RCMP stopping 'Al-Queda' Plot.

[AlienB]

It pisses me off people take a police statement as the truth. It is their position. Wait until court, as clearly the other side hasn't been heard. We havn't seen the investigative information only statements relating to the event that being recovery of pressure cookers with some sort of explosives that seemed to have been planted a day early? Which doesn't really make sense.

Also the name of the woman is really familiar either military intelligence or communications, or a protestor or something I know I have read the name in the news before. No idea about the guy.

None the less.. these people visited a local mosque a few times, and don't appear to have been indoctrinated. Even the police say they were self learned, yet hold on? From where, the internet?

Do they have any link to al qaeda.. well none so why even use the word al qaeda. Radical Islamist Terrorism no even that doesn't do it they'd probably be abducting jews and cutting their heads off if that was the case. Chenyian inspired terrorism much closer to home.

None the less all we now is that the cops were running operations on them including a sting operation and inspecting the residence without a warrant. apparently on an undercover operation. Right there brings in the potential of evidence tampering or manipulation.

But it does appear authentic.. but we havn't heard the otherside.

It would be wonderful if people let the accused defend themselves before saying what happened. While the truth may never be known, atleast this wasn't an arbitrary arrest under the terrorism laws that allow secret trial, arrest without warrant, and indefinate holdings without access to justice. Atleast these are real charges, we can be thankful for that.

The police really freaked them out though by the under cover op.. it threw them off big time, causing them to not spend time at home, which was related to apparently not being able to pay their rent, possibly to move... and basically they hit the wall so if this went on.. it was likely the spook operation that actually caused them to a dead end in life and force them to the extreme of the act.. which is another example of how police operations can cause crimes.. not keep the peace.

None the less hopefully this won't be a ridicoulously long trial like the g20 conspiracy riots trials. Like quick and to the point just the facts leave the story at home.\

My geuss one or all three things tipped off the RCMP

1. Visiting a mosque and not being muslim raised. i.e. convert

2. visiting websites online that were flagged such as sites not about pressure cooker recipes.

3. and I've forgotten the third...

Can you imagine how many people would be the list for the second one, who here hasn't visited radical islamist websites and learned about making pressure cooker bombs, arn't we suppose to know why we are killing and arresting them?

Euh, none the less I still havn't figure out why these pressure cookers are so good, is this the same as a rice cooker?

The PSI In an air compressor is way bigger, and can be operated off of a remote battery why are people using cookware?

I don't really get it but yeah, clearly seems pretty sick.

It seems pretty open and closed but still I'd rather see the facts from trial rather than people saying the cops said its true. Cops and the crown lie. I'm not saying these cops have, but I am saying they do. "It is their story, not the truth per se."

Edited July 4, 2013 by AlienB

[Guest American Woman]

Does anybody really think we would have “home grown” or any other terrorist activity on our soil if we had stayed out of that debacle in Afghanistan?

Well, off the top of my head, there's Ahmed Ressam, but he was planning on blowing up LAX, so does that make it somehow better?

[Army Guy]

^{Does anybody really think we would have “home grown” or any other terrorist activity on our soil if we had stayed out of that debacle in Afghanistan? The USA and the Taliban are currently beginning negotiations on ending the conflict in Afghanistan. Basically the Taliban have won that war and will be there and probably in control in a few years after winning the coming civil war. It was a mistake for Canada to go in, a mistake for Canada to escalate our involvement and a mistake for Canada to stay in for as long as we did. Unfortunately, we will continue to pay for those mistakes. Maybe we will think twice the next time we decide to stick our noses into something that is none of our business. Maybe we won't.}

It is easy to blame our active particapation in Afghanistan for the rise in Home Grown terrorism , but this has been a problem for decades well before Afghanistan was even on the radar. It is a recruiting tactic that terrorist use for various reasons. A western recruit is a coup for any terrorist cell, they get a lot more media attention when caught or killed, compared to Local members. Look at Khadr and how much media he received.

Western recruits can travel a lot easier, often have their own resources such as cash, etc to travel purchase wpns, training, etc…

Ray Boisvert spoke about the case again on Tuesday and told CBC News Canadians shouldn't think the case is atypical, reiterating what he told CBC chief correspondent Peter Mansbridge on Monday.

"It's really a story that may affect our identity as Canadians," he cautioned in his interview with Mansbridge.

