why is the u.s. suddenly crying about the use of chemical weapons?

[GostHacked]

Prove that I hate Muslims. Prove that I hate Jian Ghomeshi, Tarek Fatah or Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Well....?

You may not hate them, but you don't hold them in high regard. Your posts clearly show that much.

Yeah...didn't think so. But, y'all like to project your biases on folks, it seems.

Using your own words to push back on you is not projection.

[DogOnPorch]

You may not hate them, but you don't hold them in high regard. Your posts clearly show that much.

Using your own words to push back on you is not projection.

BS...you don't know me and are not in a position to say what I do or do not like. You never used my words...you used YOURS...being the issue.

[GostHacked]

BS...you don't know me and are not in a position to say what I do or do not like. You never used my words...you used YOURS...being the issue.

Your views on Islam are clear for all to see. Your posts of 'the religion of peace' is something you throw out a lot as an attempt to mock Islam. Don't hate me because of the words you use.

[DogOnPorch]

Your views on Islam are clear for all to see. Your posts of 'the religion of peace' is something you throw out a lot as an attempt to mock Islam. Don't hate me because of the words you use.

I dislike Islam as an ideology. Just as I dislike Nazism, Evangelicalism, Communism and several other isms. Individual Muslims are often simply born into the ideology and know no better. You want to portray me as some sort of racist but do not have anything real to back your false claims up. This attitude is lame in response to me pointing out historical events and figures that you find distasteful to your PC narrative where no Mufti existed...the Tudeh party being nice democratic fellows...the Shah being put on the throne by the CIA, etc.

You just dislike the truth.

[GostHacked]

I dislike Islam as an ideology. Just as I dislike Nazism, Evangelicalism, Communism and several other isms. Individual Muslims are often simply born into the ideology and know no better. You want to portray me as some sort of racist but do not have anything real to back your false claims up. This attitude is lame in response to me pointing out historical events and figures that you find distasteful to your PC narrative where no Mufti existed...the Tudeh party being nice democratic fellows...the Shah being put on the throne by the CIA, etc.

Where have I denied that Mufti existed? Never.

Where have I said that the Tudeh party was nice? Never, I had not even commented, for I know not who the Tudeh party was, so I will claim ignorance there.

But for your last point, the CIA has now publicly admitted their role in putting the Shah into power. Now you can ignore THAT if you want to. Don't take MY words for it. Take THEIR word for it.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows-government-of-iran

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/19/politics/cia-iran-1953-coup/index.html

The documents, declassified in 2011 and given to George Washington University research group under the Freedom of Information Act, come from the CIA's internal history of Iran from the mid-1970s and paint a detailed picture of how the CIA worked to oust Mossadegh.

In a key line pointed out by Malcom Byrne, the editor who worked through the documents, the CIA spells out its involvement in the coup. "The military coup that overthrew Mossadeq and his National Front cabinet was carried out under CIA direction as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government," the document says, using a variation of the spelling of Mossadegh's name.

While this might be the CIA's first formal nod, the U.S. role has long been known.

You just dislike the truth.

[dre]

Your personal attacks add nothing to this discussion. Go away.

Its not a personal attack, its an observation of what your own posts say about you. That you dismiss millions of people that were not even alive when the conflict started as being part of a "Nazi Cause" pretty much says it all. That your solution is for the palestinians to just leave says even more.

Dont whine about your own posts. You know who you are and what you are.

Edited October 10, 2013 by dre

[DogOnPorch]

Where have I denied that Mufti existed? Never.

Where have I said that the Tudeh party was nice? Never, I had not even commented, for I know not who the Tudeh party was, so I will claim ignorance there.

But for your last point, the CIA has now publicly admitted their role in putting the Shah into power. Now you can ignore THAT if you want to. Don't take MY words for it. Take THEIR word for it.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cia-assisted-coup-overthrows-government-of-iran

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/19/politics/cia-iran-1953-coup/index.html

So you agree that the Palestinian Cause was started by a Jew hating Nazi who was knee deep in the Holocaust, personally sending some half a million Jews and untold numbers of Gypsies to the Death Camps? Good.

