TTC Police Shooting

[eyeball]

They could have used a net to entangle him. Police need to develop non-lethal methods for situations like these, which are probably in the majority of cases.

[Guest]

If they'd just waited a bit they wouldn't have needed a net. I assume he wasn't harming anyone else.

[eyeball]

Yep. Same with Brown in Ferguson.

Oh look, a 350 lb guy with a bunch of bullets is coming towards me. Hmmm, I think I'll back up until he wears himself out and falls over.

[Guest]

I didn't read the article. This guy with a knife was threatening the Police? I didn't know that.

If that's the case, then shooting him was the right call.

[eyeball]

It was a call they had little choice to make given the deficiency of available resources and methods they had. That needs to change.

[jacee]

I didn't read the article. This guy with a knife was threatening the Police? I didn't know that.

No one has said that.

Just that he didn't stop cutting himself when ordered to drop the knife.

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[Guest]

Oh, I see. I just inferred that from eyeball's comparison to the Ferguson case.

[GostHacked]

I didn't read the article. This guy with a knife was threatening the Police? I didn't know that.

If that's the case, then shooting him was the right call.

Read the article before posting then?

[Guest]

Sometimes. Sometimes not.

That post actually had nothing to do with reading the article. It was in response to eyeball comparing this situation to Ferguson. I was being somewhat sarcastic about how I had missed the bit where he was threatening the police.

Although I could be wrong about that. I've slept since then.

[eyeball]

There was just no good reason that I could see at all for pumping so many bullets into the people killed on these incidents. In the TTC shooting one bullet was way too many.

The final shots that killed Brown are comparable to the final shot that was fired into Yatim.

[Shady]

The final shots that killed Brown are comparable to the final shot that was fired into Yatim.

That's just not true at all, and not supported by any of the forensic and physical evidence. Enough.

[GostHacked]

That's just not true at all, and not supported by any of the forensic and physical evidence. Enough.

Both were killed by bullets, correct? Both were killed by police, correct? As you say Brown attacked the cop, and Yatim was apparently a threat to the police.

[eyeball]

That's just not true at all, and not supported by any of the forensic and physical evidence. Enough.

Are you trying to tell me it would be impossible for you to maintain a safe distance away from a 350 lb person bleeding from multiple gunshot wounds?

I'd regard any cop who claimed he couldn't to be a coward who should be fired and charged with dereliction of duty.

[On Guard for Thee]

Maybe they have justified it by concluding that they had to shoot him before he killed himself.

[poochy]

Are you trying to tell me it would be impossible for you to maintain a safe distance away from a 350 lb person bleeding from multiple gunshot wounds?

I'd regard any cop who claimed he couldn't to be a coward who should be fired and charged with dereliction of duty.

Prove to us that you could, not just say it, i can say any silly thing about any situation, but prove it to us, show us all how easy it is and how for you it would always be so, how you could handle every situation with movie cop like effectiveness and ease. Tell us in detail exactly how fast a man that size can move and exactly what effect any particular gunshot might have had on that movement. Explain to us how your inhuman ability to behave like an emotionless robot in every situation would allow you to always make every correct decision, and even if necessary the perfect shot, only to stop the attacker. Maybe just 'shoot him in the leg' of course missing the femoral artery, that's a no no, of course you wouldn't make that mistake.

So go on, tell us how you, or if you want to deflect, the super cop would do it, or where we might find these perfect beings, with the perfect mix of athleticism, brains, brawn, marksmanship, and of course, courage, we wouldn't want them to be fired and charged after all. It's difficult for me to imagine how any adult human thinks the way you do, the police deal with thousands of situations just like these every day and very rarely does anything truly bad happen, you want impossibly perfect police, and you deny the reality of the very imperfect people they have to face.

Two police officers were just shot by a man looking for an outlet for his disablities, maybe he would have killed more different people, but he chose police precisely because of the ridiculous rhetoric surrounding these recent cases, rhetoric that completely ignores evidence, ignores reality, just like you do, you made one post in that thread, only to comment on his obvious mental ilness. Sure, he only assasinated two police officers becuase he was nuts, and becuase the tv made him beleive they deserved it, so what right? it wasn't as though those police officers were criminals in the process of being arrested who resisted and died, that would have made them true heroes, in the end they were just cops.

