punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 It makes perfect sense. How does moving all your weapons out of your country right before a war make any sense what so ever? Seriously it only make sense in the heads of "those who were there" because they think the bull they were sold at the time trumps real facts and evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Hard to get rid of something that doesn't exist isn't it? However in 2003 Iraq sent the UN a 25 report on how in 1991 they went about getting rid of that never agent I suggest if you care about this question you read it. So you also think Iraq did not have a chemical weapons program? Amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 No they existed and then were gotten rid of just like all the good Intel at the time said Shady. Just because South Africa at one time had a nuke doesn't mean the Us should invade them today. That is just the type of Conservative logic which cost American lives and why "well I was there so I know" attitude I am pointing out is abused. Then why did they refuse weapons inspections for 3 years? Why did they violate the terms of the cease fire they agreed to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 How does moving all your weapons out of your country right before a war make any sense what so ever? Seriously it only make sense in the heads of "those who were there" because they think the bull they were sold at the time trumps real facts and evidence. He wasn't going to win. Even Saddam figured that out early no matter the Iraqi Minister of Information. Why get caught with the smoking gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 So you also think Iraq did not have a chemical weapons program? Amazing. We know for a fact Iraq developed weapons what we now also know is Iraq complied with UN orders and destroyed those weapons long ago and documented all that information for the UN and anyone else to read. You want to know what happened to the VX nerve agent read the 25 report that Iraq sent to the UN on it in 2003 when they asked that same question. You don't actually care about the answers you want to make the same arguments that were made in 2003 that we now know are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 lol.... 'We' do not know anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Then why did they refuse weapons inspections for 3 years? Why did they violate the terms of the cease fire they agreed to? We know the answer to this to. Saddam feared others in the Region (Iran) knowing how weak his military and country was so he refused to ever show the proof that the weapons didn't exist. All this is well documented go read the reports on this seriously go pick up a book and read it you might learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 He wasn't going to win. Even Saddam figured that out early no matter the Iraqi Minister of Information. Why get caught with the smoking gun? That makes no sense what do ever. His only card is WMDs and being to use them on countries in the Region or his own populace. Saddam wasn't stupid he wouldn't give up his only trump card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 lol.... 'We' do not know anything. No you do not know anything. The rest of us who read the news and who have followed the evidence know quite I bit about Iraq, but I guess you were there so it doesn't matter you don't know anything right? Which is again my point, that is the worst argument ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shady Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 We know the answer to this to. Saddam feared others in the Region (Iran) knowing how weak his military and country was so he refused to ever show the proof that the weapons didn't exist. All this is well documented go read the reports on this seriously go pick up a book and read it you might learn something. Right. So he pretended he had such weapons. Well, his bluff was called. I guess he should have been more upfront, and realized that such actions, along with breaking the cease fire agreement could have pretty grave consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 No you do not know anything. The rest of us who read the news and who have followed the evidence know quite I bit about Iraq, but I guess you were there so it doesn't matter you don't know anything right? Which is again my point, that is the worst argument ever. There is no argument....a U.S. president and the prime ministers of three other nations decided to invade Iraq. So they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Right. So he pretended he had such weapons. Well, his bluff was called. I guess he should have been more upfront, and realized that such actions, along with breaking the cease fire agreement could have pretty grave consequences. Doesn't change the fact that the US Admin had little to no proof and most in the US Intel community told them he didn't have those weapons, that the UN inspectors asked for more time and said they thought he didn't have weapons and that in the end they were wrong. They were wrong and now history gets to judge them. Very few people believe the war was worth it and the more evidence comes out that the Bush Admin knew there weren't any WMDs the less people think your reason is a good one in the least. I am not defending Saddam I am saying that lying to the American people about sketchy intel is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 There is no argument....a U.S. president and the prime ministers of three other nations decided to invade Iraq. So they did. They sure did but we do get to argue about their reasons and justification to their people. History does get to judge them and that is happening already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Doesn't change the fact that the US Admin had little to no proof and most in the US Intel community told them he didn't have those weapons, that the UN inspectors asked for more time and said they thought he didn't have weapons and that in the end they were wrong. They were wrong and now history gets to judge them. Very few people believe the war was worth it and the more evidence comes out that the Bush Admin knew there weren't any WMDs the less people think your reason is a