Shady Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 Kind of like what we get now, but the people who get the redistribution are different. Some favour corps, some favour the people. That makes sense if you abandon all critical thinking. It makes a great bumper sticker though! Quote
TimG Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) It was stolen from dedicated WSIB accounts and put into general revenues. If it wasn't needed for WSIB, it should have been returned to workers via reductions in premiums, expansion of benefits, etc.Says who? EI is a tax. It makes no difference if a "fund" is set up because the government is on the hook for any shortfalls. That means any surpluses belong to the government and the choice to keep the money or cut taxes (a.k.a. premiums) is the same for every type of tax. You are just whining because you don't like the types of taxes that the Liberals choose to raise but unless you want to claim that all taxation is theft then you have no basis for your claim that keeping EI premiums high represents a theft. Edited December 10, 2013 by TimG Quote
cybercoma Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 Says who? EI is a tax.No it is not. It's a required insurance. Just like automative PL/PD. Quote
jacee Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 Says who? EI is a tax. It makes no difference if a "fund" is set up because the government is on the hook for any shortfalls. That means any surpluses belong to the government and the choice to keep the money or cut taxes (a.k.a. premiums) is the same for every type of tax. You are just whining because you don't like the types of taxes that the Liberals choose to raise but unless you want to claim that all taxation is theft then you have no basis for your claim that keeping EI premiums high represents a theft.Let's get back to the topic of Harper's economic record ... The point I made is that Harper's no genius: He inherited a surplus that included billions scooped from EI premiums, and he ran the surplus into a hole.. Quote
Jimmy Wilson Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 Actually, a Canadian PM with a majority has far more real political power than any "president". Very true... Andrew Coyne is famous for saying that we are rapidly becoming a presidential system without the checks and balances of a presidential system... Not good... Quote "Neo-conservativism,I think,is really the aggrandizement of selfishness.It's about me,only me,and after that,me.It's about only investing in things that produce a huge profit for yourself.It's NOT about society as a whole and it tends to be very insensitive to those people,who for one reason or another,have fallen beneath the poverty line and it's engaged in presumptions that these people are all poor because they are lazy.Neo-conservatives believe that fundamentally..." Senator Hugh Segal
Boges Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 Very true... Andrew Coyne is famous for saying that we are rapidly becoming a presidential system without the checks and balances of a presidential system... Not good... Rapidly? Didn't we have this exact same system under Chretien? Quote
Jimmy Wilson Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 Rapidly? Didn't we have this exact same system under Chretien? I believe when Coyne talk of this he's talking about the conglomeration of powers in the PMO.This started under Pierre Trudeau and has increased and accelerated in successive administrations. The Harper Government*,with it's obvious penchant for control has taken it to the extreme and made that decent more rapid... Quote "Neo-conservativism,I think,is really the aggrandizement of selfishness.It's about me,only me,and after that,me.It's about only investing in things that produce a huge profit for yourself.It's NOT about society as a whole and it tends to be very insensitive to those people,who for one reason or another,have fallen beneath the poverty line and it's engaged in presumptions that these people are all poor because they are lazy.Neo-conservatives believe that fundamentally..." Senator Hugh Segal
jbg Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 Rapidly? Didn't we have this exact same system under Chretien? Or Mulroney. Or Trudeau. Or portions of Diefenbaker's mandate. And St. Laurent's mandate. And most importantly, King's mandate. Same old same old. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Accountability Now Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 Let's get back to the topic of Harper's economic record ... The point I made is that Harper's no genius: He inherited a surplus that included billions scooped from EI premiums, and he ran the surplus into a hole. . Apparently you are the one that's not quite the genius as you don't quite understand the effects of the global financial crisis or you just choose to ignore it. Quote
Boges Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 Apparently you are the one that's not quite the genius as you don't quite understand the effects of the global financial crisis or you just choose to ignore it. It's not ignored when people advocate for continued increased spending. People want their cake and eat it too. People also conveniently ignore the Surpluses the CPC inherited was built on the backs of reduced transfers to the provinces via Paul Martin in the 90's. Quote
Accountability Now Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 It's not ignored when people advocate for continued increased spending. People want their cake and eat it too. People also conveniently ignore the Surpluses the CPC inherited was built on the backs of reduced transfers to the provinces via Paul Martin in the 90's. Yes that is true too. I have said it before....all you need to do is look at the years those Liberal surpluses happened and compared them to the US (you know...our largest trading partner) and see that even they had surpluses for 4 years. Since 1940 they have had 12 years of surpluses...with four in a row starting in 1998....right around the same time the Liberal got their surplus going. Needless to say...it was good times for all! Quote
jacee Posted December 11, 2013 Report Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) Apparently you are the one that's not quite the genius as you don't quite understand the effects of the global financial crisis or you just choose to ignore it.Excuses excuses. Every PM has one. Harper's no different than the Liberals that way. Edited December 11, 2013 by jacee Quote