Edited December 23, 2014 by poochy

[Boges]

Both were killed by bullets, correct? Both were killed by police, correct? As you say Brown attacked the cop, and Yatim was apparently a threat to the police.

If Forcillo is let off the hook, expect Ferguson like protests in Toronto. Yatim was absolutely no threat to anyone unless you're a paranoid cop on a roid rage.

[On Guard for Thee]

Right! And I don't think it takes a supercop to just jump in the cruiser, put it in drive and call for backup if you think the man you've just shot a number of times, armed with cigarillos is that much of a threat.

[Argus]

Are you trying to tell me it would be impossible for you to maintain a safe distance away from a 350 lb person bleeding from multiple gunshot wounds?

I'm unaware of any police training which suggests turning your back on a violent offender and running away. As far as I know every one of the training programs says you keep shooting till they fall down.

[Argus]

Right! And I don't think it takes a supercop to just jump in the cruiser, put it in drive and call for backup if you think the man you've just shot a number of times, armed with cigarillos is that much of a threat.

This is just stupid. Things move too fast for that. Once Brown started moving towards him it was stop him or else. You don't turn around and run for your car and try to lock your doors. You shoot the guy till he drops.

[eyeball]

I'm unaware of any police training which suggests turning your back on a violent offender and running away. As far as I know every one of the training programs says you keep shooting till they fall down.

Yes, the whole cops-gone-wild problem starts at the top. In the case of Brown anyone could have just as easily backed up. For Christ sakes I could have danced circles around the poor bastard. He simply did not have to die in that street. He was plenty incapacitated enough to have switched the response from forceful to a less lethal method of engagement.

[Argus]

Yes, the whole cops-gone-wild problem starts at the top. In the case of Brown anyone could have just as easily backed up. For Christ sakes I could have danced circles around the poor bastard. He simply did not have to die in that street. He was plenty incapacitated enough to have switched the response from forceful to a less lethal method of engagement.

You don't actually know how fast it happened or how fast he was moving when the final bullets hit him in the head.

[eyeball]

You can't imagine yourself being able to maintain a safe distance from a gunshot bleeding 350 lb person?

[Argus]

You can't imagine yourself being able to maintain a safe distance from a gunshot bleeding 350 lb person?

He was 300 lbs, actually, kinda like this guy.

http://broncotalk.net/2011/08/23161/denver-broncos/eagles-deal-brodrick-bunkley-to-broncos/

Edited December 25, 2014 by Argus

[Boges]

The Trial for this has finally started.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/forcillo-trial-yatim-shooting-1.3279911

Here are some early details we "didn't know" before.

Hit in the heart

The jury heard from the Crown that Forcillo's first three shots hit Yatim in the heart, severed his spine and fractured his right arm. He fell onto his back with the knife still clutched in his hand.

The Crown said "Yatim did not lunge forward ... and he was fatally wounded by one of the first three bullets."

Yatim never got up from the floor of the streetcar after the first round of shots, but "that was not the end of the shooting," Rupic said.

Five seconds later, Forcillo fired another half dozen times, including shots aimed at Yatim's abdomen, legs and penis, Rupic told the court.

Of the nine shots fired, eight hit Yatim. The interaction took less than a minute.

An officer who arrived after the second round of shots used a conducted energy weapon on Yatim and kicked the knife out of the teen's hand.

So it appears Yatim wasn't a "threat" after the first volley of shots. Remember Forcillo stopped then started shooting again.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Boges

[H10]

This is just stupid. Things move too fast for that. Once Brown started moving towards him it was stop him or else. You don't turn around and run for your car and try to lock your doors. You shoot the guy till he drops.

Both of them were about equally big. People like you shouldn't become cops, they have a deep unfounded paranoia. If you are a cop, you will likely get punched or kicked, and you can't shoot people for doing that. There are some scenarios like when the tazer fails and the guy is coming on top of you where you might have to shoot him, but its a last resort not a first. Wilson didn't even attempt to use the tazer, he had one, it was obvious he was planning on killing, frankly, white cops shouldn't be allowed into african american neighbourhoods.