Re Iran: Once again you and the article are WRONG. Go look it up: the Shah was put on the Peacock Throne by Stalin and Churchill in 1941. Not 1953. And before you start posting like you're an expert on the situation, what was the UN's first challenge post WW2? In 1953, what was going on in the United States that would have a negative effect on Iran's coup? It's called history, GH. It's not opinion.

Its not a personal attack, its an observation of what your own posts say about you. That you dismiss millions of people that were not even alive when the conflict started as being part of a "Nazi Cause" pretty much says it all. That your solution is for the palestinians to just leave says even more.

Dont whine about your own posts. You know who you are and what you are.

Prove it...use my words. Otherwise, you're just like GH. Crying racism over uncomfortable historical facts that don't meet with your pathetic PC narrative on how things are/went down.

Prove it.

[GostHacked]

So you agree that the Palestinian Cause was started by a Jew hating Nazi who was knee deep in the Holocaust, personally sending some half a million Jews and untold numbers of Gypsies to the Death Camps? Good.

So here is where you trip up. I don't deny Mufti existed, however our views of his role in history is different.

Re Iran: Once again you and the article are WRONG. Go look it up: the Shah was put on the Peacock Throne by Stalin and Churchill in 1941. Not 1953. And before you start posting like you're an expert on the situation, what was the UN's first challenge post WW2? In 1953, what was going on in the United States that would have a negative effect on Iran's coup? It's called history, GH. It's not opinion.

Cite? Even if you don't like the cite I posted to back my argument, you can at least provide a link for your stance. It's really not that hard. But wait, CNN got it wrong? But it was not just the CIA. Britain had their hand in it as well with their intelligence services. This is a tactic called subversion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion

Subversion refers to an attempt to transform the established social order and its structures of power, authority, and hierarchy. Subversion (Latin subvertere: overthrow) refers to a process by which the values and principles of a system in place, are contradicted or reversed *. More specifically, subversion can be described as an attack on the public morale and, “the will to resist intervention are the products of combined political and social or class loyalties which are usually attached to national symbols. Following penetration, and parallel with the forced disintegration of political and social institutions of the state, these loyalties may be detached and transferred to the political or ideological cause of the aggressor.” [1] Subversion is used as a tool to achieve political goals because it generally carries less risk, cost, and difficulty as opposed to open belligerency. Furthermore, it is a relatively cheap form of warfare that does not require large amounts of training.[2] A subversive is something or someone carrying the potential for some degree of subversion. In this context, a "subversive" is sometimes called a "traitor" with respect to (and usually by) the government in power. Terrorist groups generally do not employ subversion as a tool to achieve their goals. Subversion is a manpower intensive strategy and many groups lack the manpower and political and social connections to carry out subversive activities.[3] However, actions taken by terrorists may have a subversive effect on society. Subversion can imply the use of insidious, dishonest, monetary, or violent methods to bring about such change.

Similar to how it went on in Libya, with the Brits having a heavy hand in that. Similar in the way that both Iran and Libya nationalized their oil industries kicking the multinational corps out of the country.

And it's what we are seeing going on in Syria. The players are slightly different. We know the US military has been involved in training some of the FSA in Jordan. Turkey gave them a safe haven of operation within its borders. Much of these rebels are foreign fighters from Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, ect. The US and Britain are also funneling supplies to them through Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Are you with Assad or with Al-Queda? Hard choice eh? Civil war?

Subversion and destruction of nations simply to control it's resources. In the end your next notion of racism and what I will say is more 'religism' does not even really apply. The tactical ruse of using the cover of religion is used on both sides to cover the real reasons of why this kind of stuff happens.

