2015 Federal Election Prediction

[waldo]

Once again, the global recession started Q4 2007.

so what? Canada was late to the party... and was "midly" impacted.

[monty16]

If Harper was to win another majority then I fear that Canadians would lose the opportunity to stop the march toward US style government.

The US took the wrong turn in the road with the stealing of the election by Bush2 and now even a Democrat party victory would be the start of little meaningful change. Their politics has moved so far to the right that even the insanity of the teabaggers could be seen as normal now.

Canadians must be vigilant in order to stop Harper's destruction of everything we have left as being Canadian. Chiefly, our health care system is in danger. They hardly even bother to deny that their aim is a two-tier system that would be the foot in the door to their agenda of discrimination against people with less resources.

Allow them to make it higher quality for the wealthy and lower quality for the poor and we will have lost much of what we hold so dear.

And that's only one of their ambitions!

[cybercoma]

Once again, the global recession started Q4 2007.

Which is why they thought it was a great idea to slash revenues through their TFSA idea. Excellent governing. Encourage people to save money when the economy has tanked.

[Smallc]

We only knew about the recession in hindsight.

[Keepitsimple]

Canadians must be vigilant in order to stop Harper's destruction of everything we have left as being Canadian. Chiefly, our health care system is in danger. They hardly even bother to deny that their aim is a two-tier system that would be the foot in the door to their agenda of discrimination against people with less resources.

Allow them to make it higher quality for the wealthy and lower quality for the poor and we will have lost much of what we hold so dear.

And that's only one of their ambitions!

LOL Monty - you're fighting the wrong enemy.....pop over to Europe - France, Germany, etc. They've had private alternatives and user fees for decades - and they just laugh at the fact we can't even talk about private alternatives in Canada - even though they exist already.....because dupes like you start screaming "two-tier" medicine. Monty....how about giving us a post about how private medicine alternatives have ruined European healthcare? Monty - get your head out of the sand!

[monty16]

LOL Monty - you're fighting the wrong enemy.....pop over to Europe - France, Germany, etc. They've had private alternatives and user fees for decades - and they just laugh at the fact we can't even talk about private alternatives in Canada - even though they exist already.....because dupes like you start screaming "two-tier" medicine. Monty....how about giving us a post about how private medicine alternatives have ruined European healthcare? Monty - get your head out of the sand!

Calling me a dupe is a personal attack and I've reported it.

In Europe, and indeed the rest of the world there is a totally different mindset at play. There's literally no possibility that they will eve choose a corrupted system that is anything like the US system. But in Canada there appears to be a sick mindset of being accepting to a system where the wealthy get better care than the poor.

Is that what you're advocating? Because a two-tier system can't mean anything else as far as I know. Would you like to explain what it means to you? And would you like to give us all some examples of some European two-tier system. Not just saying that it is, telling us what it consists of?

then we'll have an idea of what you are hoping to turn Canada's system into.

Edited June 29, 2014 by monty16

[On Guard for Thee]

LOL Monty - you're fighting the wrong enemy.....pop over to Europe - France, Germany, etc. They've had private alternatives and user fees for decades - and they just laugh at the fact we can't even talk about private alternatives in Canada - even though they exist already.....because dupes like you start screaming "two-tier" medicine. Monty....how about giving us a post about how private medicine alternatives have ruined European healthcare? Monty - get your head out of the sand!

http://medicare.ca/main/the-facts/the-myth-of-the-european-model

[Keepitsimple]

http://medicare.ca/main/the-facts/the-myth-of-the-european-model

Once again - you should research your own links. Your link doesn't say who sponsors the website but if you look way down in the bottom left corner - you'll see a tiny little "Canadian Health Coalition". After googling them - guess who they are. Unions and more unions - and a couple of public healthcare advocates. Take a look at the Board of Directors - almost all Union big shots. Do you seriously think that Unions would advocate for even a tiny bit of private medicine? With Unions, it's about union dues, influence and power. So much for a balanced discussion.

Edited June 29, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[On Guard for Thee]

Once again - you should research your own links. Your link doesn't say who sponsors the website but if you look way down in the bottom left corner - you'll see a tiny little "Canadian Health Coalition". After googling them - guess who they are. Unions and more unions - and a couple of public healthcare advocates. Take a look at the Board of Directors - almost all Union big shots. Do you seriously think that Unions would advocate for even a tiny bit of private medicine? With Unions, it's about union dues, influence and power. So much for a balanced discussion.

Ah, so your approach is to shoot the messenger. And to hell with the stats.Sure unions wish to maintain their positions. I'd rather do that than inflate the ledgers of of already rich insurance companys. Not everything has to be done on a for profit basis, and health care is cedrtainly one of them. As is education. Take a look at the US education system!

[Keepitsimple]

Calling me a dupe is a personal attack and I've reported it.