cybercoma Posted December 11, 2013 Report Posted December 11, 2013 Rapidly? Didn't we have this exact same system under Chretien?And it was no less of a problem then either. Look at what happened with him. He ended up showing us his balls at a hearing. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 11, 2013 Report Posted December 11, 2013 Apparently you are the one that's not quite the genius as you don't quite understand the effects of the global financial crisis or you just choose to ignore it.Who was Prime Minister during the Dot Com Bust? And how did we fare financially then? Quote
Accountability Now Posted December 11, 2013 Report Posted December 11, 2013 Who was Prime Minister during the Dot Com Bust? And how did we fare financially then? The Dot Com Bust was a speed bump compared to the Global Financial crisis. If you want proof then just look at the exchange rates from 1995 to 2010. The Dot Com bubble roughly started in 1997 and ended in 2000. The exchange before that time was about 1.3. The exchange at the peak of the bubble was 1.54 and at the end was 1.44 for a brief stint and stayed even higher for the next few years. The Dot Com bust saw the exchange rate come back to where it was before the bubble (if not a bit higher). It stayed around 1.4 until 2003 when the Energy crisis hit and the US dollar started to drop. Canada maintained a strong economy even though the exchange started to lose grip because the oil prices were high. The exchange dropped all the way down to par in 2008 which meant Canadian exports especially in manufacturing were hurting. The Energy crisis also ended meaning high oil prices could not carry the economy and our manufacturing in Ontario still suffered because the dollar was at par. Bottom line is that we are an exporting nation that depends highly on what is happening with our exporting partners (largely the US). Its extremely foolish to brag about a Liberal surplus and to criticize a Conservative deficit that really had nothing to do with either party. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 11, 2013 Report Posted December 11, 2013 Bottom line is that we are an exporting nation that depends highly on what is happening with our exporting partners (largely the US). Its extremely foolish to brag about a Liberal surplus and to criticize a Conservative deficit that really had nothing to do with either party. An exporting nation where Harper allowed our exporting industries to fold. Oh, except for oil, since that's in his backyard. We have a Prime Minister that doesn't give a crap about Canada as a whole. Quote
Accountability Now Posted December 11, 2013 Report Posted December 11, 2013 (edited) An exporting nation where Harper allowed our exporting industries to fold. Oh, except for oil, since that's in his backyard. We have a Prime Minister that doesn't give a crap about Canada as a whole. ROTFL.....yes Cyber....Harper orchestrated a dollar at par which hurt the other exports. He also created the Energy crisis. It had nothing to do with the US or antyhing else happening in the world! You are too much! Did I forget to tell you that we sell oil in USD therefore having a strong dollar actually hurts us. Edited December 11, 2013 by Accountability Now Quote
jbg Posted December 11, 2013 Report Posted December 11, 2013 An exporting nation where Harper allowed our exporting industries to fold. Oh, except for oil, since that's in his backyard. We have a Prime Minister that doesn't give a crap about Canada as a whole. NAFTA was a largely bipartisan creation and was largely responsible. Remember, the 1988 election was a referendum on CAFTA, NAFTA's predecessor. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
PIK Posted December 12, 2013 Report Posted December 12, 2013 It's not ignored when people advocate for continued increased spending. People want their cake and eat it too. People also conveniently ignore the Surpluses the CPC inherited was built on the backs of reduced transfers to the provinces via Paul Martin in the 90's. And the UI fund which the libs said the CPC were using for the surplus. That little slip told us they did it, and then tried to blame the CPC.lol Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted December 12, 2013 Report Posted December 12, 2013 An exporting nation where Harper allowed our exporting industries to fold. Oh, except for oil, since that's in his backyard. We have a Prime Minister that doesn't give a crap about Canada as a whole. Cyber, alot of canadian manufactoring came out of ONT, thanks to the LIBERAL PARTY OF ONTARIO it has disappeared, to the point of 330,000 people lost their jobs in 10 yrs, all over the green energy act. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Black Dog Posted December 12, 2013 Report Posted December 12, 2013 Cyber, alot of canadian manufactoring came out of ONT, thanks to the LIBERAL PARTY OF ONTARIO it has disappeared, to the point of 330,000 people lost their jobs in 10 yrs, all over the green energy act. The Green Energy Act is so powerful it was causing job loses 5 years before it passed. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted December 12, 2013 Report Posted December 12, 2013 The Green Energy Act is so powerful it was causing job loses 5 years before it passed. Black Dog - regardless, it's really, really bad here in Ontario. Electricity is one of the main cost-drivers for business. Manufacturers (and others) have been operating on very thin margins - so the huge, totally unnecessary spike in electricity costs has forced businesses to either lay off workers, shut down completely - or move out of the Province......and the ruin that McGuinty/Wynne have thrust on us cannot be undone easily - if at all. Quote Back to Basics
PIK Posted December 12, 2013 Report Posted December 12, 2013 The Green Energy Act is so powerful it was causing job loses 5 years before it passed. [/quote} Give or take, but you know what I meant. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
g_bambino Posted December 12, 2013 Report Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) An exporting nation where Harper allowed our exporting industries to fold. Allowed? How would he have stopped it? Augment the salaries of manufacturing employees in Mexico, China, Bangladesh, and the like so their wages would be the same as their Canadian counterparts', thereby eliminating the cost benefit to companies of moving manufacturing to Mexico, China, Bangladesh, and the like? [ed.: c/e] Edited December 12, 2013 by g_bambino Quote
cybercoma Posted December 12, 2013 Report Posted December 12, 2013 Allowed? How would he have stopped it? Augment the salaries of manufacturing employees in Mexico, China, Bangladesh, and the like so their wages would be the same as their Canadian counterparts', thereby eliminating the cost benefit to companies of moving manufacturing to Mexico, China, Bangladesh, and the like? [ed.: c/e] If only there were some other way to put a value on the disparity between wages in foreign countries and ours. Quote
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