Moderating Mapleafweb's Moderation

BC_chick · August 21, 2015

If I had to list the posters on this board from the most trollish to the least trollish, I don't think BC_2004 would even be in the top 5.

MG's post about trolls is pretty much how I define the word as well. It's the intentional usage of inflammatory material (even if they don't actually believe what they are saying), because their end goal is a perverted sense of reward from angering perfect strangers on the internet.

In that sense, I do think he's a troll.

Smallc · August 21, 2015

In that sense, I do think he's a troll.

In that sense, there are probably a lot of other trolls too.

Big Guy · August 21, 2015

Now who could you be referring to, one wonders?

I was hoping that by now you would have realized that I have no interest in your opinion or in debating you.

I will repeat - I am not interested in your opinion nor in debating you.

BC_chick · August 21, 2015

In that sense, there are probably a lot of other trolls too.

Perhaps we all get a small sense of satisfaction when a poster we don't like gets upset, but do you really think "a lot" of posters say things they know is pure caca *just* to get a rise of out people? I really don't think so. Most of the forum is pretty passionate about their beliefs.

bush_cheney2004 · August 21, 2015

Changed my mind and will try again.

Thank you for your response. I have no doubt that you have realized that you are the main focus of this topic....

....Congratulations on your 38,000 plus posts. I am not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing. I have only read what has transpired over my period of participation but it is obvious that your posts lead to negativity and thread drift. I assume that after 38,000 posts that you have realized this a while ago - yet - you continue. Why?

Ya think ? Your time here has been very short compared to many other esteemed members, so perhaps you do not have a complete or thorough understanding of why I or any other veteran member continues to contribute to this forum, regardless of post count. Member personas have been carefully cultivated and maintained for various reasons over the years. However, I am sure that if you desire, you too can join us someday in the Mapleleafweb Hall of Fame.

As another member articulated above, this forum is ultimately just another form of entertainment, and it is not a vehicle for me to attempt to change minds or opinions. However, it is the perfect storm of political, social, economic, and cultural discourse for a small sample size of Canadians with widely varying views, including the usual disdain and obsessions with the United States of America. I admit to being a sucker for lies, falsehoods, and spin provided by some (but not all) members...like fly swatting on a hot Mississippi day...always in good supply here.

...that's where I come in. Just think of me as the ugly American that you always like to talk about, except that I am in the room too. This is where the fun begins....and it never ends so long as other members keep the party going. You like a good party, right ?

Please let me express my sincere appreciation and thank you for your interest and focus on my MLW membership and posting behaviour. God (and moderators) willing, I look forward to many more years posting to this Canadian forum, even if it is hosted in Texas and uses a 'murican forum engine!

I hope this modest explanation answers your question(s). Have a great day!

bush_cheney2004 · August 21, 2015

In that sense, there are probably a lot of other trolls too.

Yes....apparently the standard is now set pretty low. Maybe these "trolls" need to unionize ? No matter....the mods seem to have a balanced perspective and know when to excise any troll "cancer".

waldo · August 21, 2015

As another member articulated above, this forum is ultimately just another form of entertainment, and it is not a vehicle for me to attempt to change minds or opinions.

your provided and presumed entertainment value has received a significant member 'body of weight' subjective assessment; an assessment that has long ago reached its best-before-date.

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...that's where I come in. Just think of me as the ugly American that you always like to talk about, except that I am in the room too. This is where the fun begins....and it never ends so long as other members keep the party going. You like a good party, right ?

what you project as 'fun'... and party going, is what the significant member 'body of weight' subjective assessment refers to as... trolling.

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No matter....the mods seem to have a balanced perspective and know when to excise any troll "cancer".

no - not the plurality of mods... there is only one board mod - one single mod. Of course, the perception of that significant member 'body of weight' is that the mod has not followed your declared path of a 'balanced trolling cancer excise". That is the point; the point you seek validation from... the point you seek cover from!

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Edited August 21, 2015 by waldo

kraychik · August 21, 2015

Ya think ? Your time here has been very short compared to many other esteemed members, so perhaps you do not have a complete or thorough understanding of why I or any other veteran member continues to contribute to this forum, regardless of post count. Member personas have been carefully cultivated and maintained for various reasons over the years. However, I am sure that if you desire, you too can join us someday in the Mapleleafweb Hall of Fame.

As another member articulated above, this forum is ultimately just another form of entertainment, and it is not a vehicle for me to attempt to change minds or opinions. However, it is the perfect storm of political, social, economic, and cultural discourse for a small sample size of Canadians with widely varying views, including the usual disdain and obsessions with the United States of America. I admit to being a sucker for lies, falsehoods, and spin provided by some (but not all) members...like fly swatting on a hot Mississippi day...always in good supply here.

...that's where I come in. Just think of me as the ugly American that you always like to talk about, except that I am in the room too. This is where the fun begins....and it never ends so long as other members keep the party going. You like a good party, right ?

