that punks and thugs like these dogs and train them to be mean and vicious, something you can do with any dog. When you look at a list of dog attacks on people Pities don't even make the top five, Labs are number three on the list.

I've owned two Pities in the past and can say my girls were the best dogs I've ever owned. My neighbour at the time got himself a male Pitie and being a punk promptly proceeded to try and make him mean. I tried talking to him about it but he would just laugh and claim my dogs were not real Pities because they were so gentle and friendly. Its the punks and jerks, not the breed. Any dog can be a biter, some just are, that includes any breed. In the past we've seen bans on Dobies, then Rotties, now Pities. The douchebags just move on to the next breed when you ban a dog, they always have and always will.

I just wish people would educate themselves rather than just jump on the media fear bandwagon.

Oh yes, someone mentioned that people used to get them for their children, this is correct they were called the Nanny dog, hence the Peter Pan thing. Also don't forget that Cesare's main dog, Daddy is a Pitie. If you want more factual information on this breed please do some real research, or just ask me, I'll be happy to answer any questions and provide real, non biased links to resources.

[eyeball]

That's the great thing about this issue - it's not about reason, it's pretty much pure emotion. Those dogs terrify me, so I don't want them around period.

So much for extreme centrism.

[AngusThermopyle]

Well eyeball, when it comes to this issue just disregard Michael as he's plainly stated that facts don't interest him. Just his pure emotional perceptions. Hey Cyber, I didn't see what you already posted, hence the reason I basically reposted it. Did you know that Hellen Keller owned a Pitie?

[Bryan]

Interesting, but stereotyping dogs isn't harmful to the dogs. I'm not interested in addressing the root causes of the dogs' problems, I would rather they just not exist. Dogs don't have quite the same rights as people either.

I wouldn't argue that dogs have any rights. I'm just talking about the thought process involved in the demonization of these animals.

[Guest]

I gotta say I'd get rid of every last one of them. Then I'd bring in mandatory minimum sentences for anyone whose dog bit someone without provocation.

[Michael Hardner]

I wouldn't argue that dogs have any rights. I'm just talking about the thought process involved in the demonization of these animals.

Still not the same thing - I don't care if there are good examples of these dogs.

[Big Guy]

The most precious gift and responsibility that any adult can have is a baby. Any adult who allows any animal to be alone with a baby or toddler does not deserve that gift. Animals - all animals - have the possibility of becoming aggressive with a human child. Anyone who does not understand that fact and/or is prepared to take that "one chance in a million" has no right to have children and should be prevented from making that mistake.

[Bryan]

Those calling for an outright ban, which of these dogs would you include?

[Guest]

I would have every third one shot, as an example to the others.

Seriously though, those who enforced a ban on them wouldn't rely on me for ID.

Edited April 29, 2014 by bcsapper

[WestCoastRunner]

The most precious gift and responsibility that any adult can have is a baby. Any adult who allows any animal to be alone with a baby or toddler does not deserve that gift. Animals - all animals - have the possibility of becoming aggressive with a human child. Anyone who does not understand that fact and/or is prepared to take that "one chance in a million" has no right to have children and should be prevented from making that mistake.

No one should ever leave a young child alone with a dog or in close proximity to a dog. Just too much unpredictable behaviour. I agree with your statement. We are forgetting the victim in this case. It was a young toddler. While we wait for the courts to decide on these dogs, adults need to take more responsibility and remove the threat of this happening to young children.

[eyeball]

No one should ever leave a young child alone with a dog or in close proximity to a dog.

Especially a dog with a history of biting that had recently bitten another kid.

[Boges]

Again no acknowledgement of the evidence that Pitt Bulls exponentially cause more death then any other breed.

Just ignore it and say they're good dogs and tear down other breeds.