login Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) it was only visuals you don't want to feel 9 gs if you don't need to. the visual feild is just a matter of putting the user in a sphere a d having the data coming in, but ai in an advanced comoutational system ismthe only answer. programmed biocompjtation is much better than most electronic solid state solutions humans are to physically limited for air superiority once the automated drone comes in. yeah cause blackouts can happen.. also the benefit of control mockup is that it can be used with multiple systems not just fighters you would expect a hybrid failsafe initially with human ai/control as once in a compramised or executive function control would need to be 100% ai and ideally with a biocomputational device sphereical displays are a well developed technology there are even both emulated a layered depth recreation screens aviation is increasingly becoming just computer tracked and controlled systems anyway humans just are an executive function, they degrade combat effectiveness thougn, to insure trust, even a portable system is an easy fix through multi wicking mesh and timed projection in 360 degree via stage lighting style projection trust does have its place but there is no argumet against drones over compant aircraft if controlled by biocomputational ai http://www.iptvmagaz...D_Displays.html Edited December 27, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Actually...'feeling the Gs' are part of situational awareness. Are you upside down? In a port turn? Falling leaf?? You can't tell by looking at a blank screen....and instruments fail. Blackouts are something you train for while wearing G-suits. Plus, I'm guessing that you also have some experience with video games but not so much with actual flight. Perhaps I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Funny how spending a bil a year on jets gets the left riled up, but spending a bil a year on a radio/tv station is quite fine. The amount we have gave the CBC in the last 75 years would pay off the national debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 thats where the arrow came from. toook some twidling but it flew. The Avro Arrow was designed and build in someone's home garage? Where was the R and D? Someone's bathroom? nope. there are computers that can do the whole thing You really have no idea what yo are talking about do you? I GIVE YOU JELLO YOU DON'T MAKE ME JELLO Nice argument...I would expect nothing less of you than random comments about Jello that have nothing to do with the question at hand. Good Job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Actually...'feeling the Gs' are part of situational awareness. Are you upside down? In a port turn? Falling leaf?? You can't tell by looking at a blank screen....and instruments fail. Blackouts are something you train for while wearing G-suits. Plus, I'm guessing that you also have some experience with video games but not so much with actual flight. Perhaps I'm wrong. It's a fact that flying a simulator with the motion turned off is more difficult that when it is on. As a pilot, when you do something, you expect the sensation that comes with the action you have taken. A contest between a remote control aircraft where the operator has no such feedback, and a manned aircraft where its pilot does, would be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) its not difficult, ip is part of the problem making a jet fighter is easy. this ain't 1960 No doubt that as well as building one in a garage, you could build an F1 car on your lunch break. that was half a century agothat was half a century ago because it is The first purpose built fighter aircraft went into service on the Western Front in 1915, almost 98 years ago. The first jet fighters went into service in 1944, 68 years ago. Edited December 27, 2012 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Actually...'feeling the Gs' are part of situational awareness. Are you upside down? In a port turn? Falling leaf?? You can't tell by looking at a blank screen....and instruments fail. Blackouts are something you train for while wearing G-suits. Plus, I'm guessing that you also have some experience with video games but not so much with actual flight. Perhaps I'm wrong. nope actually they arn't beneficial they are debilitating and an occupational health risk. any negative g's you are suffering brain damage having damage reporting is useful but environemental (craft tactile) awareness is not productive in modern aircraft feeling a kinetic sense more directly tied to craft status is truely beneficial. human effect is a filter in actual aircraft but craft operation is all sensors. "n g-forces move the blood away from the brain to the extent that consciousness is lost." high g flight is very stressing and a health risk, A further increase in g-forces will cause G-LOC where consciousness is lost. This is doubly dangerous because, on recovery as g is reduced, a period of several seconds of disorientation occurs, during which the aircraft can dive into the ground. Dreams are reported to follow G-LOC which are brief and vivid. Edited December 27, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 nope actually they arn't beneficial tbey are debilitating and an occupational health risk. any negative g's you are suffering brain damage Extreme g's are but g means gravity and without it, it's very difficult to orient yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Extreme g's are but g means gravity and without it, it's very difficult to orient yourself. the point was flying supersonic jets is a health risk flying a drone wouldn't be exposed to, it also allows for more capable craft meaning faster manouver and evasionwhere applicable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 nope actually they arn't beneficial they are debilitating and an occupational health risk. any negative g's you are suffering brain damage having damage reporting