why is the u.s. suddenly crying about the use of chemical weapons?

[DogOnPorch]

You know better than the 1 billion + Muslims in the world.

There is a word for people who think like you: Bigot.

I believe you fit the role of bigot around here. You're the one starting anti-'Zionist' threads calling for the removal of Israel. I'm free to dislike any totalitarian ideology I see fit.

As for one billion Muslims being right and l'il ol' me being wrong...that is known as the Fallacy of Large Numbers. Just because a billion people do something doesn't mean it is right or even correct. Without scientific proof that Islam as an ideology is "true", it is just a very wild, unlikely theory and is subject to scrutiny and even ridicule.

[GostHacked]

As for one billion Muslims being right and l'il ol' me being wrong...that is known as the Fallacy of Large Numbers. Just because a billion people do something doesn't mean it is right or even correct.

That is not something for you to decide, or even accept.

Without scientific proof that Islam as an ideology is "true", it is just a very wild, unlikely theory and is subject to scrutiny and even ridicule.

Ok seems way off topic now.

[DogOnPorch]

That is not something for you to decide, or even accept.

Ok seems way off topic now.

I beg to differ. I decide what is right and what is wrong for me. Not you. Not a committee somewhere. Not a so-called "Holy Book".

[dre]

You came on this forum and referred to Israel as a cancer that needed to be wiped out..

Link? I dont know if thats true or not, your habit of inventing those kind of claims is pretty well known.

Edited October 11, 2013 by dre

[Hudson Jones]

I believe you fit the role of bigot around here. You're the one starting anti-'Zionist' threads calling for the removal of Israel. I'm free to dislike any totalitarian ideology I see fit.

As for one billion Muslims being right and l'il ol' me being wrong...that is known as the Fallacy of Large Numbers. Just because a billion people do something doesn't mean it is right or even correct. Without scientific proof that Islam as an ideology is "true", it is just a very wild, unlikely theory and is subject to scrutiny and even ridicule.

Zionism is an ideology and not a religion. Zionism today is nothing but colonialism.

Islam is a religion which is practiced by over 1 billion people. There are many denominations in this religion, like most other major religions. The religion is interpreted differently by people just like most other major religions. Your simplistic view and your contempt for anyone who follows Islam makes you a bigot.

[Guest]

You know better than the 1 billion + Muslims in the world.

There is a word for people who think like you: Bigot.

You really have no idea what a bigot is, do you?

[GostHacked]

I beg to differ. I decide what is right and what is wrong for me. Not you. Not a committee somewhere. Not a so-called "Holy Book".

You can decide that for yourself, but you won't be able to decide for others. That is what you need to accept. You don't have to like it one bit.

[dre]

You can decide that for yourself, but you won't be able to decide for others. That is what you need to accept. You don't have to like it one bit.

Not only that but as far as I can the number of muslims engaged in any kind of militant behavior is a tiny fraction of a percent. So all these generalizations are based on something else....ignorance, bigotry, or just dishonesty. Its hard to ever be sure.

[GostHacked]

Not only that but as far as I can the number of muslims engaged in any kind of militant behavior is a tiny fraction of a percent. So all these generalizations are based on something else....ignorance, bigotry, or just dishonesty. Its hard to ever be sure.

The same everywhere. I would say it's only a small portion of any population that you can think of that seems to ruin everything for the rest of us.

But it may be all of the above, ignorance, bigotry, dishonesty, and I would say much much more.

[Guest]

You can decide that for yourself, but you won't be able to decide for others. That is what you need to accept. You don't have to like it one bit.

Shouldn't that apply to others as well? People who don't like certain cartoonists, for example. Or adulterers, or blasphemers? Or book burners and infidels?

If it did, there wouldn't be an issue.

[Guest]

Not only that but as far as I can the number of muslims engaged in any kind of militant behavior is a tiny fraction of a percent. So all these generalizations are based on something else....ignorance, bigotry, or just dishonesty. Its hard to ever be sure.

Well, in Pakistan they still have the death penalty for blasphemy. That's a pretty big place. More than a tiny fraction of a percent, anyway.

[dre]

Well, in Pakistan they still have the death penalty for blasphemy. That's a pretty big place. More than a tiny fraction of a percent, anyway.

Oh I dont argue that compared to you and I muslims dont have seemingly backward customs. I talked about militant behavior/ tendencies. I doubt the numbers are much different in pakistan.

[Guest American Woman]

Oh I dont argue that compared to you and I muslims dont have seemingly backward customs. I talked about militant behavior/ tendencies. I doubt the numbers are much different in pakistan.

If the numbers aren't much different in Pakistan, then Pakistan is evidence of the effect that "a tiny fraction of a percent" of the population can have on the whole.

[GostHacked]

If the numbers aren't much different in Pakistan, then Pakistan is evidence of the effect that "a tiny fraction of a percent" of the population can have on the whole.

