Hal 9000 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 Just more nonsense from Cameron. The teachers have voted on binding arbitration, and I'm willing to bet they'll be in strong support of it. The government has an opportunity here to end this thing, so of course they'll reject it in hopes of legislating them back to work. So, what does that mean? The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
WestCoastRunner Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 So, what does that mean? I don't believe we have any results yet. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hal 9000 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 I don't believe we have any results yet. Ok, so 99.4% in favour. So, what does it mean? The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
WestCoastRunner Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 Ok, so 99.4% in favour. So, what does it mean? do you have a link? I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Hal 9000 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 do you have a link? Sorry, there are no articles yet...Hence, no link. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
WestCoastRunner Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 Sorry, there are no articles yet...Hence, no link. Ok, I will wait for official announcements. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
sharkman Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Ok, so 99.4% in favour. So, what does it mean? You answered your own question there. The "in favour" part. I just predicted strong support of binding arbitration by the BCTF. I now predict a full court press by the government tomorrow in various media outlets, in full damage control. I also predict it won't work, because at this point of the dispute it's quite reasonable to consider binding arbitration, and the public can plainly see that. Edited September 11, 2014 by sharkman
TimG Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) I also predict it won't work, because at this point of the dispute it's quite reasonable to consider binding arbitration, and the public can plainly see that.This binding arbitration is nothing but any empty political gesture on the part of the BCTF. I would go further and say the fact that the BCTF has the nerve to call it a reasonable proposal simply shows them to be dishonest slime bags. You see binding arbitration only works if both parties have something to lose but the BCTF has proposed something where they have absolutely nothing to lose (either the get the government wage offer or something more). If they really wanted a negotiated end to the strike they would have included the class size issues. But they did not - they excluded those items because they know the offer was an empty gesture that no one with a brain would ever consider. The only way to end this is to legislate them back and let the court cases play out. Edited September 11, 2014 by TimG
Hal 9000 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 This binding arbitration is nothing but any empty political gesture on the part of the BCTF. I would go further and say the fact that the BCTF has the nerve to call it a reasonable proposal simply shows them to be dishonest slime bags. You see binding arbitration only works if both parties have something to lose but the BCTF has proposed something where they have absolutely nothing to lose (either the get the government wage offer or something more). If they really wanted a negotiated end to the strike they would have included the class size issues. But they did not - they excluded those items because they know the offer was an empty gesture that no one with a brain would ever consider. The only way to end this is to legislate them back and let the court cases play out. Exactly Tim. I can't believe so many people are this easily manipulated. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Bob Macadoo Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 Exactly Tim. I can't believe so many people are this easily manipulated. Well include the BC public I guess. According to an IPSOS-Reid poll nearly 60% say go to arbitration. What dummies huh?
sharkman Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 This binding arbitration is nothing but any empty political gesture on the part of the BCTF. I would go further and say the fact that the BCTF has the nerve to call it a reasonable proposal simply shows them to be dishonest slime bags. You see binding arbitration only works if both parties have something to lose but the BCTF has proposed something where they have absolutely nothing to lose (either the get the government wage offer or something more). If they really wanted a negotiated end to the strike they would have included the class size issues. But they did not - they excluded those items because they know the offer was an empty gesture that no one with a brain would ever consider. The only way to end this is to legislate them back and let the court cases play out. Oh please. Nothing to lose? I've not heard this nonsense before now, it sounds like a newly made up argument that the government would use in desperation only. A vote so strong, 99. whatever in favour must be shot down, I understand that, but you're going to have to come up with something at least believable.
Pct2017 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Oh please. Nothing to lose? I've not heard this nonsense before now, it sounds like a newly made up argument that the government would use in desperation only. A vote so strong, 99. whatever in favour must be shot down, I understand that, but you're going to have to come up with something at least believable. Just exactly what part is confusing you? It is obvious to all but the most ideologically blinded that the teachers wage and benefits package is going to be the same as all the other PSU's who have already signed. This can come via negotiations or legislation, but it will be thus. So, with that in mind, what risk would arbitration present to the teachers? Anything that is above the current offer that the arbitrator may present is an unexpected windfall for the teachers. Zero risk. As for the strength of the vote from the teachers, it is very much akin to taking a vote of third graders asking them if it should be sunny or rainy tomorrow. Would it surprise you if 99% of them said sunny and do you actually think that the outcome of their vote would actually affect whether is will be sunny or rainy tomorrow. Edited September 11, 2014 by Pct2017
Pct2017 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 Well include the BC public I guess. According to an IPSOS-Reid poll nearly 60% say go to arbitration. What dummies huh? Look, I get it that when you see a public opinion poll that seems to support your view of the world, you grasp it and hold it tight against your bosom, cherishing the feeling of warmth that it give you. But, in actual fact, there are two basic problems with polling in regards to this labour dispute. First, why would the duly elected government give a rats ass about the poll results? They were unexpectedly re-elected just over a year ago, and still have almost three years left until their next election. To put this into prospective, now is about the same timeline as the public furor regarding the HST in the Liberal's last mandate (about a year after the election). Did that cost them the next election? Then there is the slight problem of the poll reliability. On May 14, 2013, Ipsos Reid released the results of their final public opinion poll for the provincial election. NDP 45% and trending up. Liberals 37% with no change in trend. http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=6113 For those of you who do not live in BC, well the actual election results from later that same day were NDP 40%, Liberals 44%. So, no we do not put much faith in public opinion polls out here in the west.
