Did you Support Israel Attack on Palestine

[jbg]

no, they are not. People here are siding with the International Terrorist group Hamas. That's disgusting! People are openly siding with terrorists!

Duh.

I remember even with the massacre of the Israeli Olympic athletes there were paeans to the rights of the "Palestinians."

[jacee]

There were plenty of such treaties with the FN. All broken. However, I do see the point that when 95% of the original FN died or natural causes there should not be 100% of the land set aside for them.

"natural causes"

So by extension once an aggressor clears the land of inhabitants, the aggressor takes possession of the land ... Gaza, for example?

I'm hopeful about the new movement to a "bi-national state".

[jacee]

I do not hate Muslims. I hate terrorism in all its forms. I was asking a legitimate question as Hudson Jones seems to really hate the Jewish people. He lumps them altogether as one whereas I do not do that at all.

You have a lot of "hates" and a lot of phobias Merlin/MrC, and you project them onto other people very harshly and where not warranted.

May have something to do with why you were banned:

Address the post without attacking the person and maybe you'll be around longer.

[-TSS-]

Israel is such a small strip of land that if they get a whiff that any of their neighbours is having nuclear weapons Israel must make a pre-emptive strike. One strike into Israel and the whole country becomes uninhabitable for decades.

[Rue]

Israel launched the first rockets and now they are crying foul when Palestine defends itself. This is typical behaviour from the right wing types who defend Israel. Israel is a terrorist state yet many posters here take their side. Interesting.

At least get your facts right. I notice other anti Israels write in acting as if Israel operates in a vacum and like you try revise the time line to misrepresent it to suggest Israel for no reason just launches missile attacks.

You really want to try that tactic again?

The facts are there for anyone to follow the time line and if you want to deny them it just speaks to your credibility.

On Nov. 10 there was a missile attack from Gaza that started this latest tit for tat. How about you find out what happened on Nov.10. Try that.

The fact is since the Syrian terror cell which believes in terrorism took over Hamas from the Muslim Brotherhood cell controlled by thee Egyptians, rocket attacks in Israel have been a daily occurrence. People like you have no clue what has gone on. You sit thousands of miles way and cast judgement and try revise history because you do not know what is going on.

In fact the Muslim Brotherhood faction controlled by Egypt when it ran Hamas did not agree to any violence with Israel.During that time period Yasir Arafat ran the Gaza but was intercepting all foreign aid for himself. That is a fact.

Gaza citizens became so impoverished because of Arafat's coruption they turned to Hamas which at least was not corupt. Israel funded charities indirectly related to this Hamas and those funds built roads, bridges, schools, mosques, hospitals, recreation centres, roads and greenhouses to feed the people and Palestinians went to work in Israel.

Clearly Israel's government showed it was willing to live with a Palestinian state next door and help it.

A cell from Syria funded by Iran and its proxy Hezbollah with full support from the Assad regime violently took control of Hamas and blew up the roads, schools, mosques and placed burning tires around the necks of Palestinians who dared work in collarboration with Israel.

It went door to door killing Palestinians it accused of being Israeli allies with no trials. Eventually it turned on Arafat and Fatah murdering thousands of its supporters in the streets.

To call Hamas freedom fighters is a joke. They murder and light on fire their own citizens who they disagree with. They use their citizens as targets deliberately placing their rocket launchers,oeprations planning and militart stockpiles in hospitals, schools, mosques and residentialdwellings deliberately placing its civilians in harms way to get them killed as a propoganda tool to gain sympathy.

This Hamas cell has allowed continuous rocket fire into Israel for over 7 years. When Israel withdrew from Gaza after Hamas said it would not attack them if they left, the day they left they commenced rocket attacks 7 years ago and they have gone on since. People like you ignore this.

You totally ignore it and try revise the situation as if Israel has nothing better to do then shoot rockets into Gaza.

There has been a huge change since Mubarak was disposed. Since he was removed from office, Hamas has been free to bring in rockets from Iran via Syria. Hamas has stockpiled Iran rockets capable of hitting Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. No longer does it use skud missiles.

Egypt;s current Muslim Brotherhood is no friend of Hamas' Syrian cell but sucks up to them because the current Muslim Beotherhood in Egypt knows to unify its own people and gain popularity the best way to do that is to be seen being tough on Israel.

