jacee Posted November 2, 2013 Report Posted November 2, 2013 Harper does what he does for the public eye. He wanted to say "I have called in the RCMP to investigate this issue!" while self-righteously thumping the podium. I don't think he expects anything to actually come of the investigation, not, at least, of the alleged bribery. Well they are. . Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Isn't it fun watching the same people who got apoplectic with rage over Liberal misdeeds now twist themselves into pretzels defending the guy who came in to clean up Ottawa. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Isn't it fun watching the same people who got apoplectic with rage over Liberal misdeeds now twist themselves into pretzels defending the guy who came in to clean up Ottawa. Some of us see a difference between jaywalking and murder... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Harper's speech did everything I expected it would. It displayed his arrogance, showed he still takes absolutely no responsibility for the scandal that emenated from his office, and certainly went nowhere as far as "changing the channel". So come next question period Tom and Justin will be able in all likelihood to take over from exactly where they left off. All that money spent on a convention will go up in smoke. Quote
August1991 Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) I know you cherish your absolutes, but it's 2 years to the next election, and the senate crap will have died down by then. Argus, you and I both know that this is an Internet forum so of course I cherish absolutes. Otherwise, what's a heaven for? I tend to agree with you that the election is two years away and all that. But it remains that it will be difficult for Harper to make his numbers go north. He has 3 voters in 10 simply because these 3 hate the alternatives. But to win, he has to move 1 more voter into his column. (To be more accurate, he has to move voters in Ontario ridings to his side.) Time will tell, but I reckon that Harper is damaged goods. Unlike Mulroney and Trudeau Snr who walked away when it was obvious that they had no chance, I suspect that Harper will be like Chrétien and Martin. Given his Calgary speech, he`ll duke it out even if it destroys the brand-name in the process. For Stephen Harper, there is only one job in this world: Prime Minister of Canada. He won`t resign. Unfortunately for the Conservative Party, Harper lacks the political skills of Mackenzie King. It may seem strange to say this now but unlike King, Harper never bridged the linguistic/religious divide. Edited November 3, 2013 by August1991 Quote
August1991 Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Posted November 3, 2013 Harper called in the RCMP to investigate Wright's offer of payment to Duffy that carried a condition that Duffy keep quiet. Jacee, I have no idea whether your claim is accurate or not. But it is obvious that Nigel Wright could destroy the political career of Stephen Harper. I think Oscar Wilde wrote a wonderful play with such a premise. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Good point about his opposition. One of the best things Harper has going for him is the pathetic state of his political adversaries. It's similar to part of what Obama has going for him is the state of certain Republicans in congress. Harper is really the only adult in the room. Have you checked the polls lately? Your so called "pathetic state" of his adversaries puts him in both of their rear view mirrors. Quote
eyeball Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Harper does what he does for the public eye. He wanted to say "I have called in the RCMP to investigate this issue!" while self-righteously thumping the podium. I don't think he expects anything to actually come of the investigation, not, at least, of the alleged bribery. Isn't that some sort of crime as well, abusing your power by ordering police to harass people? I'm pretty sure that also contravene's a fundamental human right never mind what the Constitution might say about it's legality. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Jimmy Wilson Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) What so bad about the Tom and Justin? Tom is experience politician and Justin grew up in politics, where did Harper come from....oil industry. I can understand his point about Trudeau... He's a whelp who's been shown over the last few weeks that he's nothing more than a photogenic branding excercise to try to get the Liberal Party back to power... He's been bested by Mr. Mulcair throughout this whole Senate affair... The same Mulcair who's been eviscerating Mr. Harper daily in QP... Edited November 3, 2013 by Jimmy Wilson Quote "Neo-conservativism,I think,is really the aggrandizement of selfishness.It's about me,only me,and after that,me.It's about only investing in things that produce a huge profit for yourself.It's NOT about society as a whole and it tends to be very insensitive to those people,who for one reason or another,have fallen beneath the poverty line and it's engaged in presumptions that these people are all poor because they are lazy.Neo-conservatives believe that fundamentally..." Senator Hugh Segal
cybercoma Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 It hasn't really damaged him a ton Maybe come election time, he'll still be on top. But it's completely wrong to say it hasn't damaged him a ton. He's completely damaged right now, according to the polls. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 I can understand his point about Trudeau... For a guy who sang a song about getting high with a little help from his friends, Harper's got some nerve claiming Trudeau is the Canadian Idol candidate. Quote
jacee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 For a guy who sang a song about getting high with a little help from his friends, Harper's got some nerve claiming Trudeau is the Canadian Idol candidate. Quote
brian66 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 I found the speech and reaction plus media scrums at the convention on this website. Must be relatively new. http://looniepolitics.com/interviews/ Quote