Xristos Katsiroubas, left, and Ali Medlej have been identified as the young Canadian militants involved in the attack at the Algerian gas plant. (CBC)

"Sometimes Canadians see these sort of religious-political motivations as being something that affects others, or just a small part of the community," he told CBC News on Tuesday via Skype.

"But that's not the case. This is not about Canadians or a particular group. It's about vulnerable youth, falling prey to a nasty subset of religious ideology driven through al-Qaeda narrative, being driven by a sense of adventure, a sense of purpose, a sense of meaning in their life, or perhaps following someone of influence in their life that will them to a path of violence."

When asked whether the story about young men in Canada being radicalized is typical, Boisvert said it is.

"It's quite typical. I have seen several cases over the years, affecting young people in small communities, or young people in large cities. It can be done over the internet, but the process is an individualized one."

Boisvert said these "influencers" in somebody's family life will try to "hide in the shadows."

Thses are not the only Canadians to have been radicalized, like CSIS has said there are thousands. and they are not all traveling to Afghan but world wide.

You make some big leaps in announcing the Taliban victory parade, Do you really think the people of Afghan are going to let them back in to rule your sadily mistaken.

As for the mistake that Canada made, nothing but opinion, nothing more, everyone has one....you may change your mind if you could first hand see the differences we have made in that country....In fact I'm proud of what we did, standing up for the little guy may not be a big deal to you, but for me it is what Canadians do, and has been doing for years.

[Guest American Woman]

As for the mistake that Canada made, nothing but opinion, nothing more, everyone has one....you may change your mind if you could first hand see the differences we have made in that country....In fact I'm proud of what we did, standing up for the little guy may not be a big deal to you, but for me it is what Canadians do, and has been doing for years.

You should be very proud. Good for you making a difference. Not many of us can say that.

[PIK]

I wonder if they were monitoring their cellphones, or should I say the US, since Canada said it only monitors foreigners like the US, so that means they are monitoring us now online too.

I am glad you brought that up, because according to the snowdens of the world they should not be allowed to do that , so these idiots could have planted the bombs and alot of people could have been killed.So what do you do, let them do it or use wire taps to hunt these fools down.

[GostHacked]

I am glad you brought that up, because according to the snowdens of the world they should not be allowed to do that , so these idiots could have planted the bombs and alot of people could have been killed.So what do you do, let them do it or use wire taps to hunt these fools down.

If they have enough evidence, then do it the legal way and get a warrant. It really is that simple. Obviously since the RCMP were in control of this situation early on then there was more than enough evidence to get a warrant for an arrest and for a search.

[Guest American Woman]

I wonder if they were monitoring their cellphones, or should I say the US, since Canada said it only monitors foreigners like the US, so that means they are monitoring us now online too.

And of course since "Canada said it only monitors foreigners," we know that it can't possibly be doing any differently, right? Because of course Canada would come right out and admit it if it were. Canada has always told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to the public.

[Topaz]

And of course since "Canada said it only monitors foreigners," we know that it can't possibly be doing any differently, right? Because of course Canada would come right out and admit it if it were. Canada has always told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to the public.

Foreigners...... like someone from the US? Canada is as truthful as the US.

[Guest American Woman]

Foreigners...... like someone from the US? Canada is as truthful as the US.

So do you believe that Canada only monitors foreigners - since that's what your government said?

And do you thnk that it's ok for Canada to monitor foreigners?

Edited July 4, 2013 by American Woman

[Moonlight Graham]

And Bryan, IMO in their mind it's us being a Western nation still full of "Infidels" is what makes us a target and not our "close relationship" w/the US. I blame these religious fanatics themselves and their warped agenda for us being a target.

I agree with this fully. Add Canada's foreign policy (and the West's foreign policies in general) in the middle-east to what makes us "infidels". To these radicals, they are at war with us.

Very impressed by the RCMP (and CSIS I assume) on their work in stopping this plot, and even infiltrating them deeply here. The perps here seemed like freaks on the fringes of Canadian society, which is less alarming than if these were a couple of upstanding "suburban white folk".

[PIK]

Bombs are dangerous no matter the fools that have them. And I love the responses of people, now it is harper that set it up, to take the senate heat off of him. lol

[Boges]

Bombs are dangerous no matter the fools that have them. And I love the responses of people, now it is harper that set it up, to take the senate heat off of him. lol

Harper also made the Egyptian Army depose their leader. You heard it hear first.

[GostHacked]

So do you believe that Canada only monitors foreigners - since that's what your government said?

And do you thnk that it's ok for Canada to monitor foreigners?