The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt for public consumption will back Hamas but behind the scenes backs its Sunni Brothers in Syria who are in a civil war against Assad who is propped by Hezbollah and the current Hamas in Gaza.

The increase in rocket fire by Hamas is meant to take attention away from Assad's continuous losses and distract the Sunni Muslim opposition away from Assad and back to the Palestinian conflict.

Iran and its proxy Hezbollah needed a distraction from internal politics in Lebanon as its citizens and press began questioning Hezbollah's assasination of its leader and how Syria and Hezbollah operate as allies to control Lebanon.

Iran deliebrately fuels tensions in Gaza to send Israel a message it will use Hezbollah and Hamas as third columns in any attacks on Iran and that it will continue to support Syria.

Its not an accident as well that the Nov. 10 rocket attack by Hamas via the Popular Resistance Movement an allied cell ha[ppened in response to Israel firing into Syria after pro Assad forces shot missiles into Israel.

Some of us do take the time to follow the intricate maze of conflicts that trigger each other of which only one is the Hamas-Israel conflict.

Unlike you we follow time lines and don't pretend they have not happened.

The fact is Israel is responding to a war of attrition with Iran which uses the Hezbollah, Syrian Assad forces and Hamas to do its bidding.

The irony is watching Turkey in all this blasting Israel while it responds to Syria no differently than Israel did and it kills and slaughters Kurds seekng independence from them far worse than anything Israel has had to do in response to Hamas.

As well take the time to look at how Hamas launched this attack because it did not want Abbas to create a Palestinian state at the UN and undermine its authority.

How about you and the other anti Israeli experts on this forum at least take the time to analyze the cause and effect of the entire spectrum of Middle East politics.

Stop pretending Israel acts in a vacum. Stop pretending Hamas are a bunch of innocent freedom fighters. They are facists. They kill their own people. They are extremist in Muslim beliefs. They consider all Jews in the world their enemy that need to be killed. They want all of Israel and Jordan turned into a Muslim sharia law state. They want to kill King abdullah in Jordan and they want to rule Syria and Lebanon as well and eventually create one state of them all.

Stop trying to pretend this is an isolated incident. Better still leave your sheltered world and travel to Israel and speak to the i million people that live with the missiles being shot at them daily. Ask them what is going on. Sit with them whent he sirens go off.

They suffer no differently than the Palestinian civilians do. They both want peace and arm chair experts like you have no clue of their reality.

[Rue]

You have a lot of "hates" and a lot of phobias Merlin/MrC, and you project them onto other people very harshly and where not warranted.

May have something to do with why you were banned:

Address the post without attacking the person and maybe you'll be around longer.

He did not make personal attacks. He questioned Hudson Jones stereotyping of Israelis and those who suppport Israel. So do I. Husdon Jones suggested anyone who supports Israel is a Nazi. Go read his inference. If Merlin responded its to those kinds of comments.

If someone comes on this forum and engags in personal attacks against all Israelis or Jews, then another calls him on it, its not a personal attack.

Oh I know the game. The very people who attack others, are the first to run to the moderator and complain.

How about you. How about you go complain about me for saying that.

Then I can get warning number 10.

[Rue]

"natural causes"

So by extension once an aggressor clears the land of inhabitants, the aggressor takes possession of the land ... Gaza, for example?

I'm hopeful about the new movement to a "bi-national state".

Right...a bi-national state. Yes of course. There are so many in the Middle East. For sure. Sharia law believes in bi national states. I mean look at how tolerant sharia law states are of minorities. Let's start. Sudan. Ooops. O.k. so they shoot and kill black Christians. Say I know, Egypt. Ooops I forgot Coptic Christians have issues. Oh say I know, Syria. Ooops hey do have problems with Kurds, Berbers,Assyrians, Druze,Sunnis, oh never mind. Say I know Lebanon. Hmmm no. Never mind. I hear the Sunnis, Shiites and Christians have problems there. Say I know Iraq. Its Kurds,Sunis and Shiites get along real well. Oops. O.k. how about Iran.Oh wait, it does have issues with Bahaiis, Christians, gays, Sunnis, feminists, Jews, atheists, ok never mind. Say I know Saudi Arabia. Uh guess not. Oh wait Yemen. Um never mind.

Bi national state. Right. Sharia law states impose apartheid and religious institutionalized aparthied called dhimmitude, but you of course never head of that.