If you don't let them scare you, then you will be less effected by them.

[Guest American Woman]

If you don't let them scare you, then you will be less effected by them.

Whether they let them scare them or not, those living under their laws, tyranny, and violence are affected - often greatly. I would guess it's a factor as to why there are a lot more Pakistanis et al moving to our countries than the other way around.

[GostHacked]

Whether they let them scare them or not, those living under their laws, tyranny, and violence are affected - often greatly. I would guess it's a factor as to why there are a lot more Pakistanis et al moving to our countries than the other way around.

I was more referring to them affecting you in the USA. It surely does affect Pakistan much more. There is that completely lawless area in Pakistan that is a concern, but how much that affects your daily life in the USA would be minimal really.

We are constantly told there is a monster around the corner, creating unneeded fear among a population where a small portion will be affected by it.

[dre]

I was more referring to them affecting you in the USA. It surely does affect Pakistan much more. There is that completely lawless area in Pakistan that is a concern, but how much that affects your daily life in the USA would be minimal really.

We are constantly told there is a monster around the corner, creating unneeded fear among a population where a small portion will be affected by it.

Thats just capitalism. Some people make a lot of money protecting us from imaginary monsters. Your 1:20000000 chance of dying in a terrorist attack translated into a big payday for some folks. And the money we waste on things like the fake war on terror does nothing to reduce that threat.

[Guest American Woman]

I was more referring to them affecting you in the USA.

I was referring to the general reality of it.

[Rue]

Go eat your military meal

Thank you for that complement. I could not imagine a better group to dine with and be in the company of.

That said I eat alone. Don't sit with my back to windows either Guyser. Zip over your head.

[Rue]

Thats just capitalism. Some people make a lot of money protecting us from imaginary monsters. Your 1:20000000 chance of dying in a terrorist attack translated into a big payday for some folks. And the money we waste on things like the fake war on terror does nothing to reduce that threat.

Imaginary......fake war on terror.... money WE waste....the fact Dre you live in a sheltered environment oblivious to terror doesn't mean it does not exist. What next Dre, war, poverty, hunger, injustice, don't exist?

You really think you can dismiss terrorism as non existent just like that..poof?

You think you can toss out a fake number you make up and dismiss the people who have died Dre?

Dre I have seen the aftermath of a bombing. I know people who survived such attacks and have burns and scars all over them.

I knew a good man who committed suicide over it.

In your world Dre you don't experience things so you dismiss them and that is why I answer so many of your comments with a contempt. You are the voice of privilege. You take for granted your life. You have no idea what it is like to live in a world of terrorism.

In one sentence you insulted hundreds of millions of people who live with it daily. That makes you contemptable Dre or what Gusyer likes to call me pompous. Lol. You are something Dre.

By the way Dre don't use the word we. You do not speak for me or many others. If anything I believe my money is wasted on people like you. What I believe is you need to be air shipped to Afghanistan or Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Mali, the Philippines, East Timor, Nigeria, Chad, Niger, Libya, Sudan and forced to clean up after a terror attack.

Dre pray you never have to wash the floors and put pieces of flesh in bags or take someone to a morgue to identify a body or be the soldier who never sleeps from what he saw.

You know nothing Dre other than what you want yourself to believe-that's a small world Dre.

[Rue]

Whether they let them scare them or not, those living under their laws, tyranny, and violence are affected - often greatly. I would guess it's a factor as to why there are a lot more Pakistanis et al moving to our countries than the other way around.

Very good point. If you look at the history of migration its most often triggedby:

1-catastrophic environmental events, i.e., famine, floods, eathquakes, pandemics, OR

2-political turmoil, i.e., civil war, terrorism.

Edited October 13, 2013 by Rue

[dre]

Imaginary......fake war on terror.... money WE waste....the fact Dre you live in a sheltered environment oblivious to terror doesn't mean it does not exist. What next Dre, war, poverty, hunger, injustice, don't exist?

You really think you can dismiss terrorism as non existent just like that..poof?

You think you can toss out a fake number you make up and dismiss the people who have died Dre?

Dre I have seen the aftermath of a bombing. I know people who survived such attacks and have burns and scars all over them.

I knew a good man who committed suicide over it.

In your world Dre you don't experience things so you dismiss them and that is why I answer so many of your comments with a contempt. You are the voice of privilege. You take for granted your life. You have no idea what it is like to live in a world of terrorism.

In one sentence you insulted hundreds of millions of people who live with it daily. That makes you contemptable Dre or what Gusyer likes to call me pompous. Lol. You are something Dre.

By the way Dre don't use the word we. You do not speak for me or many others. If anything I believe my money is wasted on people like you. What I believe is you need to be air shipped to Afghanistan or Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Mali, the Philippines, East Timor, Nigeria, Chad, Niger, Libya, Sudan and forced to clean up after a terror attack.