Please let me express my sincere appreciation and thank you for your interest and focus on my MLW membership and posting behaviour. God (and moderators) willing, I look forward to many more years posting to this Canadian forum, even if it is hosted in Texas and uses a 'murican forum engine!

I hope this modest explanation answers your question(s). Have a great day!

Here we are, years later, and left-wingers are still trying to excise those they disagree with from MLW. It would be a lot simpler to simply ignore posts/posters one is uninterested is, but no.... the totalitarian impulse of left-wingers like Big Guy is to make you an unperson from the forum. So typical.

No member is forced to read or post in any forum topic, so participation is explicitly and absolutely voluntary, as is the decision to leave the forum if it does not measure up to a member's impeccable standards and expectations for other members or moderator policies and practices.

Bingo.

Edited August 21, 2015 by kraychik

waldo · August 21, 2015

Here we are, years later, and left-wingers are still trying to excise those they disagree with for MLW. It would be a lot simpler to simply ignore posts/posters one is uninterested is, but no.... the totalitarian impulse of left-wingers like Big Guy is to make you an unperson from the forum. So typical.

hey chief! That significant member 'body of weight' subjective assessment isn't isolated to only your left-wing nemesis! :lol: Thanks for playing.

Black Dog · August 21, 2015

what you project as 'fun'... and party going, is what the significant member 'body of weight' subjective assessment refers to as... trolling.

Indeed:that's as direct an admission of trolling as you'll find without someone saying "I'm totally trolling all of you for the lulz."

Big Guy · August 22, 2015

Ya think ?

... You like a good party, right ?

Please let me express my sincere appreciation and thank you for your interest and focus on my MLW membership and posting behaviour. God (and moderators) willing, I look forward to many more years posting to this Canadian forum, even if it is hosted in Texas and uses a 'murican forum engine!

I hope this modest explanation answers your question(s). Have a great day!

No it has not. You continue to take pleasure in irritating others - that is something that you have to deal with - I do not.

Obviously my comments have no effect on you so I will not waste any more time - yours and mine.

I would suggest that at some time you do ask yourself why you enjoy inflicting discomfort on others. It is not a healthy state of mind and certainly not something that one should be proud of.

Notwithstanding your suggestions as to how you would like to be seen, I see you as a very angry and troubled individual. Even your last post is flippant and dismissive - trying to re-establish some sense of relevance for your actions.

Good for you - That also probably makes you feel happy.

Although I wonder if you were really happy and well adjusted that you would spend so much of your time on an anonymous public access bulletin board attempting to gain some kind of artificial status through quantity of postings.

Feel free to respond and try to continue this discussion but I have had enough. I consider my time to be precious and have no intention of spending any more of it on this topic.

Live long and prosper.

bush_cheney2004 · August 22, 2015

No it has not. You continue to take pleasure in irritating others - that is something that you have to deal with - I do not.

Obviously my comments have no effect on you so I will not waste any more time - yours and mine.

Thank you for your kind consideration. I never invited your personal advice or wise nurturing...it is something you feel compelled to do. I hope you have time to do the things that bring you great joy and happiness.

I would suggest that at some time you do ask yourself why you enjoy inflicting discomfort on others. It is not a healthy state of mind and certainly not something that one should be proud of.

Thank you for those kind words. If exposing sanctimonious falsehoods and delusions to the discomfort of reality is not healthy, then I will surely be dead in short order.

Notwithstanding your suggestions as to how you would like to be seen, I see you as a very angry and troubled individual. Even your last post is flippant and dismissive - trying to re-establish some sense of relevance for your actions.

My sincerest apologies...you badgered me for answers to your pressing question(s) and my direct responses apparently do not meet with your satisfaction. I fear that I may never be worthy of your attention or further consideration. After all, I am but a poor American Negro lost and bewildered amongst Canada's finest minds.

Good for you - That also probably makes you feel happy.

Although I wonder if you were really happy and well adjusted that you would spend so much of your time on an anonymous public access bulletin board attempting to gain some kind of artificial status through quantity of postings.

We all have our reasons for posting here...I do not waste much time pondering or worrying about what motivates other members to do so. Perhaps, in time, you may find peace and forgive us who trespass on your expectations and judgements.

Feel free to respond and try to continue this discussion but I have had enough. I consider my time to be precious and have no intention of spending any more of it on this topic.

Live long and prosper.

Very well....my life is richer and more complete now that we have had a chance to clear the air and move forward with greater understanding of each other. Aloha nui loa.

Argus · August 22, 2015

I was hoping that by now you would have realized that I have no interest in your opinion or in debating you.

I will repeat - I am not interested in your opinion nor in debating you.

I am crying big tears, little guy... er, big boy, uhm, big giant head.. :lol:

kraychik · August 22, 2015

No it has not. You continue to take pleasure in irritating others - that is something that you have to deal with - I do not.

Obviously my comments have no effect on you so I will not waste any more time - yours and mine.

I would suggest that at some time you do ask yourself why you enjoy inflicting discomfort on others. It is not a healthy state of mind and certainly not something that one should be proud of.

