Israel's 10 year racist law anniversary

[Guest American Woman]

None of the 50+ racist laws in Israel would be accepted in Canada or U.S. This makes Israel a racist state and Canada and U.S. unlike Israel.

Oh, please. Many a "racist law" has been "accepted" in Canada and the U.S.; interesting to see that you set your standards on what Canada and the U.S. would accept, though. So with that in mind, let's bring Palestine's racist laws into the fray .... because your outrage over racist, discriminatory laws isn't selective, right?

[Rue]

The easiest way to know when you are dealing with a propoganda site whose writers have no clue who Palestinians are is to note they will accuse Israel

of being "racist" against Palestinians, then try suggest there are Israeli Palestinians

and then other "Palestinians", stereotype them both as racial identities and suggest they are the same racial identity.

Again this kind of misrepresentation as to who we are talking about is typical of such sites designed to incite hatred between Arabs and Jews, Canadians, Americans, Israelis and Muslim peoples.

It depends on you being ignorant as to what is being presented and repeating a misrepresentation over and over.

The method of repeating 50 discriminatory laws over and over is an old propoganda tactic Joseph Goebels and then later the KGB put to good use. It works on the principle if your repeat something false over and over, it creates a "given" or a premises no one bothers to question and simply accepts. By repeating the "given" repeatedly it cues the reader to simply accept without questioning the "given".

Now I will once again provide a rebuttal to the continuing stream of misrepresentations inciting hatred from this site.

To start with Palestinians are not a race of people. They are a self identified collective of Arab peoples who believe they are a national identity and are descended from people who lived in Palestine but were not Jewish.

The definition is a national one not a racial one and its discriminatory in that it

excludes Palestinians of Jewish origin.

More to the point Palestine was never a nation. It was a Greek name assigned

a geographic area within the lands of Judea and Somaria.

Today’s self identified Palestinians are people who may in fact be descended from Muslims or Christians who lived in the area known as Israel and Jordan today, but where it can get quite absurd is that the majority of today’s people

who identify as Palestinian are not descended from Palestinians, but Muslims

of the Middle East who moved to Palestine displacing Palestinian Muslims and Christians during British colonial rule as the British implemented this policy to flood the area with Muslims to prevent Jews from becoming a majority or creating a

state.

In fact this policy created by Winston Churchill is public domain and candidly discussed in his biography and in his mind the British had to pay back the Arab peoples for helping the British defeat the Ottoman Empire in World War One and this is how they implemented the pay back.

　

The actual concept of people identifying as being "Palestinian" was not in fact even used by Palestine political groups until Arafat began using the term after he failed to take control of Jordan from King Hussein after the failed Black Sabbath uprising in 1967.

Until that time Jordan referred to itself as a Palestinian state and offered all people who felt they were displaced by Israel or called themselves Palestinian, automatic law of return and Jordanian citizenship.

To this day Jordan’s government crest refers to itself as a Palestinian state.

It was only after Arafat was thrown out of Jordan re reinvented the word to mean a people without a country of Palestine. Until then all the leaders of the Palestinian political and terrorist cells and movements did not refer to a Palestinian state but a state that would be a Muslim caliphate consisting of Syria,Lebanon and what is now the West Bank, Jordan and Israel.

So if anything when we use the word "Palestinian" we are not talking about raise but a "nationality".

In fact Palestinians are Muslim peoples. They are by necessary biological definition a mix of many peoples. They can be as black as coal and as white as any caucasian including having blonde or red hair and blue eyes.

It is a ridiculous misrepresentation to call Palestinians a race of people. Their collective identity like the Jewish one is based on shared language, culture, religious and political views.

When you hear them being referrred to as a "race" it should be a red flag that the person referring to them as that are either white supremacists exploiting the Middle East conflict to raise hatred against Jews, or Syrians, Egyptians, Iranians or confused Muslims in Canada or elsewhere in the non Muslim world trying to present themselves in a manner that they think conforms to Muslim extremist politics typical of Hamas and other terror organizations.

Palestinians are a collective of people. They are not a race any more than Jews are. Both of us are collectives who choose to self identify as Jews or Palestinians.

It gets confusing because Jews have been able to express their collective identity through a national identity now as symbolized through the Israeli state.

With Palestinians, they now want a state to define their collective status and it gets more confusing because the majority of them want their own government but the minority who control them in the Gaza are Muslim militants who envision a fundamentalist Muslim state pretty much like the one being rejected in Egypt and run in Iran. Most Palestinians are not conventionally Muslim fundamentalist.

Like Jews they are existential reactors to the political crisis around them. They see themselves as victims of history who need to be empowered by a state organ.

Its not a religious principle that fuels them-it is the desire to gain sufferage as did the US or Israel or any other nation.

