Sandy Hook Massacre Spawnes Conspiracy Theories

[Guest American Woman]

The people of the 13 British colonies of America were also British, so technically the British created the United States and wrote the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the US.

An independent nation wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution; the U.S. had declared independence while Canada had not.

[GostHacked]

So what about my video that I posted showing the cops chasing another person at the Sandy Hook scene?

[Canuckistani]

What about it? Confusion reigns during times like this. I seem to recall initially there was mention of a possible second shooter. Doesn't mean there was one.

[bush_cheney2004]

An independent nation wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution; the U.S. had declared independence while Canada had not.

Agreed....the Americans responded to British tyranny as Arnold Schwarzenegger said to Sharon Stone in Total Recall, "Consider this a divorce".

[GostHacked]

What about it? Confusion reigns during times like this. I seem to recall initially there was mention of a possible second shooter. Doesn't mean there was one.

Same scenario with the Aurora shootings. More than one gunman was mentioned at the start, even in the police radio audio that was released in both cases indicated more than one shooter.

[Canuckistani]

Same scenario with the Aurora shootings. More than one gunman was mentioned at the start, even in the police radio audio that was released in both cases indicated more than one shooter.

Are you saying any sort of conspiracy here? To me it makes sense that the cops would be looking for anybody else involved. They sure don't want to miss one, and in the confusion they don't really know how many there are. Basically when they burst on the scene, anybody is seen as a potential shooter. Except the 6 yr old kids, maybe.

[Accountability Now]

We were British, so since the British burned down the White House didn't we burn down the White House? No wait, it was actually the British!

Actaully....we were British, French and Native....not just British. It was the storied fable where the Brits, French and natives were all fighting against each other and then decided to join forces to defend the land against the Yanks. I agree completely that it wasn't Canada at the time but that war and the ideals behind fighting that war is what Canada was based on. Even today its supposed to be something that brought the three groups together but Quebec and the Natives still want out of Canada even though they had both given into the Brits for rights to Canada. Furthermore, if the Brits hadn't fought back against the Yanks then we'd all be one big country....which would mean that Bush-Cheney would have nothing to mock us about! Lol.

Sorry for intitally starting this arguement. It was all in good fun but I see it really has gotten away from the original thread.

[GostHacked]

Are you saying any sort of conspiracy here? To me it makes sense that the cops would be looking for anybody else involved. They sure don't want to miss one, and in the confusion they don't really know how many there are. Basically when they burst on the scene, anybody is seen as a potential shooter. Except the 6 yr old kids, maybe.

Well trying to stay on topic here without going into the whole 1812 or 1776 bull as we see going on here.

[BC_chick]

The clip I posted was I think from CBS, the view was from the police or news chopper overhead just after the shooting. All explained in the video, with the chopper footage.

The shooting was not a hoax, however there are some strange things with it. The medical examiner would not let the parents identify the bodies in person, instead he delivered photographs to the parents for verification. He said that during the 15 minute press conference he gave at the site. I've never heard of ID'ing bodies by picture alone, claiming to want to not traumatize the parents.

So how does Adam Lanza fit into all this?

[Guest Manny]

Cultural assessments are always relative. To say that Americans are conspiracy minded, as a Canadian, is relative to our viewpoint. Doubting authority is a long held American value, just as sniveling compliance is a trait of Canadians.

Ever read the book by Quisling?

[PIK]

Is that you shiva?

[Boges]

So how does Adam Lanza fit into all this?

I heard the guy on the radio say Adam Lanza is a plant. No one in Newtown knows who he is.

[Michael Hardner]

Ever read the book by Quisling?

David Frum recommends:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paranoid_Style_in_American_Politics

If you read about the debates in initiating the gold standard, there were exactly the same types of arguments you see on the web today.

[GostHacked]

So how does Adam Lanza fit into all this?

I am not exactly sure in all this. If there was indeed more than one shooter/suspect, then how does that affect the rest of the information the officials are telling us about? Were these others that they caught involved in the shootings? Where they just in the wrong place at the wrong time? I really don't know because that bit was quickly dropped and no further explanation. No other talk of anyone else being apprehended.

I have been looking at many of the vids people have put out describing the inconsistencies, some are really dumb, but some have some interesting items that do need to be looked at and considered.

