TTC Police Shooting

jacee · October 6, 2013

What is becoming very clear is that police are totally incompetent in dealing with people who have mental health issues.

Police think killing people for erratic behaviour is justifiable.

Donavann · March 6, 2014

Well to be quite, honest the frustrating greater part of police causes in Canada only have firearms qualifications twice a year only spending for a few days, at the range major up to it.This is not sufficient to maintain disposable firearms abilities for authorities.

Edited March 19, 2014 by Donavann

guyser · March 6, 2014

Huh?

Boges · April 24, 2014

Little bit of an update on this story.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/sammy-yatim-killing-const-james-forcillo-back-at-work-with-tps-1.2620255

The police constable charged with second-degree murder in the shooting of 18-year-old Sammy Yatim aboard a streetcar last summer has returned to work with the Toronto Police Service, despite an ongoing inquiry into the case against him.

Toronto Police Association president Mike McCormack told CBC News that Const. James Forcillo has been working in the force's Crime Stoppers unit since Feb. 11, after a seven-month suspension with pay.

"[Const. Forcillo] is on 'super restricted duties' that are administrative in nature. He's not directly involved with any investigations or any direct contact with the public," McCormack said.

I'm a little a little torn on this one. On one hand I don't like taxpayer money being wasted having a guy sitting at home drawing a paycheque while under suspension so why not have him come to work every day and do a desk job?

But I guess it just rubs me the wrong way that he's getting full pay while suspended and under a murder charge. It's part of his union's agreement, so there isn't anything anyone can do but I don't have to be happy about it.

Apparently there's a protest scheduled regarding him being sent back to work.

Michael Hardner · April 24, 2014

Well, the Police and the union seem to think they have a vested interest in having a secret process to decide these things, and there's no need to get the public involved. It's not like Toronto police shooting citizens is a special case, it happens often enough that they should have something in place.

CBC Radio One's Matt Galloway had to ask the union rep what the process was, and it was just based on the discretion of ... well .. a bunch of people who aren't really accountable to anybody. Nothing to see here.

GostHacked · April 25, 2014

This officer should not be back on duty until the trial is over. He poses a direct threat to the public.

eyeball · April 25, 2014

He also stands as a pretty good symbol of what typifies the in-your-face attitude and relationship the authorities have towards the public.

Nothing rubs it in quite as bluntly.

On Guard for Thee · April 25, 2014

Anybody heard if he's allowed to carry a gun?

Boges · April 25, 2014

Anybody heard if he's allowed to carry a gun?

It's just a desk job. No gun. He's working with Crime Stoppers, no one is saying in what capacity though. I hope he's not taking calls from informants.

guyser · April 25, 2014

Dont desk jockeys carry a sidearm? I would think so.

Boges · April 25, 2014

Dont desk jockeys carry a sidearm? I would think so.

Well not this one according to reports.

guyser · April 25, 2014

Oh ok, surprised by that .

Rue · April 26, 2014

The officer you guys talk of has had a nervous breakdown. He suffers from post traumatic stress syndrome and is under psychiatric care. He was put on a desk job to keep him doing something. Not that some of you would believe it but this officer has been devastated by what he did. I do not wish the stress he is now undergoing on any of you. His brain continuously plays back what he did and he can not live with himself.

He does not sleep, eat, and feels suicidal. He is not physically capable of returning to a street police job and probably may never.

Those of you who see this man as a demon should keep that in mind. His union is not trying to justify any mistakes he made but don't expect them to throw him under the bus. It could have happened to any officer.

For those of you who still think its easy to say what he should have done know this-his life is ruined. He's not sitting happy about what he did.

I also appreciate the deceased's family mourns. I do not want either side to suffer any more from this is all I am saying.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Rue

GostHacked · April 27, 2014

The officer you guys talk of has had a nervous breakdown. He suffers from post traumatic stress syndrome and is under psychiatric care. He was put on a desk job to keep him doing something. Not that some of you would believe it but this officer has been devastated by what he did. I do not wish the stress he is now undergoing on any of you. His brain continuously plays back what he did and he can not live with himself.

He does not sleep, eat, and feels suicidal. He is not physically capable of returning to a street police job and probably may never.

If he is off the streets then that is good enough for me. Because if this was a slip up in protocol when on duty, then he would still be a threat to the public.

Those of you who see this man as a demon should keep that in mind. His union is not trying to justify any mistakes he made but don't expect them to throw him under the bus. It could have happened to any officer.

It could, but he did not take any time to contain the situation. Yatim moved a bit and he was shot by the officer. Most of us watched the vids, and most of us are coming to the same conclusion. He was very reactionary, not something I want from a police officer.

For those of you who still think its easy to say what he should have done know this-his life is ruined. He's not sitting happy about what he did.

And nor should he. I don't feel really bad for him.

Rue · April 27, 2014

Ghost all kidding aside I do not believe if you met him and saw what it has done to him you would not care about this cop. We disagree on many things but on this one I know you would care.

In fact I bet if you met that cop you would not hate him or want him in the space he is at right now. I doubt the deceased's family does either. They will eventually meet that officer, and it will be part of the healing process and they and him will find a way to forgive. No one wanted that boy dead. I

Watching this cop tear himself a part does not bring the boy back to life or help anyone.

That's it. Its not really something to debate. I will leave it at that I just do think you would care.