In Europe, and indeed the rest of the world there is a totally different mindset at play. There's literally no possibility that they will eve choose a corrupted system that is anything like the US system. But in Canada there appears to be a sick mindset of being accepting to a system where the wealthy get better care than the poor.

Is that what you're advocating? Because a two-tier system can't mean anything else as far as I know. Would you like to explain what it means to you? And would you like to give us all some examples of some European two-tier system. Not just saying that it is, telling us what it consists of?

then we'll have an idea of what you are hoping to turn Canada's system into.

First of all - I hope you know what a dupe is - it's someone who is naïve and simply follows what others tell him. Your post is pretty disjointed. You seem to agree with me that the European systems are something that we should give serious consideration - at least look at what works for them - and what doesn't. Their healthcare approach differs from country to country but there seem to be some good ideas that have been implemented. That's what I am advocating - seriously look and evaluate. The only people who advocate for US style medicine and their pursuit of the almighty dollar are the scare-mongerers who simply will not accept any discussion that falls outside of the public system......and therein lies the reason that I referred to you as a dupe.

Edited June 29, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[Keepitsimple]

Ah, so your approach is to shoot the messenger. And to hell with the stats.Sure unions wish to maintain their positions. I'd rather do that than inflate the ledgers of of already rich insurance companys. Not everything has to be done on a for profit basis, and health care is cedrtainly one of them. As is education. Take a look at the US education system!

It's not shooting the messenger - it's a pragmatic observation of reality. Would you believe all the stats that would come from those advocating introducing some form of private healthcare? You certainly don't think that Enbridge was giving you the straight goods. So why do you put so much faith in stats coming from the Unions?

What is so wrong with openly examining some of the European systems - what works and what doesn't work....and having an honest discussion? Seriously, what's wrong with that?

Edited June 29, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[On Guard for Thee]

It's not shooting the messenger - it's a pragmatic observation of reality. Would you believe all the stats that would come from those advocating introducing some form of private healthcare? You certainly don't think that Enbridge was giving you the straight goods. So why do you put so much faith in stats coming from the Unions?

What is so wrong with openly examining some of the European systems - what works and what doesn't work....and having an honest discussion? Seriously, what's wrong with that?

Socialized health care has existed in Canada since the early 60"s so the stats are traceable. No such thing available from Enbridge on Norther Gateway and it seems the goods they are trying to convince us of are not so "straight". although they do have a record to reflect on, such as the Kalamazoo.

[-1=e^ipi]

If Harper was to win another majority then I fear that Canadians would lose the opportunity to stop the march toward US style government.

Isn't that what people said about the last election, and the election before that, etc.?

Canadians must be vigilant in order to stop Harper's destruction of everything we have left as being Canadian. Chiefly, our health care system is in danger.

Yes cause European health care systems are so bad... Germany and Switzerland clearly perform much worse than us in terms of health care. *sarcasm*

The Canadian Health Care system sucks, and so does the US Health Care system. Unfortunately, a large segment of the population has deluded themselves into this false dichotomy that those are the only two options.

They hardly even bother to deny that their aim is a two-tier system that would be the foot in the door to their agenda of discrimination against people with less resources.

The market for cars discriminates against people with less resources. The market for movies discriminates against people with less resources. The market for housing discriminates against people with less resources. The market for smart phones discriminates against people with less resources. Should those markets be run by the government as well?

[Keepitsimple]

Socialized health care has existed in Canada since the early 60"s so the stats are traceable. No such thing available from Enbridge on Norther Gateway and it seems the goods they are trying to convince us of are not so "straight". although they do have a record to reflect on, such as the Kalamazoo.

You didn't answer my question.....What is so wrong with openly examining some of the European systems - what works and what doesn't work....and having an honest discussion? Seriously, what's wrong with that?

[waldo]

if only the guy so determined to discuss 2-tier healthcare would either create an appropriate new thread... or find an existing one. While doing so, perhaps the guy could put up some analysis/study that speaks to the European systems he's so hot for... fully differentiating the rankings the related European countries receive for their healthcare systems... as in providing a clear delineation between the public/private makeup, and how the respective rankings were assigned based on both public/private components. Member Michael Hardner (in some thread?) earlier provided a WHO ranking for France as #1... but this is from a dated 2000 review... and has been much criticized.

if the guy so determined to discuss 2-tier healthcare is going to so readily dismiss a 'friends of medicare' reference to the 'European myth of 2-tier healthcare'... he should put up something he interprets as bias free. Seems Simple to me... if only the guy could/would do so... in an appropriate thread.

[Keepitsimple]

Waldo - you must have missed Monty's outrageous post a page or two back that deserved at least some attention.

Canadians must be vigilant in order to stop Harper's destruction of everything we have left as being Canadian. Chiefly, our health care system is in danger. They hardly even bother to deny that their aim is a two-tier system that would be the foot in the door to their agenda of discrimination against people with less resources.

