Pope quits

[Peanutbutter]

What do you mean what does it have to do with anything? Look at the list of all the popes in the past. Every single one has been old, white and European. It's how they roll. It's not about racism but about how parochial they are.

You're wrong. Some Popes have been African in the past. It was centuries ago but still their have been black Popes.

[-TSS-]

The news of the pope quitting was full of interviews of people who said they were shocked to hear that the pope had quit. How on earth can anyone be shockked when an elderly man who is no longer up to the job, whatever the pope's job is, decides to step down.

Bad rumours are saying that the pope was forced to quit because there will be very unpleasant revelations ahead concerning the finances of the Vatican and if the man were still in charge it would jeopardise the whole institution. Instead now they can pick a new guy who will be able to say that he has nothing to do with the financial irregularities.

[jacee]

Pope will have security, immunity by remaining in the Vatican

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict's decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.

"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless. He wouldn't have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else," said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

[Peanutbutter]

Jacee, I think people will always try to find conspiracies when it has to do with large powerful groups.

[jacee]

Jacee, I think people will always try to find conspiracies when it has to do with large powerful groups.

No need to try hard in this case: They're lined up with lawsuits, criminal charges.

[Peanutbutter]

No need to try hard in this case: They're lined up with lawsuits, criminal charges.

What lawsuits against the RCC? What criminal charges against the RCC?

[jacee]

What lawsuits against the RCC? What criminal charges against the RCC?

Read above link.

Ratzinger orchestrated the Vatican 'response' to the sexual abuse issue, by covering it up - the 'cloak-and-shuffle'.

People are trying to hold him accountable.

[Hudson Jones]

And it continues:

Cardinal Favored to Become First Black Pope Blames Gay Priests for the Church’s Sexual Abuse Scandals

"African traditional systems kind of protect or have protected its population against this tendency," he said. "Because in several communities, in several cultures in Africa homosexuality or for that matter any affair between two sexes of the same kind are not countenanced in our society."

Link

[jacee]

And it continues:

Cardinal Favored to Become First Black Pope Blames Gay Priests for the Churchs Sexual Abuse Scandals

"African traditional systems kind of protect or have protected its population against this tendency," he said. "Because in several communities, in several cultures in Africa homosexuality or for that matter any affair between two sexes of the same kind are not countenanced in our society."

Link

Omigod.

The world's largest PEDOPHILE RING blames homosexuals.

How could any parent expose their child to the risk of associating with this heinous organization.

[August1991]

I've been tracking Cardinal RATzinger for years.

His policy is to punish anyone who SPEAKS of child molesters in the church, shuffle offenders around, and threaten to excommunicate victims and their families.

He doesn't know the difference between homosexuals and pedophiles. Once it was pointed out to him, he came up with 'pedophilia seems accepted by secular society'.

http://www.livescience.com/9179-pope-blames-1970s-society-pedophile-priests.html

The man's a bad stain on the Catholic church.

Most Catholics who pay any attention know that.

Jacee, I usually disagree with you. But in this case, I fear that you are right. Then again, you may be wrong.

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No Pope resigns. IOW, this Pope has resigned for a reason. The question is: what is the reason?

Edited February 23, 2013 by August1991

[Hudson Jones]

Jacee, I usually disagree with you. But in this case, I fear that you are right. Then again, you may be wrong.

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No Pope resigns. IOW, this Pope has resigned for a reason. The question is: what is the reason?

It's coming out:

Reports: Pope resigned after findings of blackmail, corruption, gay sex at Vatican

Link

[WIP]

If there is anyone here familiar with The Bugle Podcast by John Oliver and Andy Zaltzman, their most recent episode:

Bugle 224 – Papal Proton Packs

has everything I needed to hear about the Pope's resignation...begins at 6:05 "The Audacity Of Pope"

[Michael Hardner]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict's decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.

"His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless. He wouldn't have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else," said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

I have read that the resignation was engineered in order for the pope to protect himself, but that doesn't make sense. As the Pope he is both a citizen of the Vatican and its head of state. He would have had more protection if he'd stayed in power.