good one in the least. I am not defending Saddam I am saying that lying to the American people about sketchy intel is wrong. Complete and utter nonsense. There was intel of both pro-WMD and con-WMD. Nobody KNEW one way or the other. Your conspiracy theories are amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Right. So he pretended he had such weapons. Well, his bluff was called. I guess he should have been more upfront, and realized that such actions, along with breaking the cease fire agreement could have pretty grave consequences. Nope he never pretended to have those weapons. He was very clear he didn't have those weapons he sent all documents requested by the UN to the UN but he did make a mistake with weapon inspectors probably thinking that the inspectors opinions that if they were give just a few more months everything would be found out would be taken seriously by the US to bad the President of the US did not care what anyone with good intel was telling him at the time eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 They sure did but we do get to argue about their reasons and justification to their people. History does get to judge them and that is happening already. Same reason Nixon bombed Vietnam....because he wanted to and had the means to do so. No need to over think this for justification, as none was needed. The reasons were quite clear. Saddam Hussein is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Nope he never pretended to have those weapons. He was very clear he didn't have those weapons he sent all documents requested by the UN to the UN but he did make a mistake with weapon inspectors probably thinking that the inspectors opinions that if they were give just a few more months everything would be found out would be taken seriously by the US to bad the President of the US did not care what anyone with good intel was telling him at the time eh? Of course he pretended. You just said so yourself. As to not look weak to other countries in the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) ... if they were give just a few more months everything would be found out would be taken seriously by the US to bad the President of the US did not care what anyone with good intel was telling him at the time eh? So what...the goal was to invade Iraq and depose Saddam. The US Congress agreed, as did the PMs of other nations. Edited March 17, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Complete and utter nonsense. There was intel of both pro-WMD and con-WMD. Nobody KNEW one way or the other. Your conspiracy theories are amusing. Nope there was some really bad pro-WMD intel that everyone was saying was terrible and some really good con-WMD intel that almost all high ranking US intel officals agreed with. You again are trying to re write a history that is easily researched. The pro-WMD Intel was very very very bad in fact it was so bad that the President sometimes couldn't even get the US intel agencies to go on record with it and relied on intel from other nations to justify some of his reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Of course he pretended. You just said so yourself. As to not look weak to other countries in the region. He told the US straight up "I don't have anything you think I have an a got rid of them all in the 90s when you asked me to". This was backed up by many intelligence agencies at the time. The Senate wrote a whole report on it Shady maybe you should read it its called "Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq". We know what happened we know where the failings are stop pretending this isn't something that has already had countless books written on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 He told the US straight up "I don't have anything you think I have an a got rid of them all in the 90s when you asked me to". This was backed up by many intelligence agencies at the time. The Senate wrote a whole report on it Shady maybe you should read it its called "Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq". We know what happened we know where the failings are stop pretending this isn't something that has already had countless books written on it. Yep, he told them that, but then went on to not allow weapons inspections for several years, as well as tell a different story of his weapons capabilities to his military leadership, as well as other countries in the region. He bluffed, and lost. That's on him. Is there ever a day you're not defending a dictator in this forum? Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Yep, he told them that, but then went on to not allow weapons inspections for several years, as well as tell a different story of his weapons capabilities to his military leadership, as well as other countries in the region. He bluffed, and lost. That's on him. Is there ever a day you're not defending a dictator in this forum? Seriously. You live in Bizarro World Shady. We don't start wars because a leader lies to his country sorry. That is why we spending Billions and Billions of dollars on thing called Intel and all the best intel at the time we now know pointed to him having nothing. Which makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 (edited) You live in Bizarro World Shady. We don't start wars because a leader lies to his country sorry. That is why we spending Billions and Billions of dollars on thing called Intel and all the best intel at the time we now know pointed to him having nothing. Which makes sense. Had nothing to do with "intel' that 'we' ??? are spending billions on. The invasion of Iraq by the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and others was the continuation of more than 12 years of conflict stemming from Gulf War I. Edited March 17, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 Had nothing to do with "intel' that 'we' ??? are spending billions on. The invasion of Iraq by the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and others was the continuation of more than 12 years of conflict stemming from Gulf War I. We know that was true now it wasn't the reasons when we were being sold a big pile of garbage called WMDs and the terrorist connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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