Canada monitoring foreigners, no issues there.

Canada monitoring Canadians, HUGE issues there.

Edited July 4, 2013 by GostHacked

[Boges]

What about monitoring crazy people with drug problems and a criminal record that have recently converted to Islam?

[GostHacked]

What about monitoring crazy people with drug problems and a criminal record that have recently converted to Islam?

If they are Canadian citizens, gather the evidence and get a warrent for wiretapping and/or searching premisis.

Just because criminals break the law, does not mean our police should be able to break the law with the mantra of 'ends justify the means' type of thing.

[Guest American Woman]

Canada monitoring foreigners, no issues there.

Canada monitoring Canadians, HUGE issues there.

So do you believe that Canada only monitors foreigners - since that's what your government said?

[GostHacked]

So do you believe that Canada only monitors foreigners - since that's what your government said?

Not one bit. I only hope if they ARE, they are doing it within the law, and abiding by our bill of rights/constitution type of thing. Do you believe yours? Even after what you know about the NSA programs and the extent of them?

Every politician starts lying the moment they say 'I promise to *.* ......'

[WWWTT]

I would argue they could use entrapment. Possibly string them along for as long as possible in order to have more charges applied for a better possibility of something sticking when court proceedings take place.

Clearly the intent was there, and they could have been charged with something with the evidence gathered early on.

From my understanding of entrapment,the intent could have been suggested by the rcmp!

Would also explain why the unusual "inspiration" for this alleged crime.

In my opinion,even the way the rcmp are proclaiming how they allegedly stopped this is an infringement of their right of inocence!

WWWTT

[Wilber]

Kind of getting the cart before the horse aren't we? At this point there is no reason to believe that the police operated outside the law or that warrants weren't obtained when necessary. If this is not the case, it will quickly come out in court. These people will not be tried at Gitmo.

[AlienB]

Canada monitoring foreigners, no issues there.

Canada monitoring Canadians, HUGE issues there.\

Why is that we have a whole bunch of countries spying on Canada... some of those are intelligence partners like the US Britain and france.. which allow for sharing through groups like the 5 I's and Echelon Royal.

Meanwhile we have monitoring of sigintel from Alert god knows where, and the entire backbone monitored.

This breaking news isn't breaking news at all.. it was released over a decade ago, about programs like PRISM.. none the less the whole thing is ... who has the authority to access the information and what words and communication points are automatically warrants for monitoring. It is more so knowns that are monitored not just noise.

Groups like the CSE mil counter intel and mil counter counter intel all exist in the national security framework and outside "civil law"

national security is not civil or jducially warranted because it isn't traditionally criminal investigation.. sadly due to obscuring the laws on terrorism and putting it in the CcC things have become very grey. One can only assume that Canada is under martial law. We have automatic detentions without warrants for indefinite periods on suspicion and secret trials

Civil law only exists for fancy it really doesn't exist anymore in terms of the way things use to be. It is based on necessity of the executive not determination of the judiciary. The judicature is no longer the judge on habeas corpus or other constitutional rights.. the constitution is suspended due to unconstitutional legislation which is blindly supported by the masses.

the problem with challenging those laws is there is no access to do so short of actually defending yourself and person by use of force if force is being used... so effectively it will look very bad to resist it because the public in the name of "needs" against terrorism. blindly accepts the loss of the constitutional protections... people are left to trust the executive as they once trusted the judiciary. the executive has become the judiciary of first instance for rights that it never previous had for the same duration nor the same extent.

thankfully the abusive provisions weren't used in this instance.. however I am still a little curious on the actions leading up to this.. particularly the "diversion" due to hazardous materials, and the police showing up at their apartment some time before, it shows a rather long period of police actions in the weeks not on short notice..

I'm wondering if a search warrant was obtained or executed at the time they faked the chemical spill.

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there are much worse things that could have happened, these people if so are being cast as goofs, not threats... they use KGB methods on threats.. that is they disappear, end up tortured and drugged if not worse.. but the names seems familiar I just can't recall where they are from.

Edited July 6, 2013 by AlienB

[Topaz]

So do you believe that Canada only monitors foreigners - since that's what your government said?

And do you thnk that it's ok for Canada to monitor foreigners?

It depends on who the President is.

[Guest American Woman]

It depends on who the President is.

So whether or not you believe that Canada only monitors foreigners - since that's what your government said - depends on who the president is?

Edited July 6, 2013 by American Woman