First nations patiences waning

[Smallc]

Tearing up treaties signed in good faith is what youre suggesting.

The treaties were never really signed in good faith. Creating a society where all people are equal and are seen as such under the law would probably be worth it even if they were though. Times have changed.

[Argus]

Treaties need agreement from both signing parties to be updated.

The problem is the needs of the natives and the needs of the native chiefs are not always in sync.

A lot of native chiefs don't really want any change as they've got things pretty good right now. So they resist all change, and simply demand more money. So the government just shrugs and walks away.

[Argus]

In case you haven't noticed, the HoC is closed for the winter holidays. Theresa Spence should come back when the parliament reconvene next year. Honestly are people this stupid to hold a hunger strike just before the holidays?

Doesn't really matter. There's no way the PM is going to meet with someone based on them holding a hunger strike until he does. If he gave into that we'd see dozens of hunger strikes next year from mayors, town councilors, native chiefs, school board chairmen and various activist groups. If she dies, she dies, and hopefully the next chief will be smarter than her.

[Big Guy]

I do not think that you can die from publicly starving yourself in Canada. Before you die, you would lose consciousness and at that point the state would take over and start feeding intravenously, force feed or whatever. The state is not allowed to assist in suicide. The individual is then arrested and goes through a series of mental examinations. I believe that in Canada, the mere fact that you attempt to commit suicide deems you to be a person with a mental illness.

[Bryan]

Doesn't really matter. There's no way the PM is going to meet with someone based on them holding a hunger strike until he does. If he gave into that we'd see dozens of hunger strikes next year from mayors, town councilors, native chiefs, school board chairmen and various activist groups. If she dies, she dies, and hopefully the next chief will be smarter than her.

I think you're right. Ms. Spence has put herself in a position that is almost self-fullfilling. The Prime Minister can't and won't capitulate to everyone who says they won't eat until they see him. That in itself makes this just a stunt so that she can claim that she's showing what a bad guy the Prime Minister is by not seeing her. For her, the non-result is better, and she knows it.

[login]

I think you're right. Ms. Spence has put herself in a position that is almost self-fullfilling. The Prime Minister can't and won't capitulate to everyone who says they won't eat until they see him. That in itself makes this just a stunt so that she can claim that she's showing what a bad guy the Prime Minister is by not seeing her. For her, the non-result is better, and she knows it.

it is a leader of a community not just joe blow. this leader has had to declare a state of emergency.

if the major of calgary asked to see him due to a state of emergency and toxic waste being dumped in the water supply in calgary you think he'd go to talk?

this is just a few hundred or thousand natives,o gives a fuk about them, that is what his response says.

sticking the white rascist votes, gotta keep the party core on side right?

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[Argus]

it is a leader of a community not just joe blow. this leader has had to declare a state of emergency.

if the major of calgary asked to see him due to a state of emergency and toxic waste being dumped in the water supply in calgary you think he'd go to talk?

Possibly. He is, after all, an MP for Calgary. An MP owes more attention to local officials in his riding.

However, if the mayor of Vancouver went on a hunger strike over the possibility of oil being shipped from the port there, and said he wouldn't eat until Harper talked to him do you really think Harper would meet with the guy? I don't.

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[Bryan]

it is a leader of a community not just joe blow. this leader has had to declare a state of emergency.

It's a very small community, so yes, she really is just a Joe Blow. And that "state of emergency" was also just a publicity stunt done for the same purpose: to misdirect attention away from her incompetance as a leader.

if the major of calgary asked to see him due to a state of emergency and toxic waste being dumped in the water supply in calgary you think he'd go to talk?

If it was true, and not just a stunt, of course he'd go. On the flip side, if the feds offered help, I bet the mayor of Calgary wouldn't start attaching conditions on it.

sticking the white rascist votes, gotta keep the party core on side right?

I think you've made it pretty clear here who the racist is.

[login]

It's a very small community, so yes, she really is just a Joe Blow.

She is representative of other small communities facing the same problems.

It is views like yours that tend to show more dialogue is needed.

And that "state of emergency" was also just a publicity stunt done for the same purpose: to misdirect attention away from her incompetance as a leader.

People living in overcrowded conditions regularly is not healthy, it would contradict health code in pretty much every city in Canada.

If it was true, and not just a stunt, of course he'd go.

It was not a stunt on Day one, it is lack of engagement that is building the media attention. You think as the hunger strike days mount less attention will be paid?

On the flip side, if the feds offered help, I bet the mayor of Calgary wouldn't start attaching conditions on it.

and if they attempted to extrajudicially remove the mayor of Calgary and put in a private federal agent? You think the mayor might attach conditions?

I think you've made it pretty clear here who the racist is.

Yes, many members of the conservative party, are you contesting this. There is Two Teir Tony, there is Islamophobe Harper, there is what 100 other members? or so, how bout we conduct a poll? Do you consider yourself someone who is concerned about race and do you have any policy biases regarding race?

The only reason there is no meeting is because there may be an issue with continuing to rape them over a variety of issue including c45, which basically says i can piss in your cup.

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[Merlin]

[/color]Yes, many members of the conservative party, are you contesting this. There is Two Teir Tony, there is Islamophobe Harper, there is what 100 other members? or so, how bout we conduct a poll? Do you consider yourself someone who is concerned about race and do you have any policy biases regarding race?

The only side that brings up race and talks about it constantly is the left side. The left is constantly trying to make many issues about race. The left seeks to point out how different we are instead of looking for ways we are alike. I'm not sure if they do this to force a wedge between sides. Is this the same ploy used to show how unions are different from management? I don't know but it wouldn't surprise me.

[Canuckistani]

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People living in overcrowded conditions regularly is not healthy, it would contradict health code in pretty much every city in Canada.