overthere Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 I also predict it won't work, because at this point of the dispute it's quite reasonable to consider binding arbitration, and the public can plainly see that. Nope, nothing of the sort. Why would the govt risk binding arbitration, when all along they have stuck to their guns and said the BCTF will get what the province can afford, not what the teachers want? The arbitrator has no such restriction, they can choose either position. At least some of the public understands there is a limit to their own money. Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Wilber Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 Exactly Tim. I can't believe so many people are this easily manipulated. That's funny. Goes both ways you know. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
sharkman Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) I just heard now on the news that the government is now considering legislating the teachers back to work! These guys are so predictable it's funny. A week ago they flatly claimed it wasn't on the table, but since they've been outmaneuvered by the BCTF which has 60% of the public agreeing with binding arbitration, suddenly it's back on the table. Edited September 12, 2014 by sharkman
Bryan Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 It wasn't on the table at the time, because they were giving the BCTF time to be reasonable. Since they're not being reasonable, and the kids need to go to school, it time to change tactics. It doesn't have to be back to work legislation, it could just as easily be replacement workers -- you know, people who actually want the job.
Wilber Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 It does have to be legislation. The BCTF is the bargaining agent for the province's teachers, the government can't abitrarily change that without legislation. Even then, the court battles would go on for years with no guaranty the government would win. And if they lost, their present legal problems would be trivial in comparison. So, if they are going to legislate, do it. Don't let a half million kids twist in the wind for another three weeks. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Hal 9000 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 At this point, the teachers want to be legislated back to work. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
sharkman Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 Not sure about that, but it would give the court more evidence of the BC government's abuse of the BCTF as they deliberate the shredding of the legal contract back in 2002.
Wilber Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 Seems Iker, Cameron and Ready are meeting as we speak. Maybe sanity will prevail after all. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Hal 9000 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 Not sure about that, but it would give the court more evidence of the BC government's abuse of the BCTF as they deliberate the shredding of the legal contract back in 2002. Teachers all want to be considered "victims" of an oppressive regime. Being forced back to work would give them everything that they really want. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
socialist Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Posted September 12, 2014 Teachers all want to be considered "victims" of an oppressive regime. Being forced back to work would give them everything that they really want. They ARE victims of an oppressive regime. Have you ever read Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire. Never mind, you probably haven;t heard of Paulo Freire. It was fun watching the libs get played like a fiddle by the BCTF. Hopefully it shuts PCT up too. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Hal 9000 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 Fundamentally, nothing has changed with the teachers silly little vote. Iker pulled a fast one on some not too bright teachers and an unknowing public - that's all! If 60% of people and 99% of teachers want arbitration because they're so eager to get back to work, why would the gov't flip a coin when they can just legislate them back? That really should make everybody happy - right? Maybe that should be the next poll taken. It's not like anybody has ever expected the teachers to agree on something....or anything....with anybody! The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Pct2017 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Posted September 12, 2014 I just heard now on the news that the government is now considering legislating the teachers back to work! These guys are so predictable it's funny. A week ago they flatly claimed it wasn't on the table, but since they've been outmaneuvered by the BCTF which has 60% of the public agreeing with binding legislation, suddenly it's back on the table. You and a few others are putting a lot of emphasis on a poll which stated that 60% of the public supported binding arbitration. Have you wondered what the results would be if the same people were polled about a legislated end to the strike? Probably 60%. What about if they were asked about a negotiated end to the strike mediated by Vince Ready or anyone else. Wow - look at that - 60% in favour. This is definitely conjecture on my part, but I have to believe that the respondents to the poll were expressing their desire to get the teachers back teaching rather than the method used. I would hazard a guess that a great deal of the 60% could not summarize what arbitration actually means.
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