Wilber Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 Ticketing on a whole is class thing. People can often speed with impunity if they can pay the fine. Only to the point their license says goodbye. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bleeding heart Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 Well, some of them would, and doubtless are for it as we speak. There's that "progressive super-rich" cadre. But when it came down to it, I doubt it would take hold. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
The_Squid Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 Allowing law enforcement to write tickets will lead to many more people being assessed a fine and punished, when they would have simply been let go because of the hassle of taking someone to court over a small amount of pot. This is completely the wrong approach. It should be decriminalized or legalized. No tickets, no criminal convictions for such a ridiculous "crime"/ Quote
Boges Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 Decriminalization allows for ticketing. If something isn't "legal" then there has to be some penalty to using the product. Quote
The_Squid Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 Why not? Ticketing of all kinds are simply cash grabs, if you can charge people of a higher affluence more, then they become targets. Good. Maybe then the "right people" would be making it an issue and the government will actually listen. Plus it might be nice for the Mercedes and Prsche drivers to endure a few illegal searches once in a while like their less afluent neighbours... Quote
The_Squid Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 Decriminalization allows for ticketing. If something isn't "legal" then there has to be some penalty to using the product. Not quite... decriminalization generally means that it is not illegal and usually is limited to small amounts. Essentially, it is ignored. No fines. No criminal record. Legalization implies that it is regulated and taxed. What you are saying is that speeding is a decriminalized activity. Well, no... that's not true. It is illegal to speed. There are fines, etc. associated with getting caught. Quote
Wilber Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 Because something is decriminalized doesn't mean it is legal. It means it is no longer part of the criminal code. Speeding is not a crime, it is a misdemeanor. Impaired driving on the other hand, is a crime. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
The_Squid Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 Because something is decriminalized doesn't mean it is legal. It means it is no longer part of the criminal code. Speeding is not a crime, it is a misdemeanor. Impaired driving on the other hand, is a crime. OK... my analogy may not have been the best one... But when people talk about decriminalization, it is generally in the context of no penalties for small amounts. Quote
guyser Posted March 6, 2014 Report Posted March 6, 2014 In my neck of the woods, Norfolk County in Southern Ontario, the prime tobacco growing area of Canada, entrepreneurs are lining up to get into the action when pot finally becomes legalized. The consensus is that with what is happening in the USA that it is only a matter of time before growing marijuana becomes a major industry. There is money to be made here! http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2014/02/02/norfolk-braces-for-industrial-scale-marijuana-production Already happens here, and very very profitable. Once can even invest, the return so far is out of this world! (as in all costs are 1/6th of sales) Quote
PIK Posted March 7, 2014 Report Posted March 7, 2014 Does a fine make you feel better about yourself or something? I guess calling it a tax would offend some libertarian image you like to project. Most right wing conservatives are also very supportive of allowing corner stores to sell booze while also cutting taxes on it. Sound about right? I like the odd toke and I do not want it legal and I do not support corner stores. And yes we get screwed on the price because of imcompetance at the LCBO. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted March 7, 2014 Report Posted March 7, 2014 I And yes we get screwed on the price because of imcompetance at the LCBO.So very very wrong it borders on abject ignorance. Of course that wont stop you but should Quote
eyeball Posted March 8, 2014 Report Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) I like the odd toke and I do not want it legal. Thanks for the insight. If most right-wingers are as self-loathing as PIK it would probably explain why so many right-wing prescriptions for society seem weird to the point of alienness. I've always had a sense that some of the most fundamental problems with our political system is reflected in our country's treatment of drug use. One is the way in which the internalized self-oppression that minorities of Canadians (conservative one's in this case) suffer from can work it's way into public policies that can be imposed on and used to oppress everyone else. Misery loves company I guess. Edited March 8, 2014 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Michael Hardner Posted March 8, 2014 Report Posted March 8, 2014 I don't know if such a position can be described as self-loathing... and that starts to get into the area of insult IMO. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted March 8, 2014 Report Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Self-hatred (also called self-loathing) refers to an extreme dislike or hatred of oneself, or being angry at or even prejudiced against oneself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hatred I don't know how else to describe it. Do you? Edited March 8, 2014 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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