US coverup of Saudi gov officials sponsoring 9/11 hijackers

[Michael Hardner]

Even with multiple military exercises going on that day, they could not get their stuff together to get some fighters out in time to thwart the attack.

The systems in place were set up to prevent against attack from without. The standard practice for hijacked jetliners was to let the hijacker land the plane, not to shoot it out of the sky. AQ exploited a weakness in the plan.

[GostHacked]

The systems in place were set up to prevent against attack from without. The standard practice for hijacked jetliners was to let the hijacker land the plane, not to shoot it out of the sky. AQ exploited a weakness in the plan.

The weakness in the plan was that Bush somehow ignored the report a month or so earlier indicating that Al-Queda (more specifically Osama) was about to attack the US. They had warnings from US and German intelligence. Other intelligence agencies picked up on the chatter. Russia had even given US some warnings a day or so before.

I recall people in the Bush admin saying they could not imagine planes being flown into buildings before the attack. However one of the exercises that day dealt with multiple aircraft hijackings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Guardian

On page 17 of the 9/11 Commission Report when Boston center calls NEADS (Northeast Air Defense Sector), the response from NEADS was "is this real world or exercise?". According to the 9/11 Commission's staff statement No. 17,[1] for instance, page 26 of the Commission's final report documents FAA's report of a "phantom flight 11" at 9:21,[2] 35 minutes after the real flight 11 crashed into the WTC and even longer after the war games are alleged to have been aborted. However, General Ralph Eberhart told the 9/11 Commission “it took about 30 seconds” to make the adjustment to the real-world situation (note 116 to chapter 1).

The Vigilant Guardian war game was discussed in chapter 1, footnote 116 of the 9/11 Commission Report:

"On 9/11, NORAD was scheduled to conduct a military exercise, Vigilant Guardian, which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union. We investigated whether military preparations for the large-scale exercise compromised the military's response to the real-world terrorist attack on 9/11. According to General Eberhart, "it took about 30 seconds" to make the adjustment to the real-world situation. Ralph Eberhart testimony, June 17, 2004. We found that the response was, if anything, expedited by the increased number of staff at the sectors and at NORAD because of the scheduled exercise. See Robert Marr interview (Jan. 23, 2004)."

The following is a list of all the operations being carried out on September 11 by the military:

1. OPERATION NORTHERN VIGILANCE: This was planned months in advance of 9/11; On the morning of 9/11, where military resources were sent to Alaska in response to Russian military exercises. .[3]

2. BIOWARFARE EXERCISE TRIPOD II: Rudolph Giuliani made referenced to Tripod 2 in his testimony to the 9/11 Commission. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) arrived in New York on September 10 to set up a command post located at Pier 29 under the auspices of a 'biowarfare exercise scheduled for September 12. This explains why Tom Kenney of FEMA's National Urban Search and Rescue Team, told Dan Rather of CBS News that FEMA had arrived in New York on the night of September 10. Giuliani was to use this post as a command post on 9/11 after he evacuated WTC Building 7. "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse," Rudolph Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News.[4]

3. OPERATION VIGILANT GUARDIAN: This exercise simulated hijacked planes in the north eastern sector. Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, was overseeing the exercise. At 8:40am she took a call from Boston Center which said it had a hijacked airliner. Her first words, as quoted by Newhouse News Service were, "It must be part of the exercise".[5][not in citation given]

4. OPERATION NORTHERN GUARDIAN: The details of this exercise are still scant but it is considered to be part of Vigilant Guardian, relating to simulating hijacked planes in the north eastern sector.[citation needed]

5. OPERATION VIGILANT WARRIOR: This was referenced in Richard Clarke's book 'Against All Enemies'. It is thought to have been the 'attack' component of the Vigilant Guardian exercise.[6][better source needed]

[Michael Hardner]

It's presumptuous to say he ignored it. Obviously the system failed, but we'll never know exactly why. I would imagine they get a lot of threats.

[Argus]

It's best not to reply to anything Argus posts about American politics. He's off the charts ignorant.

I'm not sure what's more amusing, you claiming someone else is ignorant, or you claiming some other poster should be ignored.

I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb and suggest that if you aren't on more ignore lists than anyone else you're a close second.

[Argus]

Actually, the 2003 invasion of Iraq went quite well...it was the extended occupation and pacification that was problematic.

You're aware they almost ran out of ammunition, right? Your idiot defense secretary overruled the generals on how many troops should be used, and how much ammunition and supplies they ought to have available. Had the Iraqis been just a little better organized or their troops just a bit more eager to fight the US would have had to retreat.