We have people in Vancouver who would love to live in overcrowded conditions, because they live on the street. Most people, if they want a decent place to live, they go to work so they have the money so they can buy or rent one. They don't go on hunger strikes so the govt will give them mo money.

[login]

We have people in Vancouver who would love to live in overcrowded conditions, because they live on the street. Most people, if they want a decent place to live, they go to work so they have the money so they can buy or rent one. They don't go on hunger strikes so the govt will give them mo money.

well way back when the government made a deal with them that in exchange for using their land they would live on the reserve. Now you are suggesting they don't live on the reserve, how about all their land is given back then they can rent it to the government. landlords make tons of money. they can raise the rent too

all them diamonds sure made deboers a ton of cash

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that is the western cree

Brazeua is coming off as a "token Indian"

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[Sleipnir]

The only side that brings up race and talks about it constantly is the left side. The left is constantly trying to make many issues about race. The left seeks to point out how different we are instead of looking for ways we are alike.

You are so closed minded.

I think you're right. Ms. Spence has put herself in a position that is almost self-fullfilling. The Prime Minister can't and won't capitulate to everyone who says they won't eat until they see him. That in itself makes this just a stunt so that she can claim that she's showing what a bad guy the Prime Minister is by not seeing her. For her, the non-result is better, and she knows it.

Quoted for the truth.

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[login]

it is inciting violence. the pm should have delt with this yesterday.

perhaps the problem is really that it eats into his 159 paid vacation days each year

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[Smallc]

perhaps the problem is really that it eats into his 159 paid vacation days each year

I doubt he gets one actual day off.

[login]

I doubt he gets one actual day off.

he is in parliament more than one day a year

[Merlin]

You are so closed minded.

My eyes are wide open. The left is always pointing to race. Either to show how different we are or to show why we should treat other races differently.

This is wrong. There is one Canada and one Canadian. We don't need to divide ourselves. Divide and conquer is exactly what the left wants. Let's not feed into that type of thinking and open our eyes to what's really going on in Canada. Let's not look at our differences like the left wing wants but instead look for ways we are alike. Let's celebrate our likeness not look at our differences as ways to stay apart.

[Sleipnir]

My eyes are wide open. The left is always pointing to race. Either to show how different we are or to show why we should treat other races differently.

You don't see me pointing to race.

This is wrong. There is one Canada and one Canadian. We don't need to divide ourselves. Divide and conquer is exactly what the left wants.

You must be one of the left then.

[Rocky Road]

"When you think everything is someone else's fault you will suffer a lot. When you realize that everything springs only from yourself, you will learn both peace and joy." - Dalai Lama

[PIK]

So justin was allowed to speak to that chief on the hunger strike ,but nobody from the cons or the NDP were allowed. Sounds more political then anything.

[login]

So justin was allowed to speak to that chief on the hunger strike ,but nobody from the cons or the NDP were allowed. Sounds more political then anything.

false info

mulcair also spoke with her and angus is ndp

stephen harper was very much invited

she wants to talk with their leader beacuse in part he is suppose to be head of government

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[Merlin]

false info

mulcair also spoke with her and angus is ndp

stephen harper was very much invited

she wants to talk with their leader beacuse in part he is suppose to be head of government

Sorry but every citizen who poses a hunger strike doesn't get to have a private audience with the PM of Canada.

[scribblet]

Was he actually 'invited' or is it just a demand/blackmail.

[Moonbox]

false info

mulcair also spoke with her and angus is ndp

stephen harper was very much invited

she wants to talk with their leader beacuse in part he is suppose to be head of government

What's Trudeau the leader of, exactly? Meeting with a representative of the government doesn't preclude the possibility of meeting with its leader, but for the Chief of a small armpit reserve in the middle of nowhere to petulantly refuse to meet with the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs but then go ahead to meet with technical nobodies like Trudeau makes it pretty clear that she's not interested in anything but bullying/embarrassing Harper. Someone like that does not have the resolve to be a martyr. I'll bet good money right now that this goes on for awhile longer, and she eventually gets called on her bluff. To save face, she'll have some of her backers take her to the hospital for food deprivation and call it a "medical emergency", and then she'll come out raving about how heartless the PM is for being perfectly happy with her starving to death.

Bluff called here. This will, however, escalate.

[login]

Sorry but every citizen who poses a hunger strike doesn't get to have a private audience with the PM of Canada.

you are being ignorant

read the background and her 'demands' she is requesting a conference with the pm a representative of the crown and the first nations

the pm is the only official hold out so far

this is part of the constitutional requirement to consult the first nations

unilateral action effecting native reserves without consultation is unethical and unconstitutional

natives have suffered debilitating illness as a result of water quality caused by industrial pollution in the pulp and oil industries to name two. people have been destroyed by water contamination, now the pm is supporting more first nations be maimed via water contamination.

native waterways are a big part of native life. especially in the north where cree hunt and fish as their normal life, the cree are also somewhat soverieg and have un recognition.

they shouldn't have to put up with crap like

http://www.nupge.ca/...ic-human-rights

The Committee ruled that “historical inequities… and certain more recent developments… threaten the way of life and culture of the Lubicon Lake Band and… so long as they continue” constitute a violation of the right to culture as protected by the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights [CCPR/C/38/D/167/1984].

This landmark step recognized the vital importance of lands and territories to Indigenous Peoples’ enjoyment of their collective and individual human rights. The decision contributed to the adoption of UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in September 2007, a declaration that Canada has up to very recently, refused to sign.

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the pm is willing to go to mumbai to at the tax payers expense for photo ops but ain;t willing to go a block from parliament to hold the country together and defend human. political and civil rights in Canada.

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