drummindiver Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 They aren't doing a difficult job. Why are you attacking Big Guy like that?
WestCoastRunner Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 Why are you attacking Big Guy like that? Big guy? I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 Big guy? I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Too f***..up for me. Edited December 21, 2015 by Michael Hardner profanity I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
eyeball Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) What statistics? What are you counting? Do you want to see all of the reports? If so, I would have to check with Greg about that because we treat the reports as private communication. I suppose we could inform you which posts have been reported and leave out the names of the members who reported them. I could care less myself but it appears the complaining about who complains the loudest or most is cause for even more complaining and I'm just curious about what the score really is and if knowing that would cut down on the number of complaints. I'm assuming all the people tugging at your sleeve every time they get their nose out of joint is a real PITA. I think the case has been made that reporting is the appropriate thing to do whenever you feel maligned because its beneficial for the betterment of the forum. The title Top Reporter next to your name would be like a badge of honour for those who like to report and make the forum a better place. If you were afraid of offending someone you'd be able to see if who you were replying to might be easily offended and post with the appropriate sensitivity. I've seen other forums are run by moderators who answer to so-called Punishers that answer to Punisher Leaders who in turn are accountable to Administrators. It just seems that something that allows for better self- regulating and policing without having run off to you would be a desirable thing. Edited December 21, 2015 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) All that said you could just tell us who in your professional opinion whines the loudest; those who swing clockwise or those who swing the other way? You should have enough of a sense of that after all these years to be able to set the record straight. Edited December 21, 2015 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 All that said you could just tell us who in your professional opinion whines the loudest; those who swing clockwise or those who swing the other way? You should have enough of a sense of that after all these years to be able to set the record straight. Of course they do. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
drummindiver Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Too f***..up for me. What don't you understand that you are using expletives like this? You make accusations of attacks that were ridiculous when I commented on your posts about female mods. Then you attacked Charles, stating that if he didn't agree and capitulate to your demands he had an issue. You disagreed with Big Guy. Obviously that means you were attacking him/sarcasm. Edited December 21, 2015 by Michael Hardner profanity
On Guard for Thee Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 So, you refuse to censor your pals on the left. Do you want me to name them? You allow racist comments, even after they have been reported. Unless of course it's from ppl on the right. Again, shall I name them. Clearly, as far as many on here can see, you need glasses that have lenses in both the left and right eyehole. Apparently racist comments are allowed. Ever take a look at where most of them come from?
Argus Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Posted December 21, 2015 Speaking generally, men hesitate to respond to posts by women. I have never seen any evidence of such a hesitation. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Apparently racist comments are allowed. Ever take a look at where most of them come from? I haven't seen an actual racist post on this forum in a very long time. Edited December 21, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 I apologize for recommending Jaycee. I did not think she would come under attack. I never once recommended myself although I found myself under attack. I apologize to Jaycee for this scrutiny. No problem. It would be difficult for me to moderate since I get kicked off so often, and moderators have to read offensive posts that I usually prefer to ignore. :-) .
jacee Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 I haven't seen an actual racist post on this forum in a very long time. It can be a more subtle thing ... like a thread title whining about downtrodden 'white people'. Lol
drummindiver Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 It can be a more subtle thing ... like a thread title whining about downtrodden 'white people'. Lol How about a pejorative term like "Whitey". Darky is suitable also, isn't it?
Argus Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) It can be a more subtle thing ... like a thread title whining about downtrodden 'white people'. Lol Subtlety is not something you apparently have much acquaintance with. The thread title of which you speak was itself intended as a blunt commentary on the paternalistic bigotry of liberals and progressives who insist on exempting non-Whites from the same sort of standards they expect of 'civilized' people. The very notion that native governments can't be expected to post their salaries and expenses for all to see like every other government because... because... well, they're JUST natives, is actually offensive to ME. Edited December 21, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Bonam Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 Bonam. And sure. Hah. Thanks for the recommendation but no thanks.
waldo Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 Who do you recommend? put me in coach!
Big Guy Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 We had a situation many years ago where there was an opening for a pricipalship at a particular school. The school in a very low income community had a long history of problems with the students, parents and especially the staff. The job was advertised. A good friend at that time had the capability, ruthlessness, dedication, experience and knowledge to be able to do that job. He also understood the problems and consequently did not apply for the position. His reputation was well known around the board. The hiring team interviewed 6 applicants and no candidate was chosen. The position was advertised again. Again 6 more candidates were interviewed with no one found appropriate. Finally my friend was approached by the head of the interview committee. He was asked why he did not apply and in detail described the problems in that school and the resources that were available and added he would be a fool to apply under those conditions. He was asked what was needed. He stated, "about 1 million in special technical support, the right to transfer certain teachers, bring a certain VP with him ...." and another 20 support mechanisms. He was asked to apply, was interviewed, offered assurances he would get his requests and offered the position. He accepted the position and did eventually turn that school around. Unfortunately, it cost him his health. The reason I used this example is that there are positions for which merely applying for it indicates that you do not understand the job and are therefore unqualified to do the job. The position of moderator here may be one of those. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Bonam Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 The reason I used this example is that there are positions for which merely applying for it indicates that you do not understand the job and are therefore unqualified to do the job. The position of moderator here may be one of those. I think it's simpler than that. Moderating a board adequately is considerably simpler than turning around a troubled school. But it is still a significant time investment if you want to do a good job. People's time isn't free, and intelligent people who can do a good job value their time.
Argus Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Posted December 21, 2015 I think it's simpler than that. Moderating a board adequately is considerably simpler than turning around a troubled school. But it is still a significant time investment if you want to do a good job. People's time isn't free, and intelligent people who can do a good job value their time. I don't frankly see how it could be all that time consuming given the number of regular posters and four/five moderators. And if you want to see the web side prosper it seems to be worth a little time investment. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 I don't think moderating is such an easy job, certainly not one I'd want to do. I'm happy with the moderation here, and don't think it matters if moderators also post; the only thing I'd suggest is that they not moderate discussions they're actively involved in.
Ike Softner Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 I see no problems with this forum. Apparently I'm a rebel. I kinda lIKE that label. Rebel Ike.
dialamah Posted December 21, 2015 Report Posted December 21, 2015 I don't frankly see how it could be all that time consuming given the number of regular posters and four/five moderators. And if you want to see the web side prosper it seems to be worth a little time investment. It's not quite 2 pm here today, and there's been over 200 posts from 20 posters. There are two active moderators, given that Greg doesn't seem to be around much from what I've seen. I do frankly see how it could be rather time consuming, and am surprised that the two moderators we have do as much as they do, and are here as much as they are. I'm not really interested in saddling volunteers with more work based on some sense of entitlement I have that they "owe" me a better forum. How about as posters if we want to see the web site prosper, we make a little more effort at moderating ourselves?
Argus Posted December 22, 2015 Author Report Posted December 22, 2015 It's not quite 2 pm here today, and there's been over 200 posts from 20 posters. But there isn't active moderation here. They don't check every post. They only respond to complaints. How many complaints will those 200 posts draw? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted December 22, 2015 Report Posted December 22, 2015 But there isn't active moderation here. They don't check every post. They only respond to complaints. How many complaints will those 200 posts draw?Are you sure they only respond to complaints? I've had posts of mine deleted and been given a warning point so quickly after I posted that I have doubts there was time for the post to be read, reported and responded to, so I think there is some pro-active moderation going on as well as the complaint-driven. Anyway, from the obvious signs of moderation I am aware of, I think you underestimate the behind-the-scenes activity.
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