Propoganda script writers from sites like"Hudson Jones" can’t grasp this.

They don’t understand the concepts of "Arab","Muslim" or "Palestinian" and the fact that the three are not one in the same but may overlap.

In fact when we use the word "Arab" today its often used in a derogatory sense but true Arabs would be descended from the Beduins.

Today’s Arabs are in fact a misused term to explain Muslim or Christian peoples that live in Sharia law nations across Northern Africa and the MiddleEast where the state and Islamic religion are not separated and non Muslims are discriminated against.

Within this context Jews fled from these countries to Israel to escape persecution and discrimination and thus when "Hudson Jones" tries to reinvent the Israeli state as racist, this site deliberately omits the fact it was created in direct reaction to discriminatory Muslim states or persecution of Jews from Christian states of Europe.

Christians have been able to create and run numerous states where for many years state and religion were also not separated and they also dsicriminated against Jews.

Here is the real misrepresentation the "Hudson Jones" site has engaged in.

In fact the "Arab" citizens of Israel who are non Jewish unlike Jews in Muslim nations of the Middle East enjoy the highest standard of living of any Arab in the Middle East. So when this site makes bold accusations of discrimination it needs to explain how then with this discrimination, the net effect has been to offer Arabs a far better standard of living in Israel then they ever had in an Arab country?

Why will this Hudson Jones site ignore that reality or the fact that Israel is an officially bilingual country recognizing Arabic as an official government language and allows these people to practice their own religious laws, own land and vote for their own people to office?

How does he explain how Arab Israelis have not only served in the Israeli Defence Force but were and remain some of its bravest soldiers and war heroes?

　

　

Why does this ‘Hudson Jones" site not point out that the laws he says discriminate against Arab Israelis also discriminate against me a Reform Jew if I came to Israel and became a citizen for the same reasons?

How does "it"expert legal analysis miss these facts?

Now to the other genius who writes in and says he does not read more than one sentence and is proud to be ignorant and

admit he won't read more than one sentence if you read this one please know, oh I aint done boys.

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[Rue]

Now imagine boys. All it takes is one person to write what I did. Not a desk full of parrots passing

on scripts handed to them.

Yes there are a lot of us in Canada that can do this. That's because we have freedom of speech and

were taught to think and communicate and express ourselves without someone cuing us what to repeat.

Now let's have the Hudson Jones site prove what I am saying is wrong. Lol

For your information the Israeli Arab population when surveyed in 2010 was estimated at 1,617,000, or 20.5% of the country’s population.

These people do not refer to themselves as a race but a nationality. You might want to explain that to "Hudson Jones" who repeatedly demonstrates its ignorance by referring to these people as a race.

You might also want to tell him and ask him to try deny the fact that these Arab Israelis also identify themselves as ISARELIS and have indicated they will not and do not want to renounce this citizenship.

Ask this H-Jones site then, if these people are so badly discriminated against, why do they refuse to renounce their citizenship? Hmmmm?

Where things can get confusing is the fact that Arab Israelis may want to marry Palestinians or are related to Palestinians and may want to bring them in to Israel to become citizens and the laws are restrictive in this manner.

These laws would be referred to by H Jones as discriminatory to Arab Israelis but they also apply to me the exact same way. I am not recognized as a reform Jew. That of course this propaganda site omits.

Of Israeli Arabs about 70% are Muslim. About 10% would be Christian and the remaining amount Druze.

Let's cut to the chase.

The current Palestinian Authority leader said he would never recognize Israel's right to be a JEWISH state. He did state if Israel allowed anyone identifying themselves as a Palestinian back into Israel and given citizenship, then and only then he would recognize Israel as a state.Of course, by then it would be majority Muslim and the state would like all other Muslim majority states be turned into a Sharia law state.

No one misses the comment. Its simply the rehashed statement that until Israel is disbanded as a Jewish state and turned back into a Muslim one,

Mr. Abbas will not be happy-and this is someone who wrote his university thesis in Egypt as to why the holocaust never happened and is defined by

the Western media as a moderate.

Then we have Hamas and Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt and Iran all calling for the removal of a Jewish state and replacing it with a

Muslim caliphate.

So let's stop beating around the bush.

The propaganda site "Hudson Jones" called for the destruction of Israel. When asked to clarify that, it remained silent.

This site has an agenda to replace Israel with a Muslim state that would discriminate against Jews and Christians and all other non Muslim believers.

So let us deal with this site head on when it comes on this forum, pretends to sound like its a Canadian citizen concerned about aboriginal peoples

or Palestinians. It could care less about either group.

This is an agitation propaganda site that only recognizes its own extreme agenda.

Until this site admits what it is and what it stands for-to come on this forum and pose as an agent criticizing racism is hilarious.