Of course you also have never head that in Israel, Christians and Muslims are given the same legal rights to vote, own land, etc., as Jewish Israelis. No not you. In your world Israel is of course an apartheid state right and the rest of the Middle East is a model of tolerance.

Also once we are on the topic why is it so many anti Israelis on this forum use little roll the eyes yellow faces. Do you really think that display is appropriate for what you are saying? Should I use one?

Let me know when you have finished speaking with Hamas and get them to give up the idea of a sharia law state in all of Jordan and Israel for your bi national state.

Edited November 18, 2012 by Rue

[Guest American Woman]

He did not make personal attacks. He questioned Hudson Jones stereotyping of Israelis and those who suppport Israel. So do I. Husdon Jones suggested anyone who supports Israel is a Nazi. Go read his inference. If Merlin responded its to those kinds of comments.

If someone comes on this forum and engags in personal attacks against all Israelis or Jews, then another calls him on it, its not a personal attack.

What's ironic, though, is that "Merlin" does the very same thing regarding Muslims - going on and on about how afraid he is of Muslims because they want to cut his head off because he is disabled. I know you don't care for the constant attacks against Muslims, either.

[bush_cheney2004]

So by extension once an aggressor clears the land of inhabitants, the aggressor takes possession of the land ... Gaza, for example?

Yes....nobody has the right to any land, but they do have the right to defend possession. Israel does that quite well.

[jbg]

Right...a bi-national state. Yes of course. There are so many in the Middle East. For sure. Sharia law believes in bi national states. I mean look at how tolerant sharia law states are of minorities. Let's start. Sudan. Ooops. O.k. so they shoot and kill black Christians. Say I know, Egypt. Ooops I forgot Coptic Christians have issues. Oh say I know, Syria. Ooops hey do have problems with Kurds, Berbers,Assyrians, Druze,Sunnis, oh never mind. Say I know Lebanon. Hmmm no. Never mind. I hear the Sunnis, Shiites and Christians have problems there. Say I know Iraq. Its Kurds,Sunis and Shiites get along real well. Oops. O.k. how about Iran.Oh wait, it does have issues with Bahaiis, Christians, gays, Sunnis, feminists, Jews, atheists, ok never mind. Say I know Saudi Arabia. Uh guess not. Oh wait Yemen. Um never mind.

Bi national state. Right. Sharia law states impose apartheid and religious institutionalized aparthied called dhimmitude, but you of course never head of that.

Of course you also have never head that in Israel, Christians and Muslims are given the same legal rights to vote, own land, etc., as Jewish Israelis. No not you. In your world Israel is of course an apartheid state right and the rest of the Middle East is a model of tolerance.

Brilliant post.

But when I made those same points two or three years ago you singled me out as a bigot.

[Merlin]

What's ironic, though, is that "Merlin" does the very same thing regarding Muslims - going on and on about how afraid he is of Muslims because they want to cut his head off because he is disabled. I know you don't care for the constant attacks against Muslims, either.

I do not call all Muslims terrorists but Jones does lump all Israeli's/Jews together. Big difference.

[Moonlight Graham]

Hamas launched the first rockets and now they are crying foul when Israel defends itself. This is typical behaviour from the left wing types who defend Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist group yet many posters here take their side. Interesting.

I think Israel is justified in an attack to defend itself against rocket threats, but they have to be very careful who/what they target and must try to be as proportional as possible. 3 Israelis killed by rockets, 50+ killed in Gaza by Israel so far.

[Merlin]

I think Israel is justified in an attack to defend itself against rocket threats, but they have to be very careful who/what they target and must try to be as proportional as possible. 3 Israelis killed by rockets, 50+ killed in Gaza by Israel so far.

If Israel didn't have iron dome that number would be much greater. Hamas has launched over 500 rockets into Israel this week.

[Guest American Woman]

I think Israel is justified in an attack to defend itself against rocket threats, but they have to be very careful who/what they target and must try to be as proportional as possible. 3 Israelis killed by rockets, 50+ killed in Gaza by Israel so far.

You can't just put that on Israel. Part of that is the way Israel does things within Israel vs. the way Hamas does things within Palestine, too.

[jbg]

I think Israel is justified in an attack to defend itself against rocket threats, but they have to be very careful who/what they target and must try to be as proportional as possible. 3 Israelis killed by rockets, 50+ killed in Gaza by Israel so far.

