Guest Derek L Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 People who have done nothing illegal have no reason to keep quiet. You don't need lawyers to figure that out! Clearly you’re ignorant to Mr Wright’s reputation in the business world………He’s nothing to gain “going public” with a topic being investigated by the RCMP, an investigation that will ultimately clear him of any alleged legal wrongdoing. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 If he's done nothing illegal,ostensibly,he has nothing to worry about...Including speaking out! In fact,he's the lynch pin that could set the record straight...I suspect you're right that his lawyers have told him to be quiet...Unless he ends up having to testify under oath... Of course these are all assumptions...Like assuming the Prime Minister is telling the truth... An assumption of our legal system no doubt. Quote
Jimmy Wilson Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Clearly you’re ignorant to Mr Wright’s reputation in the business world………He’s nothing to gain “going public” with a topic being investigated by the RCMP, an investigation that will ultimately clear him of any alleged legal wrongdoing. An RCMP investigation,"that will ultimately clear him of any legal wrongdoing."... Inside knowledge? Edited October 30, 2013 by Jimmy Wilson Quote "Neo-conservativism,I think,is really the aggrandizement of selfishness.It's about me,only me,and after that,me.It's about only investing in things that produce a huge profit for yourself.It's NOT about society as a whole and it tends to be very insensitive to those people,who for one reason or another,have fallen beneath the poverty line and it's engaged in presumptions that these people are all poor because they are lazy.Neo-conservatives believe that fundamentally..." Senator Hugh Segal
On Guard for Thee Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Harper tried to be quiet, but of course you're PM and when it's question period on the opening day of parliament with a scandal raging, it doesn't look good to hide behind a secretary. So he did eventually get to his feet and rattle off the same old talking points, ad nauseaum. I'm not sure which approach hurt him worse. Quote
Jimmy Wilson Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 An assumption of our legal system no doubt. No...But I'm seeing certain ideological types taking the PM at his word... I'm not prepared to do so...I'm also not prepared to take Mr. Duffy at his word... Quote "Neo-conservativism,I think,is really the aggrandizement of selfishness.It's about me,only me,and after that,me.It's about only investing in things that produce a huge profit for yourself.It's NOT about society as a whole and it tends to be very insensitive to those people,who for one reason or another,have fallen beneath the poverty line and it's engaged in presumptions that these people are all poor because they are lazy.Neo-conservatives believe that fundamentally..." Senator Hugh Segal
Guest Derek L Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 An RCMP investigation,"that will ulitmately clear him of any illegal wrongdoing."... Inside knowledge? Fix your quote first Quote
Guest Derek L Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 No...But I'm seeing certain ideological types taking the PM at his word... I'm not prepared to do so...I'm also not prepared to take Mr. Duffy at his word... That's fine.......But the assumption of innocence is the bedrock our legal foundation is built upon…….And of course, only the four Senators and Mr Wright are currently being investigated by the RCMP. Quote
Jimmy Wilson Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 That's fine.......But the assumption of innocence is the bedrock our legal foundation is built upon…….And of course, only the four Senators and Mr Wright are currently being investigated by the RCMP. Interesting.. It seems the Prime Minister,and his office, isn't a fan of Due Process... Quote "Neo-conservativism,I think,is really the aggrandizement of selfishness.It's about me,only me,and after that,me.It's about only investing in things that produce a huge profit for yourself.It's NOT about society as a whole and it tends to be very insensitive to those people,who for one reason or another,have fallen beneath the poverty line and it's engaged in presumptions that these people are all poor because they are lazy.Neo-conservatives believe that fundamentally..." Senator Hugh Segal
