ReeferMadness Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) .... from a bookcase. The three term representative said her Ruger semi-automatic handgun accidentally fired as she unloaded it while meeting with Representative Jeff Greer (D-Brandenburg). Does she make a practice of unloading her gun during meetings with other politicians? Maybe she'll start finding them too busy to meet with her in the future. Here's a quote that will make you feel better about all of the guns floating around in the US. I'm a gun owner. It happens. Only in the gun nut capital of the world. Is she one of the "responsible gun owners" that the NRA spends so much time excusing? Edited January 9, 2014 by ReeferMadness Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
waldo Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 Only in the gun nut capital of the world. Is she one of the "responsible gun owners" that the NRA spends so much time excusing? "It's an automatic," Combs said. "I need to stick with revolvers." I do believe we could have some real fun with this thread... let me start the engines! Quote
Spiderfish Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Dangerous and improper use of firearms by inexperienced and intoxicated people just doesn't seem that amusing to me... Edited January 9, 2014 by Spiderfish Quote
Guest Derek L Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 Dangerous and improper use of firearms by inexperienced and intoxicated people just doesn't seem that amusing to me... In this case, it appears to be a negligent discharge…….Doubly so in some respects, for as reported the gun is a Ruger semi-auto (I’d assume either the SR9 or SR40) which both has a very heavy trigger pull and of all things, a visual & tactile loaded chamber indicator……..Of course a responsible firearm owner would never rely solely on such features and manually and visually clear and inspect the chamber. Quote
Spiderfish Posted January 9, 2014 Report Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) In this case, it appears to be a negligent discharge…… Agreed. I was referring to the goofy "stupid Americans" video unrelated to the topic. Edited January 9, 2014 by Spiderfish Quote
Shady Posted January 10, 2014 Report Posted January 10, 2014 What a waste of a thread. Maybe the moderators can delete it. Quote
BubberMiley Posted January 10, 2014 Report Posted January 10, 2014 Maybe the moderators can delete it.Too bad there wasn't a recent prominent gun tragedy. You could then try and shut down any such discussion by saying that it's an inappropriate time to politicize the gun debate. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
kimmy Posted January 10, 2014 Report Posted January 10, 2014 Regarding the "Firearms Fails" video: Most of those are examples of recklessness or sheer stupidity, of course. The one in which the guy is knocked backward into a chair, however, is not a "firearms fail". I've seen that one before, it was from a video demonstrating a round called the ".577 Tyrannosaur". It's a round designed for safari guides to use as a last resort to protect clients from dangerous animals. It's one of the most powerful small-arms cartridges in the world, and is too much gun for most shooters, as the video shows. The guy in the video was shooting in safe, controlled conditions with proper stance and proper hearing protection. About 10 guys try shooting the 577 Tyrannosaur in the video, with about the same result: knockbacks, sore shoulders, and laughter. It's not a "fail", it's just what happens when you shoot a gun with that much recoil. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
ReeferMadness Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Posted January 10, 2014 What a waste of a thread. Maybe the moderators can delete it. Or you could just move along and find a thread more to your liking. Maybe you just don't like it when right wing yokels look stupid. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
bleeding heart Posted January 10, 2014 Report Posted January 10, 2014 Well, we don't know who was "right wing" and who wasn't. Plenty of liberals are gun owners. We do know that (Kimmy's interesting point aside) most of the scenarios involve improper handling....some of them fairly benign, some of them profoundly dangerous and idiotic. The wannabe thug in his mom's basement, the crotchety old moron with the gun in his book,,,,these yokels are crazily irresponsible. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Guest Derek L Posted January 10, 2014 Report Posted January 10, 2014 Well, we don't know who was "right wing" and who wasn't. Plenty of liberals are gun owners. We do know that (Kimmy's interesting point aside) most of the scenarios involve improper handling....some of them fairly benign, some of them profoundly dangerous and idiotic. The wannabe thug in his mom's basement, the crotchety old moron with the gun in his book,,,,these yokels are crazily irresponsible. Well said, and from the information available, this story can be put in the idiotic handling column…….Simply put, this is the failure on the individuals part in following the four golden rules in the safe handling of firearms……. Literally the safe movement of action is as follows: - Thumb on right hand depresses mag release to drop mag out - Left hand pulls slide back well right hand holds gun, with trigger finger outside of the trigger guard. -Right hand tilts gun so eyes can visually inspect the chamber is empty -Gun is safe Takes all of about 10 seconds. Quote