[DogOnPorch]

You're aware they almost ran out of ammunition, right? Your idiot defense secretary overruled the generals on how many troops should be used, and how much ammunition and supplies they ought to have available. Had the Iraqis been just a little better organized or their troops just a bit more eager to fight the US would have had to retreat.

Highly unlikely seeing the US history re: retreat. See Guadalcanal. No ammo...no food...no gas...no air cover...yet still an island full of dead Japanese.

[bush_cheney2004]

You're aware they almost ran out of ammunition, right? Your idiot defense secretary overruled the generals on how many troops should be used, and how much ammunition and supplies they ought to have available. Had the Iraqis been just a little better organized or their troops just a bit more eager to fight the US would have had to retreat.

Oh sure they did...."almost" ran out of ammunition, cruise missiles, JP-5/8, directed attack munitions, MREs, and porn. Iraq would have defeated the United States and United Kingdom and gone on to rule the Mideast. All hail Saddam ! Oh...wait...he's dead.

With such rampant alternate reality thinking, it is no wonder that Truthers can find soft minds to believe in their nonsense.

Edited December 22, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest Derek L]

You're aware they almost ran out of ammunition, right? Your idiot defense secretary overruled the generals on how many troops should be used, and how much ammunition and supplies they ought to have available. Had the Iraqis been just a little better organized or their troops just a bit more eager to fight the US would have had to retreat.

How many troops should have been used during the occupation post-war reconstruction phase……..Of course Geopolitical realities with their own Kurdish population wouldn’t enable the Turks to green light the 4th Infantry Division’s use of their homeland as a springboard into Northern Iraq……..and as historic, though not able to participate in the initial invasion, they were used as follow-on forces and were used extensively in Northern Iraq…..about a month late…….

And almost forgot, played a critical role in providing Force Protection to the Rangers and Delta Force during operation Red Dawn:

FYI....the guy on the ground didn't win.

Edited December 22, 2013 by Derek L

[waldo]

FYI....the guy on the ground didn't win.

ah yes... of course you'd pull out that spidey-hole pic! Did Iraqi civilians/refugees...... win?

[Guest Derek L]

ah yes... of course you'd pull out that spidey-hole pic! Did Iraqi civilians/refugees...... win?

You bet!

[waldo]

You bet!

[Argus]

Highly unlikely seeing the US history re: retreat. See Guadalcanal. No ammo...no food...no gas...no air cover...yet still an island full of dead Japanese.

The US also lost 7,000 men on Guadalcanal. They did not run out of ammo there, though they were quite short at times.

Donald Rumseld fired several generals who dared to protest that he was moving too fast, didn't want to use what they considered sufficient troops, and didn't have enough logistical support in place. He was impatient to get the job done quickly for political reasons and didn't give a damn about the dangers. It wasn't like HE was going to be there during the fighting, after all.

[DogOnPorch]

The US also lost 7,000 men on Guadalcanal. They did not run out of ammo there, though they were quite short at times.

Donald Rumseld fired several generals who dared to protest that he was moving too fast, didn't want to use what they considered sufficient troops, and didn't have enough logistical support in place. He was impatient to get the job done quickly for political reasons and didn't give a damn about the dangers. It wasn't like HE was going to be there during the fighting, after all.

Yes...unlike the rank and file Arab, the Japanese soldier was something to be reckoned with.

[waldo]

ah yes, Rummy! Some of his related best:

"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time"

"The message is that there are no "knowns." There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know"

"I can't tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that."

[Moonlight Graham]

It's presumptuous to say he ignored it. Obviously the system failed, but we'll never know exactly why. I would imagine they get a lot of threats.

They get a lot of threats, but not all them have previous blown up US embassies or US Navy destroyer ships.

[dre]

It's presumptuous to say he ignored it. Obviously the system failed, but we'll never know exactly why. I would imagine they get a lot of threats.

Bush wasnt very interested in terrorism, and never made it a priority. He demoted the Counter-terrorism Security Group and removed their cabinet level access. Its not just the "system" that failed. The Bush administration did not take the threat of terrorism seriously.

[bud]

I just don't see it. It doesn't make sense. Why, by this news article, half the Saudi government was involved, which seems... unlikely in the extreme.

they've funded the al quaeda in syria and iraq. they've killed thousands of civilians through terrorism in those countries. in syria, the saudi funded al quaeda is killing the moderate rebels and any non-sunnis in syria, including syrian christians. they were also behind the iranian embassy bombing in lebanon which is an act of terrorism.

[Rue]

This is to add to Michael H and Ghost on whether Bush ignored terrorist warnings.