Guest Derek L Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Interesting.. It seems the Prime Minister,and his office, isn't a fan of Due Process... And what would indicate that to you? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 A couple of points of interest I'm looking fwd to as they play out in the next few days are first, I won't be surprised if Duffy doesn't have a few more little volleys to fire, and second, that I doubt the senate will get this vote done before the weekend, or if they do, they will lose. Which is of course all the more reason they won't try it. And then of course it's convention time with some large clouds hovering over Calgary. For Harper's sake I hope they keep all busses clear of the convention center. Quote
August1991 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 More like, Harper made him a Senator on the condition that he claim residency expenses in PEI, so that it appears he's actually living there. Duffy was caught and Harper tried to wash his hands of it.No, Harper made Duffy/Wallin senators for their ability to raise cash. ADSCAM is a real scandal.Agreed. But the Media is left-wing and right politicians have to live with this fact. It seems exactly like something he would agree to. He didn't want the media or anyone else knowing that he appointed a PEI senator who wasn't living in PEI. When the shit hit the fan, he tried to make it disappear. When it wouldn't disappear, he tried to turn Duffy into a bulletproof vest and Duffy wasn't having any of it.Here's my take: Harper wanted Duffy, Duffy wanted money, and so Harper said: claim PEI as your residency and you'll get extra money. (Harper should have said: the CPC will find a way to compensate you for your fundraising skills - but Harper does not think outside the box. Jean Charest received a monthly stipend from the Quebec Liberal Party. Why didn't the CPC pay Duffy the same? It eventually did.) Then, when the "shit hit the fan", Duffy refused to pay and the PMO used Wright to solve "the problem" who would eventually get reimbursed from the CPC. (If I were a journalist, I would look for the $90,000 cheque from Arthur Hamilton to Nigel Wright.) Like Watergate, this is a case of an over-ambitious, tough-but-neophyte, right-wing politician who makes a mistake, covers it up, and then gets destroyed by the left-wing media. As Nixon said: "I screwed up on the one thing that I was supposed to be good at: politics." ---- It's hard to be a right wing politician in the West. Quote
Jimmy Wilson Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) No, Harper made Duffy/Wallin senators for their ability to raise cash. Agreed. But the Media is left-wing and right politicians have to live with this fact. Here's my take: Harper wanted Duffy, Duffy wanted money, and so Harper said: claim PEI as your residency and you'll get extra money. (Harper should have said: the CPC will find a way to compensate you for your fundraising skills - but Harper does not think outside the box. Jean Charest received a monthly stipend from the Quebec Liberal Party. Why didn't the CPC pay Duffy the same? It eventually did.) Then, when the "shit hit the fan", Duffy refused to pay and the PMO used Wright to solve "the problem" who would eventually get reimbursed from the CPC. (If I were a journalist, I would look for the $90,000 cheque from Arthur Hamilton to Nigel Wright.) Like Watergate, this is a case of an over-ambitious, tough-but-neophyte, right-wing politician who makes a mistake, covers it up, and then gets destroyed by the left-wing media. As Nixon said: "I screwed up on the one thing that I was supposed to be good at: politics." ---- It's hard to be a right wing politician in the West. So an avowed conservative is... Blaming the media for the ultimate (potential) downfall of Mr. Harper... Erm...yeah....That's a new one.... Edited October 30, 2013 by Jimmy Wilson Quote "Neo-conservativism,I think,is really the aggrandizement of selfishness.It's about me,only me,and after that,me.It's about only investing in things that produce a huge profit for yourself.It's NOT about society as a whole and it tends to be very insensitive to those people,who for one reason or another,have fallen beneath the poverty line and it's engaged in presumptions that these people are all poor because they are lazy.Neo-conservatives believe that fundamentally..." Senator Hugh Segal
On Guard for Thee Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 I suspect the reason nobody has heard from Nigel Wright is because Harper has promised him a senate seat down the road if he just keeps quiet for a while. Quote
August1991 Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) So an avowed conservative is... Blaming the media for the ultimate (potential) downfall of Mr. Harper... I'm not blaming the media for Harper's (or Nixon's) foul ups. I'm just saying right-wing politicians have to get things perfect, media-wise. Clinton, Chretien, Blair, Mitterand were "over-ambitious, tough-but-neophyte" politicians - but they got a free-pass. People like Mulroney, Harper, Chirac, Nixon, Berlusconi had less margin for error. Right wing politicians such as Thatcher, Kohl, Reagan had enough self-confidence and managed (more or less) to go over the left-wing media. Bush Jnr is a weak, modern equivalent. Edited October 30, 2013 by August1991 Quote
