eyeball Posted November 2, 2013 Report Posted November 2, 2013 I'm wondering why there's so much criticism from the 'decriminalize drugs' ilk over his having used crack cocaine. Because if Ford was a lefty his drug use is the only thing the criminalize drug ilk would be focusing on. It's this contradiction that sticks in the craw the hardest. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Moonlight Graham Posted November 2, 2013 Report Posted November 2, 2013 The phrase "crack cocaine" is sexy. How many posters to this forum have ever seen anyone use "crack cocaine"? A few years ago while walking out of the Eaton's Centre in Toronto I saw a homeless man, high out of his mind, lighting up a crack pipe with his lighter on a chilly day while leaning on the outside walls of the mall. Good times. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Guest American Woman Posted November 2, 2013 Report Posted November 2, 2013 Because if Ford was a lefty his drug use is the only thing the criminalize drug ilk would be focusing on. It's this contradiction that sticks in the craw the hardest. Why would that stick in the craw any harder than the exact opposite? ie: the 'decriminalize drugs' ilk being all in a tizzy because Ford smoked crack cocaine? Quote
eyeball Posted November 2, 2013 Report Posted November 2, 2013 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
jacee Posted November 2, 2013 Report Posted November 2, 2013 If Ford does smoke crack, then he needs rehab and removed from office for that duration. If Ford DID smoke crack in the car, then what other bad decisions has he made during his tenure? Ford needs rehab for alcoholism. And the cops need to get him off the road NOW! They have the vodka bottles to prove he's driving around the city impaired, and they need to address that. Quote
jacee Posted November 2, 2013 Report Posted November 2, 2013 What's ironic is that many of Fords critics are also part of the pro-dope smoking crowd.Let's just get one thing straight: What people do on their own time is their business.What Ford does on taxpayer time is our business. And it appears that Ford's skulking in bushes, drinking vodka and driving around impaired. It also appears that he's implicated in extortion. . Quote
left_alberta Posted November 2, 2013 Report Posted November 2, 2013 What isn't? The BC Liberal Party? It's definitely right-wing. Yes, for the benefit of American Woman and anyone else, the BC Liberal Party rose to power by absorbing the voters left abandoned by the collapse of Social Credit, which was one of the most right-wing political parties ever seen in Canada. So, that puts the BC Liberals well to the right of their federal namesakes, with whom I believe they do not have any formal association. Quote
The_Squid Posted November 2, 2013 Report Posted November 2, 2013 Yet he was re-elected after that, was he not? I'm curious because evidently Ford did not break the law - while Campbell most definitely did. The difference is truly beyond your comprehension? Lol Ok... Quote
BubberMiley Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Why would that stick in the craw any harder than the exact opposite? ie: the 'decriminalize drugs' ilk being all in a tizzy because Ford smoked crack cocaine?Maybe because the "decriminalize drugs" ilk are almost entirely composed of the "decriminalize marijuana" ilk. And if you don't know the difference between marijuana and crack, let me assure you there isn't any. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 So it's not really a "conservative thing" then, right?If you're talking about Campbell, I guess it is. But I have a feeling you don't know anything at all about Campbell and you're just spoiling for a gunfight without a gun. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) The anti-Ford establishment and media have been working overtime since the night he shocked them all by winning the election. They have never accepted his legitimacy and have been working ever since than to remove him from office, no matter what the cost. They're going into overdrive now because they're desperate to not allow him to appeal to voters to an up or down vote. Why would that stick in the craw any harder than the exact opposite? ie: the 'decriminalize drugs' ilk being all in a tizzy because Ford smoked crack cocaine? I see the usual suspects either haven't been paying attention or aren't debating honestly. Just because there are some people who have the intelligence to see that drug prohibition is a complete failure, it doesn't automatically follow that people want a crackhead for a mayor. Even if smoking crack were legal, it would still be questionable behaviour for any elected official, let alone a mayor of a major city. If the only thing that Ford had been stupid enough to do was smoke crack on a video with questionable associates, there would be calls for his resignation; but there wouldn't be this type of shitstorm. You appear to be ignoring Ford's long list of bizarre, embarrassing, repugnant and possibly illegal behaviour including: public intoxication racial stereotypes and epithets homophobic comments reading while driving allegedly assaulting his wife calling 911 when CBC comedians showed up at his house repeatedly lying about his behaviour counting among his closest friends some pretty sketchy characters engaging in conflict of interest (he was found guilty by a judge who removed him from office) abuse of his power as mayor (ordered a TTC bus to pick up his football team). Recently, he has been under police surveillance and he's been asked by the police to provide a statement. It's quite right for the citizens of Toronto to inquire and be told his part in the current criminal mess. But don't expect it to happen. As for claims made in this thread that Ford has broken no laws, I think it might be more accurate to say that Ford hasn't been convicted - yet. Probably, Ford has been careful enough and can afford good enough lawyers to avoid that. But it's to be seen. Individually, these behaviours might be written off as lapses in judgement. Viewed together, they show a pattern of poor judgement, questionable ethics and poor character. So, if you're saying that makes for a great mayor, well, that's on you. Edited November 3, 2013 by ReeferMadness Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Wasn't Gordon Campbell a Liberal? From BC? You're neck of the woods? I was happy to see the back of Campbell as he left but your comparison of Campbell to Ford is fatuous. While Campbell did break the law and should have resigned, he took responsibility and appeared (truthfully or not) to be contrite. Ford is the opposite. Campbell would have been run out of the province if he had anything remotely resembling Ford's long streak of bizarre and despicable behaviour. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