I think I've made it clear that I do not have the answers - and neither does any individual European country. What they do have in common is that they are not ideologically opposed to having private partners play a role in delivering Healthcare. I simply advocate calmly and objectively looking at several of those countries and evaluate what has worked for them, what hasn't, and whether any of the successful "pieces" could be applied in some fashion to our own "Made in Canada" model.

Make sense?

Edited June 29, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[stateofpsychosis]

it would be incredibly naive to think that either the NDP or liberals have even a remote chance of winning on their own right now. mulcair has turned off a lot of left wing voters and he doesn't have the star power trudeau has... so what's going to happen is that the left wing vote is going to be even more split than last time meaning our numbers for either party aren't even going to come close to beating the conservatives sadly. Think about it.. do you think that mulcair can bring as much support to the party as jack layton did. no, and you'd be foolish to think he could. Since the NDP and liberal votes are going to even out more we're going to loose by even more this time unless we finally stop this bickering and work together in a coalition. seriously, there's more we agree on that we could work together for than disagree on. it's downright immature to still be putting the benefit of our individual parties winning over the interests of our entire country. It's so much more important that we get harper out of office right now that I'm mad ass hell that our left wing parties are still too immature to work together. get it together! Most of your entire voter base is going to be disenfranchised if you don't get your act together before this next election. how much more can we take? honestly

[stateofpsychosis]

I predicted the same exact thing the last time except it was a majority conservative government instead of a minority... so even worse than I predicted.

I hope the reality sinks in for the rest of us

the vote split is a real problem.

As long as the conservative/reform party is combined and we're divided... we'll just keep on loosing. it would take a bloody miracle to win otherwise.

[Topaz]

When one looks at Harper's cabinet he has more MP's from Ontario than any other province....so its up to Ontario to decide...most in the GTA. There are many Tories that are retiring, probably they don't want to pay more on their pensions or just don't agree with some of the views of the PM, which is natural with any PM. I wonder how many voters look at the leader before thinking of their own region MP to vote for?? Just watch how much money goes to the GTA after the surplus is made.

[Rue]

Once Trudeau has to talk in more detail about substantial issues his image will change. He's being handled in a bubble right now but eventually he has to come out of the buble.

I think he is a lightweight intellectually.

All Harper has to do is stay boring, and let the NDP and Liberals split the support that is anti Tory and he should in theory be able slip up the middle with a minority. Harper will avoid dealing with the BC pipeline issue, the F35 purchase, until after he's re-elected.

For Liberals to get in as a minority is quite possible but I just can't see one of these 3 parties collapsing to allow the majority.

The NDP is where it is because the Liberals collapsed. They absorbed liberal votes. Those liberals will go back to Trudeau and we will get a 3 way split more evenly which favours the Tories.

I believe the NDP will do well in Quebec.

[Boges]

The Sun is really starting to bang the drum on a Carbon Tax.

JT will have to eventually answer definitively if he'll do a Carbon Tax and how he'll implement it. If not the CPC will be able to write the narrative for him.

[carepov]

it would be incredibly naive to think that either the NDP or liberals have even a remote chance of winning on their own right now. mulcair has turned off a lot of left wing voters and he doesn't have the star power trudeau has... so what's going to happen is that the left wing vote is going to be even more split than last time meaning our numbers for either party aren't even going to come close to beating the conservatives sadly. Think about it.. do you think that mulcair can bring as much support to the party as jack layton did. no, and you'd be foolish to think he could. Since the NDP and liberal votes are going to even out more we're going to loose by even more this time unless we finally stop this bickering and work together in a coalition. seriously, there's more we agree on that we could work together for than disagree on. it's downright immature to still be putting the benefit of our individual parties winning over the interests of our entire country. It's so much more important that we get harper out of office right now that I'm mad ass hell that our left wing parties are still too immature to work together. get it together! Most of your entire voter base is going to be disenfranchised if you don't get your act together before this next election. how much more can we take? honestly

I predicted the same exact thing the last time except it was a majority conservative government instead of a minority... so even worse than I predicted.

I hope the reality sinks in for the rest of us

the vote split is a real problem.

As long as the conservative/reform party is combined and we're divided... we'll just keep on loosing. it would take a bloody miracle to win otherwise.

Who's this "we" that you refer to?

I am most likely a liberal voter. An NDP/Liberal merger would instantly change me into a CPC voter. I suspect that there are enough Canadians like me to secure a CPC majority if the NDP/Liberals merge.

You are wasting your breath with this merger talk. The lesson of the 2008 Parliamentary Dispute was this: It won't work.

[Topaz]

I think JT may have new voters in the next election since the state of Washington is the second state to allow pot to be sold there. Now the move out in B.C is to get it legal here.

[Derek 2.0]

I think JT may have new voters in the next election since the state of Washington is the second state to allow pot to be sold there. Now the move out in B.C is to get it legal here.

Not quite yet.......

[On Guard for Thee]

Not yet. Because we have to wait for 2015.