Dre pray you never have to wash the floors and put pieces of flesh in bags or take someone to a morgue to identify a body or be the soldier who never sleeps from what he saw.

You know nothing Dre other than what you want yourself to believe-that's a small world Dre.

You think you can toss out a fake number you make up and dismiss the people who have died Dre?

Thats not my number... its comes from the US National Safety council which studies such things.

Terrorism exists but stastically its a non factor and does not justify the trillions of dollars spent on a "war on terror" that has done nothing to decrease the ammount of terrorism at all. But even though terrorism is a much less serious threat than say.... bees and hornets... its a disturbing and emotional threat, and people have exploited it to make a mountain of cash.

The biggest threat we face around terrorism is all this profiteering and out of control government spending.

[Rue]

Once again Dre you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding as to what terrorism is.

Your assumption terrorism's negative impact is only to be measured by no. of deaths is absurd.

I doubt you can understand it but try read this:

http://www.academia.edu/180558/Quantifying_fear_The_social_impact_of_terrorism

You need to get real Dre.

The impact of terrorism is not just measured by a death rate especially the one you trotted out that is not even accurate. No Dre its not the only measurement tool. What an absurd thing to suggest. Its also equally as absurd to think only capitalists are impacted negatively by terrorism. Again you take complex social phenomena and try reduce them to simplistic rigid black and white definitions.

Common sense alone would tell you when terrorism happens, the first thing to go is tourism which impacts on innocent civilians. Then nations refuse to invest in nations riddled with terrorism meaning these countries remain under-developed with no roads, electricity, sewage, hospitals, schools, fresh water.

The areas riddled with terrorism become no man's lands where there is permanent poverty and anyone born in such climates if they subsist must turn to crime or underground economic activity such as drugs and prostitution.

Then there is the organized crime that flourishes. Terrorist groups need to fund their cells with weapons and to do that they create elaborate networks of drug and prostitution cartels not to mention child pornography and child sex exploitation.

What world do you live in Dre that you are oblivious to this or the psychological effects on survivors who do not die

Are you that oblivious Dre or is that just part of the act of trying to show you are a know it all and you have the whole world figured out?

Come on Dre get real.

Like you will read any of this but try:

http://www.loc.gov/vets/stories/waronterror-impacts.html

http://paa2012.princeton.edu/papers/120624

http://wikibin.org/articles/effects-of-terrorism.html

http://www.aaets.org/article216.htm

http://dareassociation.org/Papers/Impact%20of%20Terrorism.pdf

http://www.apa.org/about/gr/issues/cyf/disaster.aspx

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/articles/psychiatric-and-societal-impacts-terrorism

Bottom line is this for those of us serious about the topic of terrorism and its impact on society:

1-it creates a negative economic impact, specifically it prevents globalization, destroys tourism, turns sites of terrorism into permanent poverty sites where no legitimate economy can evolve to employ people;

2-destroys the very social security network, i.e., fresh water supply, electricity, food sources, homes, hospitals, schools, roads, government services, recreation and community centres;

3-takes away privacy and creates a siege zone of pervasive military interference in the simplest of daily routines;

4-triggers mental illness, specifically anxiety and mood disorders;

5-feeds both organized and localized crime networks;

6-has permanent crippling effects on children;

7-causes people to die earlier, become drug addicted, suicidal or alcoholic;

8-increases heart disease, diabetes and cancer related deaths from the stress and exposure to chemicals used in terror attacks.

How Dre can come on this forum and write off the effects of terrorism with one meaningless stat is past the point of absurd.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Rue

[bud]

Once again Dre you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding

I doubt you can understand it but

You need to get real Dre.

What world do you live in Dre that you are oblivious

Are you that oblivious Dre or is that just part of the act

Come on Dre get real.

Like you will read any of this but

what a douche.

you cried about 'fake numbers' and dre provided you with the numbers. in the face of these 'real numbers', you go into another one of your keyboard pounding episodes.

grow up, child.

[dre]

How Dre can come on this forum and write off the effects of terrorism with one meaningless stat is past the point of absurd.

This was just another one of your turrets panic attacks and theres not much to respond to there. And I never wrote off the effects of terrorism either, I critisized the response to it. If the response to a terrorist attack is going to be to spend trillions of dollars exploding and then rebuilding countries, and creating gigantic new branches of government that will siphon money from the economy forever, then we are going to be in big trouble.

And just because you would like to ignore the statistics and embark on kneejerk responses that do more damage to us than the terrorists do, and do nothing to reduce terrorism, doesnt mean governments should. In the real world the likelyhood of something happening is one of the most important aspects to consider when you do threat assessment and mitigation. When we dont do that we make bad policies that dont work, or have adverse effects (like the response to 911).