Jim Flaherty has died.

[On Guard for Thee]

 

How do you know? It's easy to be Finance Minister during boom times, especially when working for a prime minister who has no ambition to do anything. Jean Chretien only believed in spending money if it bought him votes, and since there was no political pressure from the right during most of his term he didn't bother to address any issues.

 

And Harper doesn't do exactly the same thing? What do you think this so called tough on crime bill is about? Spending our money to buy our votes.and BTW, there is a section in the charter which basically says you can't be punished twice for the same offense, which is what got in the way of the latest part of this bill.

[Argus]

   

And Harper doesn't do exactly the same thing? What do you think this so called tough on crime bill is about? Spending our money to buy our votes.and BTW, there is a section in the charter which basically says you can't be punished twice for the same offense, which is what got in the way of the latest part of this bill.

I have no idea what you're talking about. First, there is nothing about this law which impacts being punished twice for the same offense. Second, being tough on crime does not constitute buying votes in any way, shape or form.

[WestCoastRunner]

Second, being tough on crime does not constitute buying votes in any way, shape or form.

Sure it does, there is just no money exchanging hands.

[WWWTT]

The Tea Party doesn't want to increase military spending, and no one cut corporate taxes more than Martin. It's also important to note that Martin did in fact increase military spending by a very large amount once he was in the big chair.

Until they invade Iran, then it's a different story.

Also, the previous liberals cut military spending, so what did he do exactly? restore the spending, or increase to levels above the level when cuts were fist applied?

Same goes for corporate taxes and the loopholes.

Not to mention the holy grail of right wing politics, their biblical right to bear arms!

WWWTT

[On Guard for Thee]

I have no idea what you're talking about. First, there is nothing about this law which impacts being punished twice for the same offense. Second, being tough on crime does not constitute buying votes in any way, shape or form.

Pre trial custody time does not count towards time towards parole. The extra credit is meant to even that playing field.

[waldo]

and not a peep anywhere challenging the granting of a state funeral... contrast that with the rabid right-wing reaction to Layton's funeral!

[Smallc]

A month ago he would have had a state funeral automatically, so why would anyone say anything?

[waldo]

A month ago he would have had a state funeral automatically, so why would anyone say anything?

he wasn't a sitting member of the Ministry; accordingly, the granting was done at the discretion of the Prime Minister... as was the same case/circumstance for Jack Layton. Care to speak to the different reactions?

[guyser]

and not a peep anywhere challenging the granting of a state funeral... contrast that with the rabid right-wing reaction to Layton's funeral!

Yea no kidding

Went back and read that thread, plenty of low grade posters slamming Layton and the funeral, all dancing on graves.

But try that now....

[waldo]

not to forget the one-year anniversary thread that managed to re-cycle some of the best worst.

[Smallc]

I didn't have a different reaction.

[Shady]

he wasn't a sitting member of the Ministry; accordingly, the granting was done at the discretion of the Prime Minister... as was the same case/circumstance for Jack Layton. Care to speak to the different reactions?

I don't remember anyone suggesting that Layton shouldn't receive a state funeral. It was a bizarre funeral though.

[Shady]

Yea no kidding

Went back and read that thread, plenty of low grade posters slamming Layton and the funeral, all dancing on graves.

But try that now....

You should link it then.

[waldo]

I didn't have a different reaction.

of course... you... didn't. The intent of the comparison wasn't on you... personally.

[Shady]

of course... you... didn't. The intent of the comparison wasn't on you... personally.

Who didn't think Layton deserved a state funeral?

[waldo]

You should link it then.

stretch a bit... for one, try a search on "lionize / lionization / Saint Layton". Pay particular attention to a couple of those gem members you played out the conspiracy on what caused Layton's death... and, of course, it certainly was a fine time to drag up 'massagegate'. Yup, quite the (different) reaction.

[Shady]

stretch a bit... for one, try a search on "lionize / lionization / Saint Layton". Pay particular attention to a couple of those gem members you played out the conspiracy on what caused Layton's death... and, of course, it certainly was a fine time to drag up 'massagegate'. Yup, quite the (different) reaction.

Nope. Not a different reaction at all. Any of the other stuff was discussed afterwards, and certainly not the day of like Flaherty.

[Shady]

I'll ask again though. Who didn't think a state funeral was appropriate?

[Big Guy]

I believe that when you honour a person with a state funeral that you honour the government individual for his/her personal traits, dedication, service and personality. We are not honouring the philosophy or the achievements. We leave it to history to honour the legacy when time has a chance to prove the validity and importance of the decisions of that individual.

[waldo]

I'll ask again though. Who didn't think a state funeral was appropriate?

you've had 2 threads identified in recent posts; you've had keyword suggestion on how to find those threads with a search. You clearly want to be spoon-fed. You've previously had a challenge put to you in your latest status update... it remains there/active... you're simply ignoring it. Take up that challenge and I may be inclinded to give this, your repeated go-fetch request, some consideration.

[Michael Hardner]

I don't remember anyone suggesting that Layton shouldn't receive a state funeral. It was a bizarre funeral though.

In case there's any doubt:

Granting a state funeral was the appropriate thing to do.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/20558-here-we-go-again-tory-attacks-ads/page-2

[PIK]

The hate that comes from the left never ends. The man is dead and he put his life into public service, and he still can't get a break. How do people live with so much hate? You can disagree with the man but why hate him. I can't stand the young trudeau, but If I ever met him I would shake his hand and tell him how nice it was to meet him. But I will not spit in his eye ,dead or alive.

[Icebound]

I'll give him a break.

But I am less conciliatory to his Prime Minister, who, at this very moment, is turning a funeral eulogy into a campaign speech.

[guyser]

The hate that comes from the left never ends. The man is dead and he put his life into public service, and he still can't get a break. How do people live with so much hate? You can disagree with the man but why hate him. I can't stand the young trudeau, but If I ever met him I would shake his hand and tell him how nice it was to meet him. But I will not spit in his eye ,dead or alive.

I guess.....you could show where anyone has hate for the guy, but that would defeat such a drive by smear and render it nonsensical.

Naw....better to come on here and tell us what no one has done and look all righty and proud and stuff.

[waldo]

But I am less conciliatory to his Prime Minister, who, at this very moment, is turning a funeral eulogy into a campaign speech.

following up on the same earlier comparative reference, much was made of the supposed politicization intent behind the Layton 'letter'... in this case, Harper is skewing what should be an emphasis on Flaherty, the man, to instead make all too many overt politicized comments. The service isn't the appropriate venue to presume to trumpet a perceived legacy, one that many certainly won't agree with, either in its entirety or in part. In the past and in more recent days, I've had a sense of, and respect for, Flaherty's self makeup and how other's accepted him, beyond the machinations of politics. In this service, Harper went well beyond that to the point of a self-serving play to the audience/camera.