On Guard for Thee · April 27, 2014

He pulled a gun and fired it, 9 times, at a kid who had a jack knife and was alone and totally contained on a streetcar. And let's face, who really got torn apart here? If this could happen to any cop, then we need a bunch of new cops. Perhaps you will recall that not long after this incident there was a standoff between police and a man who had locked himself in a house, I believe it was Montreal, and he had guns, not a 3 inch knife. They negotiated for quite a number of hours and eventually the man was arrested and everybody walked away alive. Don't you agree the latter is the much better outcome?

Boges · April 27, 2014

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/04/25/driver_who_struck_teen_suing_dead_youth.html

Considering this story one wonders if Forcillo has grounds to sue the Yatim family since he's all broken up by it. :unsure:

WWWTT · April 27, 2014

The officer you guys talk of has had a nervous breakdown. He suffers from post traumatic stress syndrome and is under psychiatric care. He was put on a desk job to keep him doing something. Not that some of you would believe it but this officer has been devastated by what he did. I do not wish the stress he is now undergoing on any of you. His brain continuously plays back what he did and he can not live with himself.

He does not sleep, eat, and feels suicidal. He is not physically capable of returning to a street police job and probably may never.

Those of you who see this man as a demon should keep that in mind.

And what about other people who committed other crimes, do you have the same sympathy for them.

According to the conservatives tough on crime approach, the conservative government doesn't

WWWTT

cybercoma · April 27, 2014

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/04/25/driver_who_struck_teen_suing_dead_youth.html

Considering this story one wonders if Forcillo has grounds to sue the Yatim family since he's all broken up by it.

That article pisses me off. The woman was cleared of any wrongdoing as the kids were riding their bicycles at 1:30am on a rural road with dark clothing on. Not only that bit it was drizzling out at the time and she wasn't speeding, nor did she have any alcohol in her system. The suit that's being filed is her defence claim. In other words, she's responding to the lawsuit from the parents, who've decided to take her to court despite the police and prosecution finding no fault. The defence has to include everyone with any possible liability. The fact that the kids were negligent, riding their bikes without lights in the middle of the road at night, means they have to be named in the suit. That article and the way The Star presented it on social media is some of the most shoddy journalism I've ever seen. It seems pretty clear from the facts that have been presented in that situation who was in the wrong and it sure as hell wasn't the driver.

Bryan · April 27, 2014

That article pisses me off. The woman was cleared of any wrongdoing as the kids were riding their bicycles at 1:30am on a rural road with dark clothing on. Not only that bit it was drizzling out at the time and she wasn't speeding, nor did she have any alcohol in her system. The suit that's being filed is her defence claim. In other words, she's responding to the lawsuit from the parents, who've decided to take her to court despite the police and prosecution finding no fault. The defence has to include everyone with any possible liability. The fact that the kids were negligent, riding their bikes without lights in the middle of the road at night, means they have to be named in the suit. That article and the way The Star presented it on social media is some of the most shoddy journalism I've ever seen. It seems pretty clear from the facts that have been presented in that situation who was in the wrong and it sure as hell wasn't the driver.

Well said. It's very unfortunate that this woman is suing. I hate it that she is, but in her situation she's got no choice, she HAS TO.

Wilber · April 27, 2014

And what about other people who committed other crimes, do you have the same sympathy for them.

According to the conservatives tough on crime approach, the conservative government doesn't

WWWTT

Innocent until proved guilty, that's how our system works.

WWWTT · April 27, 2014

Innocent until proved guilty, that's how our system works.

????

I never suggested any different.

WWWTT

Rue · April 28, 2014

WW it depends on each fact situation.. I do feel compassion in some instances and none or very little in other situations.

For example, when it comes to Paul Bernardo-zero.

For the farmer Latimer in Saskatchewan as much empathy and compassion as is possible.

There is no one size fits all approach in law.

Criminal sentencing and consideration of such actions are not black and white. What we call "mitigating circumstances" can be quite different from alleged crime to crime.

I think to use a one size fits all approach and say Paul Bernardo is at the same level of moral depravity as this officer would be illogical and yes I would hope the law could differentiate.

It certainly failed with Latimer.

You might want to read the Latimer case to understand why as much as I find people like Paul Bernardo repugnant and not deserving of compassion when it comes to people like Latimer I think our system failed by not showing him compassion and both were charged and convicted of murder.

GostHacked · April 28, 2014

Ghost all kidding aside I do not believe if you met him and saw what it has done to him you would not care about this cop. We disagree on many things but on this one I know you would care.

That's it. Its not really something to debate. I will leave it at that I just do think you would care.

No, I do not really feel sorry for him. He got himself into this mess through his own actions.

Edited April 28, 2014 by GostHacked

Boges · April 28, 2014

That article pisses me off. The woman was cleared of any wrongdoing as the kids were riding their bicycles at 1:30am on a rural road with dark clothing on. Not only that bit it was drizzling out at the time and she wasn't speeding, nor did she have any alcohol in her system. The suit that's being filed is her defence claim. In other words, she's responding to the lawsuit from the parents, who've decided to take her to court despite the police and prosecution finding no fault. The defence has to include everyone with any possible liability. The fact that the kids were negligent, riding their bikes without lights in the middle of the road at night, means they have to be named in the suit. That article and the way The Star presented it on social media is some of the most shoddy journalism I've ever seen. It seems pretty clear from the facts that have been presented in that situation who was in the wrong and it sure as hell wasn't the driver.

Still if you can receive financial compensation from a family of a dead person because of their death has caused you emotional problems, it'll be a horrible precedent to set. I suppose it's a situation of lawyers making life hard for people.

Again a story for another thread.

I just wanted to respond to Rue's claim that Forcillo is mentally hurt by what he did and should we feel sorry for him. Should he even be able to sue the Yatim family? Sort of tongue in cheek.