jacee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Jacee, I have no idea whether your claim is accurate or not.I recall when Harper was being grilled about whether he knew of Wright's payment to Duffy, he said he didn't know until May 15, and he immediately let the media and the police know.I can't find a report of that now. Just this: June 13: The RCMP confirms it has launched a formal investigation into the involvement of Nigel Wright in the Senate expense scandal. http://www.ipolitics.ca/2013/10/29/anatomy-of-a-scandal-key-dates-in-the-history-of-the-senate-expenses-saga/ But it is obvious that Nigel Wright could destroy the political career of Stephen Harper.Yes he could, and it seemed odd to me that the PM launched a new attack on Wright recently. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 I recall when Harper was being grilled about whether he knew of Wright's payment to Duffy, he said he didn't know until May 15, and he immediately let the media and the police know. I can't find a report of that now. Just this: June 13: The RCMP confirms it has launched a formal investigation into the involvement of Nigel Wright in the Senate expense scandal. http://www.ipolitics.ca/2013/10/29/anatomy-of-a-scandal-key-dates-in-the-history-of-the-senate-expenses-saga/ Yes he could, and it seemed odd to me that the PM launched a new attack on Wright recently. I find it very intruiging that Wright has said nothing, absolutely nothing. From what I gather he is a very astute lawyer and so I can only surmise that he is waiting for the legal chickens to come home to roost. I imagine Harper is very nervous about what may come from Wright down the road. Quote
jacee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) I find it very intruiging that Wright has said nothing, absolutely nothing. From what I gather he is a very astute lawyer and so I can only surmise that he is waiting for the legal chickens to come home to roost. I imagine Harper is very nervous about what may come from Wright down the road.He's talking to the RCMP, not publicly. That's pretty normal when under investigation.Duffy's talking publicly trying to save his job. Edited November 3, 2013 by jacee Quote
jbg Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 I recall when Harper was being grilled about whether he knew of Wright's payment to Duffy, he said he didn't know until May 15, and he immediately let the media and the police know. I can't find a report of that now. Just this: June 13: The RCMP confirms it has launched a formal investigation into the involvement of Nigel Wright in the Senate expense scandal. http://www.ipolitics.ca/2013/10/29/anatomy-of-a-scandal-key-dates-in-the-history-of-the-senate-expenses-saga/ Yes he could, and it seemed odd to me that the PM launched a new attack on Wright recently. The media always has it in for him. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jacee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 The media always has it in for him. You are joking right? Because Harper's definitely created his own problems with the media. Quote
PIK Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 You are joking right? Because Harper's definitely created his own problems with the media. Why because he would not kiss their ass? Right from the start the media was on him, before anyone knew of him. And now they are believing thier own shit. Maybe harper is not the control freak or a nazi and baby eater, but it has been said so much, you all believe it. This is nothing no matter what the media tries to turn it in to, they have been tr6ying to build a scandal out of everything, trying to make them out to be worse then liberals. In 2 years when we get to the elections then the love affair with trudeau will be over. I can't wait for the 1st debate. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
jacee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Why because he would not kiss their ass? Right from the start the media was on him, before anyone knew of him.That's their job. Quote
eyeball Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Could someone please expand on this media conspiracy to attack certain politicians? Where is it headquartered, how is it structured, who are it's leaders ("they"). Surely there must be some tangible proof of it's existence by now - email trails like the one from the International Global Warming Conspiracy hiding the decline for example. I sure hope the NSA and Five Eyes Intelligence Community are on top of this clear and present threat to our ideological security. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jacee Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Could someone please expand on this media conspiracy to attack certain politicians? Where is it headquartered, how is it structured, who are it's leaders ("they"). Surely there must be some tangible proof of it's existence by now - email trails like the one from the International Global Warming Conspiracy hiding the decline for example. I sure hope the NSA and Five Eyes Intelligence Community are on top of this clear and present threat to our ideological security. Yes, politicians just aren't free from the media these days! What's up with that!?!! Quote
jbg Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 In 2 years when we get to the elections then the love affair with trudeau will be over. I can't wait for the 1st debate. Trudeau sure bested Stansfield (sp) in 1968. I don't know if there were debates then. Then again spawn is not quite as bright as Daddy. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 You are joking right? Because Harper's definitely created his own problems with the media. Better to say the media created its own problems with Harper. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Could someone please expand on this media conspiracy to attack certain politicians? I think most journalists today tend to be very much on the mush left of the political spectrum, and their view of journalism comes from the 'gotcha' school of hollywood and television portrayals. It wasn't much of a secret that when the Reform Party came to town many members of the press gallery set out to mock, ridiculous and portray them in the worst possible light as redneck bumpkins from out west, ignorant, racist, religious freaks, etc. Someone, I think Doug Fisher, wrote a column on that back then, bemoaning their arrogance, and lack of integrity and fairness. Anyay, I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy. I think it's just a reflection on the media culture in this country. Harper and many of the other former Reform people came to loathe the media, their leading questions, and their often slanted portrayals of what the Reformers were about, and he's carried that loathing to this day. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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