waldo Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 And what would indicate that to you? due process? You're really suggesting the Harper PMO is following "due process"? You mean the Harper PMO is for due process... in regards the related audit... in regards the related report... in regards alleged bribery... in regards the steamroller Senate proceedings... in regard the expulsion vote prior to the completion of RCMP investigations... etc., Just what is your definition of "due process"? Quote
waldo Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Clearly you’re ignorant to Mr Wright’s reputation in the business world………He’s nothing to gain “going public” with a topic being investigated by the RCMP, an investigation that will ultimately clear him of any alleged legal wrongdoing. with today's Harper vilification of Wright, you need to get your talking points straight... have you checked your email recently? When Harper speaks of Wright's deception, how does that fit with your claimed "knowledge of Wright's business reputation"... and what reaction you think Wright may have in order to, presumably, protect that reputation? Quote
bleeding heart Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 Where’s the Mens rea on the part of the PMO? Harper now claims that the deception came from the PMO. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 I'm not blaming the media for Harper's (or Nixon's) foul ups. I'm just saying right-wing politicians have to get things perfect, media-wise. Clinton, Chretien, Blair, Mitterand were "over-ambitious, tough-but-neophyte" politicians And these war-friendly, big-business friendly, Establishment-Centrist-Liberals are not quite what most people mean when they talk of "the left." If you are really going to jump on the reactionary train ride of claiming a "left-wing media," it would be even better if you could, well, provide some solid evidence for it. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
waldo Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 feel the burn! Latest poll from Ekos Research/iPolitics: - 40% of respondents believe the beleaguered and bullied, Mike Duffy - 18% of respondents believe Stephen Harper is telling the truth - 37% of respondents don't believe either Duffy or Harper Quote
PIK Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 feel the burn! Latest poll from Ekos Research/iPolitics: - 40% of respondents believe the beleaguered and bullied, Mike Duffy - 18% of respondents believe Stephen Harper is telling the truth - 37% of respondents don't believe either Duffy or Harper And ispo has it at 73% of canadians want all 3 gone without pay. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 And ispo has it at 73% of canadians want all 3 gone without pay. was Harper included in that mix? In any case, that poll doesn't speak to "believe" comparisons... the other poll I cited does, and it doesn't bode well for your team, hey PIK! Quote
Topaz Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Since there's so many things being said I found the timeline on this so anyone that wants to know, who, what and where here's the link.... http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/politics/inside-politics-blog/2013/10/the-duffywright-affair-a-timeline.html Edited October 30, 2013 by Topaz Quote
GostHacked Posted October 30, 2013 Report Posted October 30, 2013 More like, Harper made him a Senator on the condition that he claim residency expenses in PEI, so that it appears he's actually living there. Duffy was caught and Harper tried to wash his hands of it. That seems more plausible to me. Which would make this even more funny AND sad at the same time. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 31, 2013 Report Posted October 31, 2013 He's the Prime Minister, I guess and would hope that he would be smart enough to figure out someone's address. But he appointed him as the senator from PEI anyway. Four years later someone caught on. However I suspect the CPC coffers will still be well in the black after the fundraising abilities for which he was hired, and even after the payoffs. Quote
Topaz Posted October 31, 2013 Report Posted October 31, 2013 After reading the timeline, I noticed that Duffy said that either Wright or Tkachuk and Olsen told him "If you do as we want, the Prime Minister will publicly confirm that your entitled to sit as a senator from P.E.I. and you won't lose your seat" Now, how could any one say that, if the PM didn't know what was happening? Quote
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