GostHacked Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Is there much relevance to this thread topic about the Alawites or the Shiites? Quote
bud Posted October 4, 2013 Author Report Posted October 4, 2013 Is there much relevance to this thread topic about the Alawites or the Shiites? rue likes to challenge simple facts. it's a little hard not to call him on his fantasy world because he's just so out there. facts such as: - alawites are considered shiites by themselves and the main shiite groups and this is one of the main reasons why iran supports assad - israel receives over $3 billion a year in aid (welfare) from the u.s. taxpayers - u.s.' admission and documentation that u.s. helped saddam when he used chemical weapons against the kurds and iranians Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Might want to read what he said again, slowly. He said: "Of course they do" when it comes to the US seeing a benefit. Then it became a welfare "handout" for the Israelis. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
guyser Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 First off start with this before you pose as an expert on US aid to Israel because its already clear you do not understand the difference between foreign aid and military aid and why that difference makes your denial ludicrious:Damn you are a pompous ass , nothing changes w you.Not to mention you have you typical long wind bagged posts to sift through, pomposity at is finest.Nothing more than repeat repeat repeat the same tired crap. Of course I never mentioned anything about military or foreign aid, expertly or otherwise. I just laughed at your goofy (most would say stupid) assertion that Israel pays it back. Heres 3B, we will be back in December to pick up a cheque. 74% of aid given to Israel goes right back to the US to purchase US military goods.Yup, pretty much universally known. So to suggest that does not benefit the US is ludicrous.Cant read english can you? Your problem is you don't make an effort to figure out the difference between foreign aid and military aid.Pompous ass time again! Weeeeee Never said that, but then again you knew that. English...reading ability.....learn that. You have also made it clear from previous posts you want to parrot this myth that Israel sucks the US dry of aid with no benefit to the US so your comments to me are not surprising. Lol oh but wait you want cites. Right. Share these with Bud. Lol like you would read them More pompous ass time! Previous posts? LOL.....did you make some up with my name on it? Cites? Never asked for any. Israel in fact ceased receiving non military economic aid from the US in 2008.Very true......but they increased that aid for military by just a wee bit more than the reduction in economic aid. Its called a shell game. Of course you won't. In your world you deny Israel pays back its loans to the US with interest.You still stuck on that funny canard eh? (cant show us where they have but thats ok buttercup, didnt think you could) My you are funny! Your idea of debating is to throw out a myth and call names when someone does not agree with that myth. Actually, I am not debating you, I read your pompous posts lecturing (incorrectly at times) with bemusement, the continued repeat of the same point over and over and over......Here Rue Rue....there Rue Rue.... Of course no myth was thrown out, merely a post laughing at your assinine suggestion. Still assinine, but pretty funny. Quote
guyser Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 He said: "Of course they do" when it comes to the US seeing a benefit. Then it became a welfare "handout" for the Israelis. Like the poster said my friend, re-read the post. I did not say what you post above. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Like the poster said my friend, re-read the post. I did not say what you post above. I'll let you and Rue fight that one out. The USA sees a benefit to supplying Israel with 3 billion in military aid each year. They wouldn't do it, otherwise. I suspect it has something to do with giving similar amounts to Israel's enemies as a bribe honoring former peace deals and endless 'humanitarian aid' to Holocaust denying terrorist groups. But, I can only guess at the US's ultimate intentions. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 I'll let you and Rue fight that one out. The USA sees a benefit to supplying Israel with 3 billion in military aid each year. They wouldn't do it, otherwise. I suspect it has something to do with giving similar amounts to Israel's enemies as a bribe honoring former peace deals and endless 'humanitarian aid' to Holocaust denying terrorist groups. But, I can only guess at the US's ultimate intentions. And you know Iran's intentions even less. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 And you know Iran's intentions even less. Let's have no more talk from you about being on or off topic. You can keep denying Iran's ballistic missile programs in the other thread. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Let's have no more talk from you about being on or off topic. You can keep denying Iran's ballistic missile programs in the other thread. No where have I denied Iran's missile programs. You keep bringing that up and people keep needing to correct you on it. Stop it. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) The USA sees a benefit to supplying Israel with 3 billion in military aid each year. They wouldn't do it, otherwise. Only two groups benefit from U.S. foreign Aid to Israel and the political support to Israel: One is the military industrial complex that love to see wars and the other are the American politicians who benefit in millions of dollars for their political campaigns which they receive from AIPAC and other rightwing Israeli lobbies. Of course, the same lobby groups will punish politicians who stand in the way of their agenda. Otherwise, there is no benefit to the average American. In fact, U.S.' foreign policy that is heavily influenced by the rightwing Israeli lobby, puts Americans in danger with the adventures around the world which have a direct effect on people's view of America and Americans. Not only that, but the $3 billion dollars they send to Israel can be used to help the U.S. infrastructure and education system which continues to sink. Edited October 4, 2013 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Only two groups benefit from U.S. foreign Aid to Israel and the political support to Israel: One is the military industrial complex that love to see wars and the other are the American politicians who benefit in millions of dollars for their political campaigns which they receive from AIPAC and other rightwing Israeli lobbies. Of course, the same lobby groups will punish politicians who stand in the way of their agenda. Otherwise, there is no benefit to the average American. In fact, U.S.' foreign policy that is heavily influenced by the rightwing Israeli lobby, puts Americans in danger with the adventures around the world which have a direct effect on people's view of America and Americans. Not only that, but the $3 billion dollars they send to Israel can be used to help the U.S. infrastructure and education system which continues to sink. Oh dear...the military industrial complex....and Jews, of course! Their tentacles spread all over the globe, don't they? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 5, 2013 Report Posted October 5, 2013 No where have I denied Iran's missile programs. You keep bringing that up and people keep needing to correct you on it. Stop it. People who don't know the flat from the pointy end of a ballistic missile are 'correcting me'...good one. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 5, 2013 Report Posted October 5, 2013 People who don't know the flat from the pointy end of a ballistic missile are 'correcting me'...good one. I have not denied their missile program, but you keep projecting onto me that I said that. This is what you are being corrected on. And this is why you get reported. Quote
Rue Posted October 6, 2013 Report Posted October 6, 2013 Oh look its Hudson Jones or is that Bud or Naomi? I get confused. The military industrial complex employees people. You might want to figure out how many before you right off who those people are. Also Hudson Jones you enjoy the life you do which you take for granted because of that same complex. Of course when you sit their writing it off in your cushy environment you haven't a clue where it comes from. Quote
Rue Posted October 6, 2013 Report Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) In the world of anti Israel as coveted by Hudson Jones-Bud we make sweeping statements that US military aid to Israel is benefitting no one but Israel and the military industrial complex. Of course the very complex that creates the world of material comfort "hudson' lives in is dismissed. As for Israel does one think such an anti Israel source would admit the percentage of Israelis engaged in scientific and technological inquiry, and the amount spent on research and development (R&D) in relation to gross domestic product (GDP), is the highest in the world or that Israel ranks fourth in the world in scientific activity as measured by the number of scientific publications per million citizens? No no. Let's ignore that. Let's also ignore that Israel's percentage of the total number of scientific articles published worldwide is almost 10 times higher than its percentage of the world's population and Israel has the highest number of scientists, technicians, and engineers per capita in the world with 140 scientists, technicians, and engineers per 10,000 employees. Now does Hudson think not one of these individuals has done anything to benefit anyone else in the world? Oh come now Hudson Bud. You can do better then that when you come back on all you had to do was go to Wikipedia the source of Bud's knowledge on Alawites being Shiites. Hudson Bud the technology being used in the world including your lap top came from somewhere. You might want to ask where the technology came from. Chances are if it has to do with agriculture,computers, electronics, genetics,health care,optics, solar technology, it came from the same scientists you don't know exist in Israel. Edited October 6, 2013 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted October 6, 2013 Report Posted October 6, 2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Israel Oh go on Hudson Bud, go explain away the above and how this Israeli technology has not benefitted the world. When you are done that explain how that military industrial complex in the US does not hire US citizens and has not also spinned out into all the luxuries, materials and technology you take for granted. Do finish what you start. Call me I will be of course engaged in controlling a bank or making some porno movie in Hollywood but I will return your call. Quote
bud Posted October 7, 2013 Author Report Posted October 7, 2013 Oh look its Hudson Jones or is that Bud or Naomi? I get confused. The military industrial complex employees people. You might want to figure out how many before you right off who those people are. Also Hudson Jones you enjoy the life you do which you take for granted because of that same complex. Of course when you sit their writing it off in your cushy environment you haven't a clue where it comes from. are you seriously typing this crap? it's like saying, because we pay some rich guy welfare money, and he buys macdonald's, which employs people, this rich guy is really paying back the welfare money he receives. my standard of living is not due to israel's aggression on palestinians and the weapons u.s. gives to israel. what a load you spewed out this time. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Rue Posted October 7, 2013 Report Posted October 7, 2013 are you seriously typing this crap? it's like saying, because we pay some rich guy welfare money, and he buys macdonald's, which employs people, this rich guy is really paying back the welfare money he receives. my standard of living is not due to israel's aggression on palestinians and the weapons u.s. gives to israel. what a load you spewed out this time. Your standard of living is directly related to the military industrial complex. You can deny that all you want but its time you look at your own lifestyle. How do you think it came about? How do you think you are able to live the lifestyle you do? Crap? The only crap is you believing you can selectively point the finger at others without looking at the very same behaviour in yourself you accuse others of. I would expect that kind of response though. No debate, just dismissive name calling. As for this comment: "it's like saying, because we pay some rich guy welfare money, and he buys macdonald's, which employs people, this rich guy is really paying back the welfare