[Hudson Jones]

Oh, please. Many a "racist law" has been "accepted" in Canada and the U.S.;

Here is another chance for you to name one of these racist laws that we have in U.S. and Canada.

BC2004 failed and you will too in providing any examples.

It's time for you to show a little integrity and admit that Canada or U.S. would not allow any of the racist laws that Israel has against the one particular group.

[DogOnPorch]

Canada has the Employment Equity Act. The section dealing with 'visible minorities' is openly racist and assumes said 'visible minorities' face discrimination unlike other Canadians.

[jbg]

Canada has the Employment Equity Act. The section dealing with 'visible minorities' is openly racist and assumes said 'visible minorities' face discrimination unlike other Canadians.

Jews are certainly a "visible minority." Yet they never seem to qualify for this assistance.

Go figure.

[DogOnPorch]

Jews are certainly a "visible minority." Yet they never seem to qualify for this assistance.

Go figure.

It's a crazy system that I suppose was to eliminate Jim Crow attitudes in Canada. There were never any so-called Jim Crow laws and you do have to dig pretty hard to find events of outright white supremacy. But, guilty or not, all so-called 'Whites' will suffer the price for the past. Meanwhile, we have entire malls that are openly 'Asian'...try that trick as a Jew.

[Guest American Woman]

Jews are certainly a "visible minority." Yet they never seem to qualify for this assistance.

Go figure.

Religion, evidently, isn't a factor. Race is.

[jacee]

It's a crazy system that I suppose was to eliminate Jim Crow attitudes in Canada. There were never any so-called Jim Crow laws and you do have to dig pretty hard to find events of outright white supremacy. But, guilty or not, all so-called 'Whites' will suffer the price for the past. Meanwhile, we have entire malls that are openly 'Asian'...try that trick as a Jew.

There was plenty of discrimination in housing and employment and that's what our laws address.

The people who cry "discrimination" against whites are pissed at losing the white male privilege that gave them special treatment.

Now they have to compete on competence ... what a travesty!

[DogOnPorch]

There was plenty of discrimination in housing and employment and that's what our laws address.

The people who cry "discrimination" against whites are pissed at losing the white male privilege that gave them special treatment.

Now they have to compete on competence ... what a travesty

And here we see some of that attitude now. Like somehow I've denied 'visible minorities' housing when I've never have nor ever dreamed about doing such a thing. But, by golly...I'm gonna pay.

[Guest American Woman]

Now they have to compete on competence ... what a travesty!

Anyone who doesn't recognize that the advantage now often goes to a "visible minority" is living in denial.

[DogOnPorch]

Anyone who doesn't recognize that the advantage now often goes to a "visible minority" is living in denial.

Heh...I've worked for a Chinese property management company. If renters ever needed saving from discrimination...

[Hudson Jones]

Uhm. So that's BC2004 and AW who haven't been able to find any racist laws in Canada and U.S. despite their attempt to draw a parallel to Israel's racist and discriminatory policies.

Anyone else?

And let me bring back the facts below, so we can get back on track:

Discriminatory Laws in Israel

There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures. Some of the laws also violate the rights of Palestinians living in the 1967 OPT and Palestinian refugees.

Link

[Hudson Jones]

Jews are certainly a "visible minority." Yet they never seem to qualify for this assistance.

Go figure.

Israel is receiving over $3 billion in welfare money every year.

[Guest American Woman]

Uhm. So that's BC2004 and AW who haven't been able to find any racist laws in Canada and U.S. despite their attempt to draw a parallel to Israel's racist and discriminatory policies.

I'm not trying to draw a "parallel." Everything doesn't have to be "exactly as Israel does it" in order for their to be faults within our systems, too. However, you refuse to discuss Palestine's racist laws, Palestine's discriminatory policies, even as you criticze Israel non-stop while defending Palestine.

Most people here do not want to participate in one-sided 'discussions' about the Israel-Palestine conflict; ie: most here do not want to spam the board with a biased, one-sided agenda.

[Hudson Jones]

Even in the Palestinian territories, which Canada does not support, you will not see over 50 racist laws against a particular ethnic group.

The image that you and many Zionists want to create is that Israel is a true democracy, when in reality it is a racist state, with racist policies, not only against the Palestinians they are occupying, but also the Palestinian Israeli citizens.

You will not find any other country which is considered a democracy to have so many blatant, racist and discriminatory laws against one particular ethnic group.

It's time to be honest about Israel and how it is a racist state which practices democracy within 80% of the population while there are over 50 laws created that discriminate against 20% of the population of Israel, who are Palestinian Israelis.