is useful but environemental (craft tactile) awareness is not productive in modern aircraft feeling a kinetic sense more directly tied to craft status is truely beneficial. human effect is a filter in actual aircraft but craft operation is all sensors. "n g-forces move the blood away from the brain to the extent that consciousness is lost." high g flight is very stressing and a health risk, It has become obvious that you do not know what you're talking about. Carry on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) It's a fact that flying a simulator with the motion turned off is more difficult that when it is on. As a pilot, when you do something, you expect the sensation that comes with the action you have taken. A contest between a remote control aircraft where the operator has no such feedback, and a manned aircraft where its pilot does, would be interesting. motion perception can be done throught a variety of sense inputs Edited December 27, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Extreme g's are but g means gravity and without it, it's very difficult to orient yourself. During the old STS missions, astronauts would often get very space sick if they were looking at a clip board (or something that was held and filling one's vision) and the RCS turned on rotating the craft. The Shuttle rotated...the astronaut didn't....puuuuuuuke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Brain trauma such as blood loss increases the risk of developing dementia, Parkinson's disease, and/or depression. the main issue jet pilots face is repeated exposure to small scale brain damage which is accumulative -- keep an eye on the heartrate that is the HR number on the top roght Edited December 27, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 the point was flying supersonic jets is a health risk Participating in military/combat operations may pose a health risk. More on this groundbreaking story at 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Participating in military/combat operations may pose a health risk. More on this groundbreaking story at 11. and commands job is to reduce and remove risks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 and commands job is to reduce and remove risks By using vehicles and equipment in tasks they are ill suited for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) By using vehicles and equipment in tasks they are ill suited for? would you rather walk? Edited December 27, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals.Cpl Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 would you rather walk? I would rather know I have nothing than falsely believe that I have something. I have suffered with enough of these idiotic decisions to know I am better off knowing I have nothing and making my plans based on that than rather than assume I have something to do the job which when all is considered is useless case in point LSVW.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 the point was flying supersonic jets is a health risk flying a drone wouldn't be exposed to, it also allows for more capable craft meaning faster maneuver and evasionwhere applicable Yes but the trick is knowing where to maneuver them. Despite all the gee wiz stuff, seat of the pants is still a part of air combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 motion perception can be done throught a variety of sense inputs Yes they can and as DOP has pointed out, without gravity, some of them can make you puke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) I would rather know I have nothing than falsely believe that I have something. I have suffered with enough of these idiotic decisions to know I am better off knowing I have nothing and making my plans based on that than rather than assume I have sometuhing to do the job which when all is considered is useless case in point LSVW.... maybe a shuttle bus for people living in edmonton that way they wouldn't have to driive it, but no like facilities procurement is a boon dogle. the problem is one shot solutions. equipment needs to be modular and adaptable to fit all scenarios, canada is large enough to have its own military industrial complex for its equipment based on modularity, but for various reasons, they choose to buy other peoples stuff based on approximate usability. this is part of the reason I support a militia and a tax deduction to buy your own kit for all citizens, as well as domestic canadian product with the gov as the sales point of the equipment, Edited December 27, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) During the old STS missions, astronauts would often get very space sick if they were looking at a clip board (or something that was held and filling one's vision) and the RCS turned on rotating the craft. The Shuttle rotated...the astronaut didn't....puuuuuuuke. Didn't make me puke but I can recall momentary panic attacks after parking an aircraft with my head down doing house keeping chores, my peripheral vision picked up the bridge moving toward the aircraft and my brain interpreted it as the aircraft rolling backward. The brain can do strange things when it only has one sense to work with. Edited December 27, 2012 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Yes but the trick is knowing where to maneuver them. Despite all the gee wiz stuff, seat of the pants is still a part of air combat. huh? what are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Yes but the trick is knowing where to maneuver them. Despite all the gee wiz stuff, seat of the pants is still a part of air combat. nothing ai cant do in the air human can. only problem is bad design Edited December 28, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 nothing ai cant do in the air human can. only problem is bad design So go design something better. Let us know when you're done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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