[jacee]

It's coming out:

Reports: Pope resigned after findings of blackmail, corruption, gay sex at Vatican

Link

Homosexuality is not a crime.

Pedophilia is the crime being covered up by the Vatican's smokescreen of blaming all the 'evils' on homosexuality.

[jacee]

I have read that the resignation was engineered in order for the pope to protect himself, but that doesn't make sense. As the Pope he is both a citizen of the Vatican and its head of state. He would have had more protection if he'd stayed in power.

I think he stepped down to protect the church from the outrage directed at him, as the designer and enforcer of the continuing cover up of systemic child abuse.

[Michael Hardner]

I think he stepped down to protect the church from the outrage directed at him, as the designer and enforcer of the continuing cover up of systemic child abuse.

That would make more sense - but we're still at the rumour point of this. Then again, the rumours are now being reported by reputable news organizations.

[Guest American Woman]

Then again, the rumours are now being reported by reputable news organizations.

As far as I've seen, the rumors reported by reputable (mainstream?) news organizations are being reported as "The Italian media is reporting ...." so it doesn't appear as if they have any information of their own.

[Michael Hardner]

As far as I've seen, the rumors reported by reputable (mainstream?) news organizations are being reported as "The Italian media is reporting ...." so it doesn't appear as if they have any information of their own.

You are absolutely correct. My assumption is that our media (say, The National Post) does in fact discern between Italian tabloids and legitimate rumours. But a legitimate rumour is still a rumour.

[jacee]

You are absolutely correct. My assumption is that our media (say, The National Post) does in fact discern between Italian tabloids and legitimate rumours. But a legitimate rumour is still a rumour.

If you're waiting for the Vatican to clarify or confirm the truth, don't hold your breath, Michael. That will never happen.

The fear of publicity is likely more relevant than the real fear of prosecution, but less tangible ... can't be confirmed.

[Guest American Woman]

You are absolutely correct. My assumption is that our media (say, The National Post) does in fact discern between Italian tabloids and legitimate rumours. But a legitimate rumour is still a rumour.

Yes, I agree; but still, the reality is that our media is not now reporting the rumors as you said, but reporting that the rumors are being reported in Italy - which is a different scenario. It's impossible to know if the rumors are true, of course, but judging from some of the comments coming out of the Vatican and possible replacements for Benedict, it doesn't sound as if there's been a major change of thinking/actions within the Vatican - which really doesn't add up if there's that great a fear of scandal within the Vatican, imo.

[Peanutbutter]

the continuing cover up of systemic child abuse.

You're claiming that the Catholic Church is telling its priests to abuse children which is totally false. You're making false statements and no one is calling you on it. You don't get to make things up because you don't like a religion. That's not how it works.

[Guest American Woman]

Omigod.

The world's largest PEDOPHILE RING blames homosexuals.

How could any parent expose their child to the risk of associating with this heinous organization.

Do you even know what a "pedophile ring" is?

[Guest]

You're claiming that the Catholic Church is telling its priests to abuse children which is totally false. You're making false statements and no one is calling you on it. You don't get to make things up because you don't like a religion. That's not how it works.

They are not telling their priests to abuse children, but there has been, for a long time, a concerted effort by the RC church to cover up the fact that many of its priests do do that. Even unto protecting them from the law and moving them to other locations where other children were put at risk.

[Bonam]

That would make more sense - but we're still at the rumour point of this. Then again, the rumours are now being reported by reputable news organizations.

Reputable news organizations? Ha

[Peanutbutter]

Its important to understand that this man is a great man of God who we should all respect. I find it hard to believe that he would have anything to do with hurting children. A few pedophile priests have been found to be hurting kids and have been dealt with.

The RCC says that the church made some mistakes in the sixties due to the hippies and allowed some homosexuals to become priests. This has led to the child abuse they say. They have now barred gays from the vocation afaik.

God bless and be well.