Notwithstanding your suggestions as to how you would like to be seen, I see you as a very angry and troubled individual. Even your last post is flippant and dismissive - trying to re-establish some sense of relevance for your actions.

Good for you - That also probably makes you feel happy.

Although I wonder if you were really happy and well adjusted that you would spend so much of your time on an anonymous public access bulletin board attempting to gain some kind of artificial status through quantity of postings.

Feel free to respond and try to continue this discussion but I have had enough. I consider my time to be precious and have no intention of spending any more of it on this topic.

Live long and prosper.

Just curious - did you come to this subsection of the forum asking for disciplinary action to be taken by the forum moderator(s) against bush_cheney2004?

kraychik · August 22, 2015

Oh, you can use the term neocon but not if you use it to label/target/insult somebody. Unless somebody says "I am a neocon." then calling that person a neocon is either an insult and or a personal attack and or thread drift -- at best, it adds nothing but confusion.

MOD BIAS: I used to call myself a neocon but now, I can see quite clearly how it can be perceived-with-reason as a grave insult. That says nothing to whether or not I ever was a neocon or whether I actually am no longer.

I don't think a policy of silencing people for using a certain term based on the sentiment behind it makes for good moderation. Neo-conservatism is meaningful and relevant term in political discourse. That said, it's entirely possible that G Huxley is clueless as to what the term actually means as uses it as a euphemism for evil conspiratorial Jews who are part of the International Zionist Cabal (most people who use the term "neo-con" fall into that category) to take over the world.

I also think describing the term "neo-con" as a "grave insult" is quite dramatic.

G Huxley · August 22, 2015

Oh, you can use the term neocon but not if you use it to label/target/insult somebody. Unless somebody says "I am a neocon." then calling that person a neocon is either an insult and or a personal attack and or thread drift -- at best, it adds nothing but confusion.

MOD BIAS: I used to call myself a neocon but now, I can see quite clearly how it can be perceived-with-reason as a grave insult. That says nothing to whether or not I ever was a neocon or whether I actually am no longer. - Charles Anthony

I didn't call anyone a neocon yet my post was deleted. If the word neocon is offensive then it's because they've made such a bad name for themselves. And Charles Anthony I'm not in any way surprised that you once considered yourself a neocon.

This is seriously unreal. If we can't even use the term of a genuine political movement this is thought control and there is no way to express dissent. This is the opposite of democratic. This board is seriously more against freedom of thought/expression than a Harper rally with a gag order.

Edited August 22, 2015 by G Huxley

bush_cheney2004 · August 22, 2015

The term "neocon" is American in origin and history, so it really doesn't apply to Canadian politics anyway. Reject it as "American style".

G Huxley · August 22, 2015

Your username is American in origin thus using your logic you should be rejected and not able to post here.

kraychik · August 22, 2015

I didn't call anyone a neocon yet my post was deleted. If the word neocon is offensive then it's because they've made such a bad name for themselves. And Charles Anthony I'm not in any way surprised that you once considered yourself a neocon.

This is seriously unreal. If we can't even use the term of a genuine political movement this is thought control and there is no way to express dissent. This is the opposite of democratic. This board is seriously more against freedom of thought/expression than a Harper rally with a gag order.

This is rich, considering literally minutes ago you were praising a proposal to criminalize political speech across the country not approved by the government.

G Huxley · August 22, 2015

I didn't at all. I called for the restriction of funding for the mass dissemination of political propaganda by political parties.

Money is not speech. Your equation of money with speech is "rich."

Edited August 22, 2015 by G Huxley

bush_cheney2004 · August 22, 2015

Your username is American in origin thus using your logic you should be rejected and not able to post here.

Except that "here" is actually in America....Texas to be exact.

WestCoastRunner · August 22, 2015

Except that "here" is actually in America....Texas to be exact.

Yea, we know. You keep reminding us. Like we give a sh....t.

On Guard for Thee · August 22, 2015

Yea, we know. You keep reminding us. Like we give a sh....t.

Surprising given all that discussion about a particular troll recently.

kraychik · August 22, 2015

I didn't at all. I called for the restriction of funding for the mass dissemination of political propaganda by political parties.

Money is not speech. Your equation of money with speech is "rich."

Money (or resources, more accurately) is required to actually facilitate expression. So in a sense, yeah, money is speech. When Thomas Pain distributed "Common Sense", they used a printing press, which required paper, ink, machines, and people to operate the machines, and distribute them, and on and on the chain of economics goes. Freedom of expression is more than standing on the street corner and talking.

Sadly, millions of people across the country are willing slaves, as you are, to surrender freedom to masterminds in Ottawa to protect us from ourselves.

kraychik · August 22, 2015

I didn't at all. I called for the restriction of funding for the mass dissemination of political propaganda by political parties.

Money is not speech. Your equation of money with speech is "rich."

In your defense, you replied in a knee-jerk manner without reading the article. So yeah, you were speaking about limitations on direct donations to political parties which isn't at all what's being proposed by the former MPP that the article is discussing.