But keep in mind the fact that the Gazan leadership is deliberately launching its attacks from civilian areas in order to draw those casualties. Israel cannot be rendered defenseless by the way Hamas chooses to mount its attacks, and the fact that unlike the Israelis they deliberately put their own civilians in harm's way.

[Bonam]

I think Israel is justified in an attack to defend itself against rocket threats, but they have to be very careful who/what they target and must try to be as proportional as possible. 3 Israelis killed by rockets, 50+ killed in Gaza by Israel so far.

Care to elaborate on this idea of being "proportional"? Is there some inherent fairness if 3 Israelis die that 3 Palestinians should die? This is not some eye for an eye prehistoric court of law. The purpose of Israel's strikes is to destroy Hamas' ability to launch rockets. It is not about being "proportional". You should review your underlying premise here, because it is completely flawed.

[DogOnPorch]

You can't just put that on Israel. Part of that is the way Israel does things within Israel vs. the way Hamas does things within Palestine, too.

Agreed...and if you put it into historical context, it's ludicrous. Imagine proportional response in any other affair.

Stalin in the Kremlin: Hmmmmm...Hitler is fielding 149 divisions including 14 panzer divisions. I'd best limit factory production this month least I produce more than that...

Edited November 18, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[Hudson Jones]

Part of that is the way Israel does things within Israel vs. the way Hamas does things within Palestine, too.

True.

Israel does it with jets, tanks, helicopters and war ships, while Palestinians do it with rockets.

[Merlin]

True.

Israel does it with jets, tanks, helicopters and war ships, while Palestinians do it with rockets.

Hamas, the terror organization does it with human shields. Should Israel do nothing while Hamas launches rockets into Israel?

[Guest American Woman]

True.

Israel does it with jets, tanks, helicopters and war ships, while Palestinians do it with rockets.

And this response right here shows that you're not interested in discussing the reality of the situation, but just criticizing Israel. Not interested.

[Hudson Jones]

And this response right here shows that you're not interested in discussing the reality of the situation, but just criticizing Israel. Not interested.

I am fully interested in discussing the realities of the situation.

The reality is that the discussion should not start with "Hamas is sending rockets into Israel,,", because the picture is much bigger than that.

[Bonam]

And this response right here shows that you're not interested in discussing the reality of the situation, but just criticizing Israel. Not interested.

Unfortunately, that is the tilt of pretty much the majority of all media in the world. Consider the amount of coverage that a few dozen deaths in Gaza are getting compared to the almost 40,000 deaths in Syria.

[DogOnPorch]

I am fully interested in discussing the realities of the situation.

The reality is that the discussion should not start with "Hamas is sending rockets into Israel,,", because the picture is much bigger than that.

But not Yom Kippur, 6 Day War or Mufti big...lol.

[Guest American Woman]

Agreed...and if you put it into historical context, it's ludicrous. Imagine proportional response in any other affair.

Absolutely, positively ludicrous. It's also ludicrous that the "whys" of it are totally ignored by so many.

Apparently 2 civilian deaths occurred due to an errant missile, fired by Palestinian militants. It's interesting the way the NYTimes covered it, talking about how Palestinians thought there was a cease fire, making it safe to be out and about - free from worry of Israeli air assaults - when an explosion struck. The article goes on to say that the damage was nowhere near severe enough to have come from an Israeli F-16, so it was unclear who was responsible for the strike that killed them, "raising the possibility" that it was an errant Palestinian missile. Possibility? If it didn't come from Israel, what else could it be? Spontaneous combustion?

The article then goes on to speak of the horror of war, but had it been due to Israel's actions, the article likely would have gone in the direction of condemning Israel for breaking the cease fire. It's either Israel's fault - or the horror of war, I swear.

http://www.nytimes.c...middleeast&_r=0

Unfortunately, that is the tilt of pretty much the majority of all media in the world. Consider the amount of coverage that a few dozen deaths in Gaza are getting compared to the almost 40,000 deaths in Syria.

So true.

Edited November 18, 2012 by American Woman

[DogOnPorch]

Unfortunately, that is the tilt of pretty much the majority of all media in the world. Consider the amount of coverage that a few dozen deaths in Gaza are getting compared to the almost 40,000 deaths in Syria.

Or that Russia, Iran and Red China are planning naval maneuvers with Assad's military over 'the next few weeks'...their words.