Prove it...use my words. Otherwise, you're just like GH. Crying racism over uncomfortable historical facts that don't meet with your pathetic PC narrative on how things are/went down.

What we are talking about is not racism as Muslims seem to come in all colours, shapes and sizes. Your beef is with Islam, the religion. So no, I am not claiming you are racist, that would be an unfair application of the term.

Prove it.

I just did. Take the CIA's word for it, not mine.

So the US crying about Syria using chemical weapons is a total farce. Syria was set up. Still thinking it was ever a civil war to begin with? Some years down the road, we will be let known about the CIA and MI5/6 deliberate involvement in taking down Syria. We know what happened to Iran.

[DogOnPorch]

So what was the Mufti's role in history since you disagree. Let's start there.

[dre]

Prove it...use my words. Otherwise, you're just like GH. Crying racism over uncomfortable historical facts that don't meet with your pathetic PC narrative on how things are/went down.

Prove it.

I already have.... Iv thrown each of these statements back into your face. Im not going to go and search the database for them all now, I dont even care.

"Palestinians are the same as hezzbolah" was a good one!

Like I said... you know who you are and what you are.

[dre]

So what was the Mufti's role in history since you disagree. Let's start there.

[DogOnPorch]

I already have.... Iv thrown each of these statements back into your face. Im not going to go and search the database for them all now, I dont even care.

"Palestinians are the same as hezzbolah" was a good one!

In other words: "I can't find anything where you said what I claim...but I'm accusing you anyways."

You lose.

Edited October 10, 2013 by DogOnPorch

[GostHacked]

So what was the Mufti's role in history since you disagree. Let's start there.

If you can apply the role in whatever context you are using Mufti, to add to the thread about the US crying about Syria's alleged use of chemical weapons. Otherwise, may I suggest starting a thread dedicated to that topic?

US has done foul in the past and now crying foul when someone else does it? Focus DoP, focus.

[dre]

So what was the Mufti's role in history since you disagree. Let's start there.

Why rehash that for the 50th time? Nobody even disputed your account on that. Your continue refrain that nobody believes the mufti existed is just a silly strawman.

[dre]

In other words: "I can't find anything where you said what I claim...but I'm accusing you anyways."

You lose.

I DID find them, and I pointed them out to you right when you said these things, in the threads you said them in.

[Hudson Jones]

I dislike Islam as an ideology. Just as I dislike Nazism, Evangelicalism, Communism and several other isms. Individual Muslims are often simply born into the ideology and know no better.

You know better than the 1 billion + Muslims in the world.

There is a word for people who think like you: Bigot.

[Rue]

Nothing like pompous hyperbole huh?

We all ate rocks and scooped dirt into our gullets until the military came along.

What a pompous crock of shite.

WHO IS WE? Lol. You call me pompous..ahahah...man you and BudHudson can't resist manifesting the very values you perceive moi for having.

Yer a gas (methane of course)/ More!

Edited October 10, 2013 by Rue

[Rue]

You know better than the 1 billion + Muslims in the world.

There is a word for people who think like you: Bigot.

You are funny? You calling someone a bigot after what you have posted? You came on this forum and referred to Israel as a cancer that needs to be wiped out-slur all Jews in your criticisms of Israel and you call someone else a bigot? Ahah.

More!

Enough with the BudHudson shtik as well. Use one name. That charade is tiresome.

[Hudson Jones]

You came on this forum and referred to Israel as a cancer that needs to be wiped out-slur all Jews in your criticisms of Israel and you call someone else a bigot?

Where did I refer to Israel as a cancer and say that they need to be wiped out?

Your lies are getting tiresome. I am reporting you for lying and being a troll.

[guyser]

WHO IS WE?

We would be you me and everyone else.You said all our food comes from the military.

Since it was such a silly thing to say, I have no issue with you trying to be funny and mock it, all the while not even seeing the incredibly silly phrase for what it is.

Hey, you said it , not me.