I do think the shootings were real, this was not faked. One question I have is, why would the medical examiner only allow photos to the parents in order to identify the body. I know it's tough on a parent to lose a child, but for closure seeing the body in whatever shape it is in.. is what parents want/need to see.

[Michael Hardner]

I am not exactly sure in all this. If there was indeed more than one shooter/suspect, then how does that affect the rest of the information the officials are telling us about?

If there was more than one shooter or there is another suspect - then this means there was a cover-up.

[Canuckistani]

If there was more than one shooter or there is another suspect - then this means there was a cover-up.

Not if there is more than one suspect and the police are keeping quiet about it to help their investigation.

I doubt there were more than one shooter or suspect. Just the confusion of a scene like this, where everybody is a suspect until proven otherwise.

[Michael Hardner]

Not if there is more than one suspect and the police are keeping quiet about it to help their investigation.

I never thought of that. I agree with you that it's unlikely that that is the case. Surely more about this would come out by now ?

[GostHacked]

Not if there is more than one suspect and the police are keeping quiet about it to help their investigation.

I doubt there were more than one shooter or suspect. Just the confusion of a scene like this, where everybody is a suspect until proven otherwise.

I am wondering why the reports would not indicate that more investigation needs to happen instead of putting out all the facts at the start which some have been retracted or changed. In most other cases you see officials saying that the investigation is ongoing and cannot make specific comments at that time. But in this case, right from the start all the information was cited as true and then some had to be retracted changed.

I understand that information will change with new evidence, however, they should wait for some time until the evidence is vetted. The media is partially to blame as they love to sensationalize and hype every little thing. I'll post some stuff later that I have watched and well you and others can make up your own mind about it. Some is right out there, and some is actually worth looking into further.

[Canuckistani]

I am wondering why the reports would not indicate that more investigation needs to happen instead of putting out all the facts at the start which some have been retracted or changed. In most other cases you see officials saying that the investigation is ongoing and cannot make specific comments at that time. But in this case, right from the start all the information was cited as true and then some had to be retracted changed.

I understand that information will change with new evidence, however, they should wait for some time until the evidence is vetted. The media is partially to blame as they love to sensationalize and hype every little thing. I'll post some stuff later that I have watched and well you and others can make up your own mind about it. Some is right out there, and some is actually worth looking into further.

You sure about the officials claiming all information was true, or was that the media hyping things up? This had to be a very confusing event - I agree the officials should be circumspect. At the same time, they have to reassure people that things are safe now and try to get info to them regarding loved ones etc.

[GostHacked]

You sure about the officials claiming all information was true, or was that the media hyping things up?

Then there are two root possibilities here when you state it like that.

1 - Info was true and the media is warping the info to their benefit (sensationalizing for ratings)

2 - Info was not true, and the media was reporting the info they were given.

If the media was over hyping, sensationalizing all the information, to what end? Why would they do that?

The other scenario is quite troublesome as well. In each it means either the officials or the media is not coming clean with certain things.

This had to be a very confusing event - I agree the officials should be circumspect. At the same time, they have to reassure people that things are safe now and try to get info to them regarding loved ones etc.

I understand the reassurance, but can that be at the expense of facts/details? Or should it be at the expense of details/facts?

Edited January 18, 2013 by GostHacked

[Canuckistani]

Then there are two root possibilities here when you state it like that.

If the media was over hyping, sensationalizing all the information, to what end? Why would they do that?

Does this really need a reply?

The other scenario is quite troublesome as well. In each it means either the officials or the media is not coming clean with certain things.

I don't doubt that often happens. Don't see why it would in this case. Usually it happens when the police want to protect themselves, nobody seems to be pointing a finger at them in this case. Can you give an example of what was categorically stated to be true and later had to be retracted?

I understand the reassurance, but can that be at the expense of facts/details? Or should it be at the expense of details/facts?

Details, maybe - in the beginning. They can come out later. Actually lying, I'm not for.

I don't watch TV much, so my info comes from newspapers and forums such as this. So I'm not really clear on what you are mistatemetns you are referring to, but it seems like you are really wanting to claim some sort of conspiracy here without actually using the c word. Were there really more misstatements and retractions in this case than other calamities of this sort?

Edited January 18, 2013 by Canuckistani