WestCoastRunner Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 So we're saying the women's issues do not exist then ? When a woman responds to issues that affect women and most of the respondents are men, there is a tendency to belittle their arguments and even label them as 'radical feminists', 'over-reacting', 'creating a distance between men and women' etc. Just take a look at the comments about women in the beauty pageant or some of the status update comments regarding women or the thread about 'Linda Griffith' or links to videos of violence toward women. Do the men on this forum think that women here have no feelings when our thoughts and reasoning are treated lightly or treated with disdain and we are ridiculed about womens issues. When I mentioned creating new categories for topics such as 'women in science and technology', my thought was that these type of subheadings and responses would be crawled by the search engines and in turn be discovered by women searching for topics such as 'women in technology' or 'women in politics'. I see no reason why this forum should not include more women. There are great topics being discussed and if we can attract women by whatever means, what is the harm in that? And it would be great to debate topics with other women on women's issues. Unless of course, this forum should be left to the men. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 They all exist in the mind of the individual. If you think that some issue is a women's issue, then it is - for you. If you think it is a men's issue, then it is - for you. To pre-empt that subjective evaluation by creating categories only displays a personal position. The point is and I think this is what most people here are missing, is that women cannot find this forum by searching on google etc unless we reach out to them with specific topics which must include headings that are directed towards women. That is the reality of search engines. This is nothing new. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 If they were looking for a post on Linda Griffith after she passed away they would see one here without any special forums. Why don't you just post on the topics that interest you, and see who responds? Quote
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 The point is and I think this is what most people here are missing, is that women cannot find this forum by searching on google etc unless we reach out to them with specific topics which must include headings that are directed towards women. That is the reality of search engines. This is nothing new. Agreed WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Bonam Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 The point is and I think this is what most people here are missing, is that women cannot find this forum by searching on google etc unless we reach out to them with specific topics which must include headings that are directed towards women. That is the reality of search engines. This is nothing new. Women cannot find this forum by searching on google? Do women looking for a Canadian political forum look for something other than a Canadian political forum? That's how I found this forum way back in the day... first result on google: https://www.google.com/search?q=canadian+political+forum&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Women cannot find this forum by searching on google? Do women looking for a Canadian political forum look for something other than a Canadian political forum? That's how I found this forum way back in the day... first result on google: https://www.google.com/search?q=canadian+political+forum&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb Why don't you try 'women in politics'. 'women in science and technology'. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jbg Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) Why don't you try 'women in politics'. 'women in science and technology'.How about combining them as "women in scientology"? (pun and joke intended) Edited September 25, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 The point is and I think this is what most people here are missing, is that women cannot find this forum by searching on google etc unless we reach out to them with specific topics which must include headings that are directed towards women. That is the reality of search engines. This is nothing new. I had not looked at it from that angle. Thanks for the explanation. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
cybercoma Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Is there a fashion heading? WWWTT That's not insulting at all. Quote
waldo Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 That's not insulting at all. nor is this: How about combining them as "women in scientology"? Quote
cybercoma Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Missed that when skimming. Thanks. Quote
Argus Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 That's not insulting at all. We definitely need a Shoe topic. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 That's not insulting at all. What's not insulting? That women have interests, or that fashion(s) is one of many interests that they have? Do you sincerely believe that mentioning one possible interest is insulting? Oh I get it, you thought that I was implying that fashion was women's ONLY interest. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
The_Squid Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 How are the current topic headings male oriented? They seem pretty gender-neutral to me. It seems to me that some people perceive that if it doesn't say "Women" in front of the topic that this is then somehow hostile to women. "Women in Politics", rather than simply "Politics". What's not insulting? That women have interests, or that fashion(s) is one of many interests that they have? Do you sincerely believe that mentioning one possible interest is insulting? Oh I get it, you thought that I was implying that fashion was women's ONLY interest. WWWTT Why was fashion the first topic that came to you that should be in a separate women's category? Quote
Big Guy Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 If the intent is to increase participation, I would suggest stronger enforcing anti-trolling rules, discourage personal attacks and encourage civil discourse. If a stranger happened upon this board and read some of the bitterness and accusations he/she would probably review their desire to share intelligent views with some of the posters. There is an atmosphere of confrontation, anger and negativity. Cheap shot artists who add nothing to any discussion are encouraged by administrators ignoring them. Personally, there are a few posters whose input I am enjoying and finding informative - so I continue here. They do not generally post often and if they leave I will be following them out the door. There are many electronic bulletin boards who present continuous personal attacks, name calling, trolling, insults et al. They still survive so there must be a market for them. This board can easily become one of them. WestCoastRunner has suggested a change that might encourage more new members – perhaps we should look at keeping them once they register. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WWWTT Posted September 25, 2014 Report Posted September 25, 2014 Why was fashion the first topic that came to you that should be in a separate women's category? Are you sure about that? Fertility issues. women's health and exercise, women's fashions/clothing/make up/fashion accesories/jewels. I'm sure there's a freekin ton of things! The best people to answer that question are women really, not me are other men. So I apologize if I may sound shallow to the other female members here. WWWTT Like I said before, I don't think a male poster should be the one deciding what are the best topics/subjects for females to debate/discuss or attract more female posters to this site. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
GostHacked Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 Agreed. I actually am able to talk to women in real life, so I'm sure I can on here. We already have a couple ladies that are active. And it seems (from what I can tell) they can hold their own. Most of the real big issues that affect us all, are really not gender specific. But that divide is used and the wedge driven between in order to distract from the real issues. Quote
jbg Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) nor is this:You quoted only this part: How about combining them as "women in scientology"?The entire post made clear I was kidding: How about combining them as "women in scientology"? (pun and joke intended)Quoting out of context is sinking pretty low. Surely you're better than that. Edited September 26, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 Quoting out of context is sinking pretty low. Surely you're better than that. be loud and proud over your insult! Why try to cover it by saying you were just "joking"? Surely you're better than that. Quote
jbg Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 be loud and proud over your insult! Why try to cover it by saying you were just "joking"? Surely you're better than that.I identified my remark as a pun right out of the box. You removed that identification. This illustrates yet again your inability to debate fairly. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 I identified my remark as a pun right out of the box. You removed that identification. This illustrates yet again your inability to debate fairly. huh! Insulting women in the guise of humour? Councillor, is that really a winning defense... is that really your defense? "I'm belittling you, but it's only humor. I don't really mean what I just said"... "can't you take a joke"! Quote
The_Squid Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 A simple pun is not belittling anyone... you're the Ezra Levant of the forum.... making something terrible out of absolutely nothing... give it a rest already. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 A simple pun is not belittling anyone... you're the Ezra Levant of the forum.... making something terrible out of absolutely nothing... give it a rest already. Now that was a hearty jab. Quote
jbg Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 A simple pun is not belittling anyone... you're the Ezra Levant of the forum.... making something terrible out of absolutely nothing... give it a rest already.Thank you. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 So this thread is going on ten months old. Any decision on changes? On anything new? On new topics? I think I'd like the one for cartoons on political and social issues for one... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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