Lol. You call me pompous..ahahah...man you and BudHudson can't resist manifesting the very values you perceive moi for having.

Yer a gas (methane of course)/ More!

Of course youre pompous.

It was such a dumb and insane comment that anyone of any intelligence would see it for that.

Pomposity should be your middle name. No one else on this site uses 10,000 words to say " Yes, its by the door"

pom·pous (pmps)

adj.

1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.

2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.

3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious:

4. See Rue-MLW

Pretty much dead on.

Edited October 10, 2013 by Guyser2

[DogOnPorch]

If you can apply the role in whatever context you are using Mufti, to add to the thread about the US crying about Syria's alleged use of chemical weapons. Otherwise, may I suggest starting a thread dedicated to that topic?

US has done foul in the past and now crying foul when someone else does it? Focus DoP, focus.

You're the one that said you don't agree with me about his role in history. Well....what was his role in history? No need for another thread.

[Rue]

Where did I refer to Israel as a cancer and say that they need to be wiped out?

Your lies are getting tiresome. I am reporting you for lying and being a troll.

Go report. You came on this forum and referred to Israel as a cancer that needed to be wiped out. You have no credibility calling anyone a bigot. No you don't get to come on this board and engage in personal attacks on others calling them names then crying when I respond to you. I am responding directly to your comments. I did not call you any name and if anything you trolled when you came on this thread and started calling another person a bigot. You again engage in the very same behavior you accuse others of doing and it is why I argue your comments show no credibility.

You once before denied stating Israel was a cancer and I reproduced your comments calling for it to be wiped out. Why would you now pretend for a second time you never stated what you did? Its public domain and I will not reproduce your comments a third time. You will not use me for free publicity to keep repeating your demands to wipe out Israel or using references that question the motive of Israelis, Jews and the existence of the holocaust.

Do you deny you come on this board to engage in the dissemination of anti Israeli propaganda for a professional organization?

I have asked you that question.

I have a real concern that you and Bud sound identically the same in syntax and comment and that your comments are limited to subjective opinions only and I challenge them.

In the interim don't come on this forum call someone else a bigot then accuse me of the very thing you engaged in-I am responding to your comments.

Edited October 11, 2013 by Rue

[Rue]

We would be you me and everyone else.You said all our food comes from the military.

Since it was such a silly thing to say, I have no issue with you trying to be funny and mock it, all the while not even seeing the incredibly silly phrase for what it is.

Hey, you said it , not me.

Of course youre pompous.

It was such a dumb and insane comment that anyone of any intelligence would see it for that.

Pomposity should be your middle name. No one else on this site uses 10,000 words to say " Yes, its by the door"

pom·pous (pmps)

adj.

1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.

2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.

3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious:

4. See Rue-MLW

Pretty much dead on.

So what now should I run to the moderator like Hudson and complain you are making a personal attack? Lol.

You demonstrate the very behavior you describe me as having and that is hilarious.

What am I now supposed to respond with a word from the dictionary to describe you?

You are a poo head. No you are. Uh yah.

Lol. More!

Edited October 11, 2013 by Rue

[Rue]

Where did I refer to Israel as a cancer and say that they need to be wiped out?

Your lies are getting tiresome. I am reporting you for lying and being a troll.

Hudson Jones, on 12 Jul 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

Where have I called Israel a cancer? I may have called Zionism a cancer that needs to be removed because it is a disgusting and racist ideology and is something which needs to be condemned and removed.

Edited October 11, 2013 by Rue

[guyser]

So what now should I run to the moderator like Hudson and complain you are making a personal attack? Lol.

Do whatever you like, I would not care a whit.

You demonstrate the very behavior you describe me as having and that is hilarious.

Really? I have long winded pompous answers when No or Yes are good to go?

Uh no, but that you dont see that is fine.

Quite telling you wont even touch your inane comments, defend or not, but it shows that (a) you are pompous and (b

) wont engage on it.

S'ok though. Go eat your military meal