[bush_cheney2004]

The U.S. Congress and President Obama have determined that Israel deserves even more aid in 2014 to continue the "racist laws" and IronDome:

Israel National News - The planned U.S. budget for the coming year, which was announced by President Barack Obama on Wednesday, maintains and even increases the American defense aid to Israel, Channel 10 News reported.

According to the numbers published, the United States will provide Israel with $3.4 billion in defense aid, a record number, according to Channel 10. The budget proposal submitted to Congress also includes a request for the addition of approximately $220 million to finance the Iron Dome anti-missile defense system, a request that was not included in last year's budget proposal, but was added later on.

http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/news/the-cost-of-israel-to-the-us/item/2647-new-us-budget-increases-aid-to-israel-for-2014-a-record-high-of-$34-billion-per-year

This is great news....any aid lost by Egypt can go to Israel. Just make it a round sum like $5,000,000,000 each year.

[Guest American Woman]

You will not find any other country which is considered a democracy to have so many blatant, racist and discriminatory laws against one particular ethnic group.

Our countries were considered democracies when there were many, many racist and discriminatory laws. A brush-up on history might be in order.

[-TSS-]

Hudson:

You should register yourself on this site.

http://smeggys.co.uk/

The forum-host speaks exactly like you do. You would make the best of friends.

[Rue]

Even in the Palestinian territories, which Canada does not support, you will not see over 50 racist laws against a particular ethnic group.

I am calling this site out again. The site has never been to the West Bank or Gaza.

I am calling this site out for its continuous refusal to properly identify itself and making such deliberately false statements.

Anyone who has in fact been to the Gaza or West Bank knows the above comment is past absurd.

Palestinians living on the West Bank are subject to rampant discrimination by their own authority.

In the GAza strip if you are not perceived a friend of Hamas you know what discrimination is all about.

The level of terror and control over every movement of the body and anything that can be said is real.

For this web site to suggest the governments of the West Bank or Gaza do not engage in an intolerant police

state preventing freedom of speech or recognition of individual opinion is absolute and utter tripe and to have

this site continue to come on and make such statements telling people to be honest when it makes such

outrageous statements and refuses to respond to debate and properly identify itself speaks for itself.

This thread has become a running gag on a propaganda site that has no idea how to dig itself out of its

rhetoric and has reduced itself to blatant falsehoods.

Someone explain to this propaganda site Arafat deliberately blew up the Land Titles office so that Palestinians

trying to protect their land titles suddenly had no records making it impossible for them to stop the PA from

seizing their land and giving it to their cronies.

Have this site explain that.

I saw it first hand. I saw people claiming to be Palestinian (and that is all you have to do at this point) literally

stealing land from other Palestinians by force. That this site won't tell you. It will stick to a selective script

that will talk of Israel on the West Bank.

I know legally of land transactions where Israeli companies bought land from Palestinians that caused the

Palestinian Authority to scream precisely because it was legal. Then they threatened any Palestinian doing the same.

That is another part of it.

I also know Israeli settlers who feel accountable only to God and their interpretation of the Bible. They are no

easy audience to deal with either but to continue to paint the West Bank as nirvana between Palestinians and

the only problems arising from Israel is absolute horse s.

[Hudson Jones]

Our countries were considered democracies when there were many, many racist and discriminatory laws. A brush-up on history might be in order.

Would any of the 50 racist laws in Israel be allowed in Canada? No.

Were you or BC2004 and the rest of the die-hard Zionists able to find racist laws in Canada and U.S. that would respond to your claim that Israel is the same as U.S. and Canada? No.

Looks like another lost battle.

I guess it's time for you to start comparing Israel to countries from 100 years ago and/or try to change the subject in order to take attention away from the fact that Israel is a racist country and you're an advocate of this racist country.

[bush_cheney2004]

Would any of the 50 racist laws in Israel be allowed in Canada? No.

Yes...such laws are still "allowed" in Canada and the U.S. Start with Canada's Indian Act(s) and the obvious reserve system "injustices" that persist to this day. Then try to tell Israel how "morally superior" you are. But always keep fooling yourself.

[Hudson Jones]

Yes...such laws are still "allowed" in Canada and the U.S. Start with Canada's Indian Act(s) and the obvious reserve system "injustices" that persist to this day. Then try to tell Israel how "morally superior" you are. But always keep fooling yourself.

What is about the Indian Act is racist and how does it relate to and compare to any of the more than 50 racist laws in Israel? Be more specific.

[Guest American Woman]

I guess it's time for you to start comparing Israel to countries from 100 years ago and/or try to change the subject in order to take attention away from the fact that Israel is a racist country and you're an advocate of this racist country.

This is rich. What, exactly, do you think you are an "advocate of?"

[Hudson Jones]

This is rich. What, exactly, do you think you are an "advocate of?"

I'm an advocate of truth and justice.

What are you an advocate of?