cybercoma Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) What's ironic is that many of Fords critics are also part of the pro-dope smoking crowd. What's ironic is imaging what your reaction would be if Obama was engaged in this behaviour. This is why it's impossible to take anything you say seriously. Edited November 3, 2013 by cybercoma Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 What's ironic is imaging what your reaction would be if Obama was engaged in this behaviour. This is why it's impossible to take anything you say seriously. For ironic, substitute "hypocritical" and you have it about right. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
BubberMiley Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 What's ironic is imaging what your reaction would be if Obama was engaged in this behaviour. This is why it's impossible to take anything you say seriously.Can you imagine him blaming the anti-Obama establishment and media? I was hoping to see enough character from either Ford Nation type here to concede they were unfair to the Star reporters. But I guess anonymous internet forum posters are not the people with whom one should expect to find character. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jbg Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) Was the public calling Gordon Campbell an addict and calling for his resignation after he drove drunk in Hawaii?I actually engaged the law firm he and Ralph Klein formed, Drinkem, Drivem & Drunkem, LLP for some of my Canadian legal work. Edited November 3, 2013 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Posted November 3, 2013 Oh yeah, I suspect the base would still have loved him even if he'd been caught growing pot. It seems that conservative bases are usually the basest.Tell me about it. The religious right is the worst on hypocrisy. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest American Woman Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 Tell me about it. The religious right is the worst on hypocrisy. Sarcasm, right? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 I was happy to see the back of Campbell as he left but your comparison of Campbell to Ford is fatuous. While Campbell did break the law and should have resigned, he took responsibility and appeared (truthfully or not) to be contrite. Ford is the opposite. Campbell would have been run out of the province if he had anything remotely resembling Ford's long streak of bizarre and despicable behaviour. How did Campbell take responsibility? He didn't turn himself in. He was speeding while driving under the influence. He nearly crossed into a lane into another vehicle. He was charged with 4 offenses. And you want to downplay that? Apparently Ford has not done anything to break the law as there hasn't been any arrests. And while you may have been happy to see the back of Campbell as he left, as I pointed out, he wasn't forced to resign after his dui incident - but was actually re-elected. Again. I'm not defending Ford, and have clearly said as much, so this comment "if you're saying that makes for a great mayor, well, that's on you" is a rather ignorant comment - and doesn't inspire confidence in the judgement of someone who would make such a comment in response to what I've actually said. Also, as a side note, Ford had every right to call 911 when he was being harassed on his private property. The fact that they were CBC comedians doesn't give them the right to do that. Quote
jbg Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Posted November 3, 2013 Sarcasm, right? No. How many religious right leaders have been caught financially scamming their charities or having affairs? Not that the Left doesn't have its share, such as Al Gore. But Newt Gingrich really takes the cake. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest American Woman Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 No. How many religious right leaders have been caught financially scamming their charities or having affairs? Not that the Left doesn't have its share, such as Al Gore. But Newt Gingrich really takes the cake. Oh, please. Neither holds the moral high ground when it comes to hypocrisy. Quote
jbg Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Posted November 3, 2013 Oh, please. Neither holds the moral high ground when it comes to hypocrisy. Question is how low each one can go. James Bakker and Tammy Fae for example? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
ReeferMadness Posted November 3, 2013 Report Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) Wasn't Gordon Campbell a Liberal? From BC? You're neck of the woods? Gordon Campbell was a Liberal but definitely not a liberal. He ran a centre-right coalition and his policies played heavily to his right-wing base. His first major act was an across-the-board income tax cut closely followed by a major reduction in the size of the civil service. BC now has the smallest civil service in Canada. He cut and in some cases eliminated corporate taxes, forced people off of welfare and outsourced core functions of major Ministries. So, if you're comparing how Campbell was treated to how Ford is being treated, it's just a case of 2 right-wingers who showed poor judgement and bad behaviour. And both of them got away with it. However, that's where the comparison ends. When Campbell apologized, nobody had to guess at which of the dozens of bizarre incidents he was apologizing for. There were no media reports of him beating his wife or kidnapping his own children. There were no videos of him smoking crack with people who later turned up murdered. He wasn't quoted spouting racial stereotypes or homophobic epithets. So, your comparison is specious at best. Edited November 3, 2013 by ReeferMadness Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Black Dog Posted November 4, 2013 Report Posted November 4, 2013 The anti-Ford establishment and media have been working overtime since the night he shocked them all by winning the election. They have never accepted his legitimacy and have been working ever since than to remove him from office, no matter what the cost. They're going into overdrive now because they're desperate to not allow him to appeal to voters to an up or down vote. Not me. I can't wait to see Ford try and win voters over with this hanging over his head. What's ironic is that many of Fords critics are also part of the pro-dope smoking crowd. Is that more or less ironic than "law and order" types lining up in support of a crack-smoking, gangster-befriending, drunk driving fabulist? Quote
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