bleeding heart Posted January 10, 2014 Report Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Then there we go. Easy and effective. Edited January 10, 2014 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Spiderfish Posted January 10, 2014 Report Posted January 10, 2014 What a waste of a thread. Maybe the moderators can delete it. I've already been given a warning for contributing to it. This whole thread is off-topic as it mainly revolves around a stupid American and "right wing yokel" bashing video and subsequent responses unrelated to the op but apparently certain off topic contributions are okay and some are not. Quote
jacee Posted January 10, 2014 Report Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) /guns-child-deaths-more-than-cancer/ In 2010, 15,576 children and teenagers were injured by firearms three times more than the number of U.S. soldiers injured in the war in Afghanistan, according to the defense fund. Nationally, guns still kill twice as many children and young people than cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine. I think there's a very good reason for this thread. http://www.kidscancerfight.org/index.php/about-us Where's the fundraising for kids' gun injuries and deaths? Maybe here ... More than 29,000 children under age 19 died from gunshots from 2001 to 2010, the authors noted. http://www.parentsagainstgunviolence.com/category/statistics/ 29,000 kids !!! . Edited January 10, 2014 by jacee Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Posted January 11, 2014 Well, we don't know who was "right wing" and who wasn't. Plenty of liberals are gun owners. In Kentucky, I doubt there are plenty of liberals, gun owners or not. We do know that (Kimmy's interesting point aside) most of the scenarios involve improper handling....some of them fairly benign, some of them profoundly dangerous and idiotic. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing this. Lots of people do stupid things some of the time. Some people do stupid things lots of the time. Here's the issue. If this goofy politician was doing something stupid with, say, a stapler, the worst that will happen is a minor injury. But she did a stupid thing with a firearm and it's only good luck that someone didn't wind up wearing the bullet. When you have people walking around armed all the time, the odds of this kind of thing happening go up. And the irony is that people justify the carry laws by citing personal safety. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Posted January 11, 2014 /guns-child-deaths-more-than-cancer/ In 2010, 15,576 children and teenagers were injured by firearms three times more than the number of U.S. soldiers injured in the war in Afghanistan, according to the defense fund. Nationally, guns still kill twice as many children and young people than cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine. I think there's a very good reason for this thread. http://www.kidscancerfight.org/index.php/about-us Where's the fundraising for kids' gun injuries and deaths? Maybe here ... More than 29,000 children under age 19 died from gunshots from 2001 to 2010, the authors noted. http://www.parentsagainstgunviolence.com/category/statistics/ 29,000 kids !!! . Hey, it's a small price to pay for the freedom to carry firearms. Right, gun freaks???? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Shady Posted January 11, 2014 Report Posted January 11, 2014 In Kentucky, I doubt there are plenty of liberals, gun owners or not. Actually there are. But again, your preconcieved stereotypes get in the way. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted January 11, 2014 Report Posted January 11, 2014 In Kentucky, I doubt there are plenty of liberals, gun owners or not. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing this. Lots of people do stupid things some of the time. Some people do stupid things lots of the time. Here's the issue. If this goofy politician was doing something stupid with, say, a stapler, the worst that will happen is a minor injury. But she did a stupid thing with a firearm and it's only good luck that someone didn't wind up wearing the bullet. When you have people walking around armed all the time, the odds of this kind of thing happening go up. And the irony is that people justify the carry laws by citing personal safety. One slight correction…….the right to personal safety……As recently ruled by an Obama appointed Federal Judge: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/06/us/chicago-gun-ban/ "The stark reality facing the City each year is thousands of shooting victims and hundreds of murders committed with a gun. But on the other side of this case is another feature of government: certain fundamental rights are protected by the Constitution, put outside government's reach, including the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense under the Second Amendment," wrote U.S. District Judge Edmond Chang. No irony at all. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted January 11, 2014 Report Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) /guns-child-deaths-more-than-cancer/ In 2010, 15,576 children and teenagers were injured by firearms three times more than the number of U.S. soldiers injured in the war in Afghanistan, according to the defense fund. Nationally, guns still kill twice as many children and young people than cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine. I think there's a very good reason for this thread. http://www.kidscancerfight.org/index.php/about-us Where's the fundraising for kids' gun injuries and deaths? Maybe here ... More than 29,000 children under age 19 died from gunshots from 2001 to 2010, the authors noted. http://www.parentsagainstgunviolence.com/category/statistics/ 29,000 kids !!! . Now irony would be reading this above post, by a member with an avatar of a elderly lady holding a SxS shotgun.......Now that's not only ironic, but rather quite funny in my view. Edited January 11, 2014 by Derek L Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 11, 2014 Report Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Hey, it's a small price to pay for the freedom to carry firearms. Right, gun freaks???? A lot more die from abortions, right...abortion freaks ? And unlike abortions, the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. Edited January 11, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Derek L Posted January 11, 2014 Report Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) A lot more die from abortions, right...abortion freaks ? And unlike abortions, the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. And not to mention, self administered, retroactive abortions seem a cause for concern: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pub/youth_suicide.html Suicide (i.e., taking one's own life) is a serious public health problem that affects even young people. For youth between the ages of 10 and 24, suicide is the third leading cause of death. It results in approximately 4600 lives lost each year. The top three methods used in suicides of young people include firearm (45%), suffocation (40%), and poisoning (8%). Deaths from youth suicide are only part of the problem. More young people survive suicide attempts than actually die. A nationwide survey of youth in grades 9–12 in public and private schools in the United States (U.S.) found that 16% of students reported seriously considering suicide, 13% reported creating a plan, and 8% reporting trying to take their own life in the 12 months preceding the survey. Each year, approximately 157,000 youth between the ages of 10 and 24 receive medical care for self-inflicted injuries at Emergency Departments across the U.S. To me, mental health issues that contribute to successful suicides and self inflicted injures amongst “the children” would appear to be a cause of concern…….regardless of method used, fore clearly that is not treating the underlying issue.........fore it would seem more children kill themselves each year (with guns) then kids killed by others (with guns) I’m sure the same could be said about youth violence. Edited January 11, 2014 by Derek L Quote
ReeferMadness Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Posted January 11, 2014 A lot more die from abortions, right...abortion freaks ? And unlike abortions, the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution. I'm sure your comment would be relevant somewhere to someone at some time. Just not to me, in this thread or in this context. Good try, though. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Posted January 11, 2014 And not to mention, self administered, retroactive abortions seem a cause for concern: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pub/youth_suicide.html To me, mental health issues that contribute to successful suicides and self inflicted injures amongst “the children” would appear to be a cause of concern…….regardless of method used, fore clearly that is not treating the underlying issue.........fore it would seem more children kill themselves each year (with guns) then kids killed by others (with guns) I’m sure the same could be said about youth violence. Atta' boy. Give us a few more talking points from the NRA. Guns don't kill kids. Mentally unstable kids kill kids. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Posted January 11, 2014 Now irony would be reading this above post, by a member with an avatar of a elderly lady holding a SxS shotgun.......Now that's not only ironic, but rather quite funny in my view. hahahahaha gun nut humour. makes me laugh until tears roll down by face. really. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
jacee Posted January 11, 2014 Report Posted January 11, 2014 Now irony would be reading this above post, by a member with an avatar of a elderly lady holding a SxS shotgun.......Now that's not only ironic, but rather quite funny in my view.You are quite right. Of course no one's getting hurt by a metaphorical picture. Quote
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