money he receives." You again demonstrate analogies are not one of your strengths. What I in fact stated is that the military industrial complex is the same complex that provides all the material items you enjoy and take for granted. Your t.v., app phone, computer, food, anything and everything attached to your lifestyle came out of the military industrial complex that transferred the technology to civilian use. What I in fact stated is that the military industrial complex and its spin off effect, employ millions of employees world wide and that the US and Israel are vital cogs in that economic and technological development process which you benefit out of. That very technology was used to lift the lifestyle of the Arab Israeli people who now enjoy a higher lifestyle then any other Arab peoples in the Middle East and is precisely why they will not give up their citizenship. That very technology was shared with the citizens of Gaza when their government was run by a power that did not incite terrorism against Israel. Israel transferred that technology through non profit organizations to charities, some affiliated with the non violent wing of Hamas in those days, and the results? Roads were built, mosques, schools, green-houses, hospitals. Jobs were provided in Israel. Then the violent cell of Hamas from Syria took control of the Gaza and blew all of this up and lt on fire any Gaza citizen who dared protest. Interesting Bud how you selectively skip that or the role Hamas playe in collectively punishing the GAza population for daring to improve its standard of living with the very technology I speak of. You Bud live in a world where you deny connections between events. You can't see any cause and effect, just simplistic black and white absolute judgements that reflect your thought process that can only cope with black and white. In the real world Bud, you are no righteous warrior who can sit in his sheltered environment pointing his finger at others. By the way Bud, when the government gives tax incentives or shelters to large multi-nationals, its because they in turn create jobs and salaries that pay taxes. Your brain may not be able to fathom that cause and effect but most of us out there do. You came on this forum to suggest Israel does not benefit humanity only itself. You were called out on it. Your trying to suggest the military industrial complex is a welfare recipient is absurd. More to the point the next time you are in MacDonald's, and who are you kidding, you have Big Mac sauce all over your clothes, keep in mind who you finance Mr. Self Righteous. MacDonald's hires millions of people. It also indirectly kills millions. What is your point Bud? Do you know? Clearly the only think that matters to you is if MacDonald's was Israeli then it would be bad, until then what Bud? Does anything in this world matter to you other than your selectivity when it comes to criticizing Israel? Hmm? Hey BudHudson I know where you got that technique from. The same company owns Harvey's, Swiss Chalet, Pizza Hut, Burger King, Taco Bell, Kelsey's. It gives the illusion of choice doesn't it BudHudson but come on Bud, we all know its all the same. OOpsy. Psst I also know who Red John is. Quote
guyser Posted October 7, 2013 Report Posted October 7, 2013 What I in fact stated is that the military industrial complex is the same complex that provides all the material items you enjoy and take for granted. Your t.v., app phone, computer, food, anything and everything attached to your lifestyle came out of the military industrial complex that transferred the technology to civilian use.Nothing like pompous hyperbole huh? We all ate rocks and scooped dirt into our gullets until the military came along. What a pompous crock of shite. Quote
bud Posted October 7, 2013 Author Report Posted October 7, 2013 never seen this kind of desperate military industrial complex cheering since BC2004. i suppose we owe our gratitude to the military industrial complex for giving us google, unix, bitcoin and etc. conclusion: we owe it all to the $3 billion of u.s. taxpayer money gifted to israel. thanks AIPAC and zionism for their contribution to humanity. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted October 7, 2013 Report Posted October 7, 2013 never seen this kind of desperate military industrial complex cheering since BC2004. i suppose we owe our gratitude to the military industrial complex for giving us google, unix, bitcoin and etc. conclusion: we owe it all to the $3 billion of u.s. taxpayer money gifted to israel. thanks AIPAC and zionism for their contribution to humanity. The military did create the internet. As for the 3 billion, you know full well the US gets to dip its hand into the Israeli high-tech military R&D cookie jar. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 The military did create the internet. As for the 3 billion, you know full well the US gets to dip its hand into the Israeli high-tech military R&D cookie jar. Actually that aid is basically a bribe to make Egypt and Israel behave themselves. Basically Egypt and Israel said to the US "well be nice to each other, as long as you pay us a lot of money forever". Bit of a hosejob for Americans... on the other hand its China and oil rich arab states that come up with the money. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 Actually that aid is basically a bribe to make Egypt and Israel behave themselves. Basically Egypt and Israel said to the US "well be nice to each other, as long as you pay us a lot of money forever". Bit of a hosejob for Americans... on the other hand its China and oil rich arab states that come up with the money. The Egyptian and 'Palestinian' payments are certainly bribes. Not Israel's. Israel doesn't start these things...it just finishes them. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 It may finish the occasional outbreak of hostilities but the reasons for them seem to have no end in sight. Good news for the old MIC. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted October 8, 2013 Report Posted October 8, 2013 It may finish the occasional outbreak of hostilities but the reasons for them seem to have no end in sight. Good news for the old MIC. Well, if you can get the Muslims to rewrite the Quran so that Jews aren't apes and pigs, perhaps there'll be an end. Until that day... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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