I have read some interesting stuff pretty much inferring what Ghost was referring to and that was there was

substantial chatter of a terror attack coming.

Now what I personally think having worked in government and with sensitive information is that governments

if I may generalize are wonderfully inefficient. We are compartmentalized and each unit remarkably has no idea

what the next is doing.

If you look at the US it has a remarkable amount of separately functioning intelligence agencies who do not share

intelligence and often work at cross purposes. Allies and informants for the CIA for example may work contrary to

what DEA and Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms would like. We see CIA allies smuggling drugs for guns.

The military intelligence branches do not trust the civilian ones, the Treasury and Secret Service work on their own, Homeland

Security often works at cross purposes to local police.

Its the nature of intelligence, informants, jurisdictional conflict.

I think there is a lot of chaos in a country the size of the US between agencies when information comes in. I think its loud,

rapid fire, and people have to decide, do we react or stay calm because reaction could cause worse harm then staying cool.

I personally think someone said stay the course, and they were caught and there was not so much a conspiracy as a panic reaction after the fact by government units trying to cover up their mistakes to save their jobs.

Did 9-11 create a new understanding as to manage all these agencies in a more unified manner? Who knows.

All I know from reading journals is that it appears Chaney and Rumsfeld who pretty much ran security for Bush openly had contempt for their own US Armed Forces Intelligence Network. We know this because Chaney brought in a private army to Iraq of Haliburton

mercenaries that outnumbered the US armed forces and were paid far much more money and the US Armed Forces were regulated to the danger jobs while the Haliburton army did what ever it wanted operating outside the law.

Chaney and Rumsfeld openly told the US Joint Chiefs of Staff to phack off when they were told not to use the US Army as a police force in Iraq and to get them out no later than 6 month of entry.

It was US officers who risked their own profession to blow the lid on CIA contractors.

I think if anything Bush's handlers under-estimated their good friend Saudi Arabia was funding terrorists that would come back to haunt the US. I really believe Bush felt the Saudi family was their friend. Its not an accident the entire Ben Laden family was sent back to Saudi Arabia right after the attack to protect them.

I personally think Ben Laden worked outside Saudi authority and was out of control. He tried to be a CIA operative and was rejected.

The Taliban or Mujahadeen as they were called when fighting Russia wanted nothing to do with him when he tried to pose as a broker to the US and its weapons.

Ironically this Taliban did not trust or like Laden. To get stuck baby sitting him was I do not think their intention.

I met some of these Mujahadeen that came to Canada as refugees. Basically mountain people. No words. Did not want to be in

Canada. Basically fundamental Muslims living in their own world and not interested in the West or Russia or anyone.

They did control the opium industry. Were they vicious. Yep. But this is a country where men rape boys and no one says a thing.

This is country where women are raped and beaten.

This is a country where you break a law, you get your head cut off.

You want civility Western style. No.

This is a country of warriors, the only ones to be able to beat back Ghurkas the best fighting force in the world pound per pound.

These are people born in rock mountains and freezing temperatures and go days without water or food.

I think Bush's exposure to the Arab world was through the oil network. Rumsfeld and Chaney got this idea there were huge lithium deposits they could mine plus a great place to put an oil pipeline and thought it would be a peace of cake to conquer ignoring military history and their on military intelligence.

I think they played into the hands of Russia and Iran.

In regards to the specific 9-11 attack, those of us who study terrorism knew Osama Ben Laden had access to engineers,

architects, operatives on the ground in the US working as sleeper cells observing how government worked, how security on the ground worked, how airports worked.

I think its easy in hindsight to blame governments. I also think if we all knew how incompetent governments are with their lack of unity and compartmentalized chaos and confusion we would realize the word intelligence and government are not synonomous.

[GostHacked]

The compartmentalization is beneficial to the US military and is done on purpose. It's how many of their secret projects get done. Area 51 for example where F-117s operated out of. It also works against them because no one knows what everyone else is doing. Many officials in government cannot even begin to look into some of these projects because of the compartmentalization and secrecy surrounding those projects. It can also be beneficial to a small group who want to hijack things for their own means. The intelligence services failed to connect the dots, or they have and are not really telling anyone about it.

Now if they had gotten wind of this specific attack before hand, I would be able to give Bush and Cheney credit for stopping the attack. With all those exercises going on that day, switching to real world, there were a lot of military and civilian entities on hand. So if they prepped for the attacks to stop it by going through these exercises and actually managed to prevent the event, they would get treated like heroes instead of criminals.

[GostHacked]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RlRSPpdCnw

Some interesting footage I had not seen yet.