GostHacked Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 So Israel has carried out 200+ airstrikes. The PMs office has been taken out as have a police station. Come ON, get this shit over with, let's see the blood scattered all over the place. I want CARNAGE! It's what the people want... right? Kill all those defy Israel , KILL !!!!! They got the hardware for it, let's get it ON !!! Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 So Israel has carried out 200+ airstrikes. The PMs office has been taken out as have a police station. Come ON, get this shit over with, let's see the blood scattered all over the place. I want CARNAGE! It's what the people want... right? Kill all those defy Israel , KILL !!!!! They got the hardware for it, let's get it ON !!! You should stop calling for genocide. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 You should stop calling for genocide. It's pure ignorance. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 It's pure ignorance. Indeed it is. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
scribblet Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 Right, it is. Iron Dome Air Defense System successfully intercepting Palestinian missiles in front of a wedding party. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Guest American Woman Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 Right, it is. Iron Dome Air Defense System successfully intercepting Palestinian missiles in front of a wedding party. The IDF has deployed a fifth Iron Dome battery in the Tel Aviv region. As for today's news: November 17 10:20am - Israel’s Channel 2 reports that Hamas has rejected an Egyptian proposed ceasefire agreement. And from Times of Israel: A new Hamas video that’s being circulated warns Israelis, in Hebrew, of violence to come. In the digitized-video, set to tense music, the voice tells Israelis, “We miss the suicide bombings,” and continues in both spoken and written text in Hebrew, “We’ll see you on the buses, and at the cafes,” a reference to previous Palestinian suicide attacks that occurred at popular Israeli hangouts. Quote
kactus Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) Interesting perspective from Gerald Kaufmann UK jewish MP on the current conflict in Gaza describing their action to Nazis: "Israel was born out of Jewish Terrorism" Tzipi Livnis Father was a Terrorist" Astonishing claims in the House of Parliament. SIR Gerald Kaufman, the veteran Labour MP, yesterday compared the actions of Israeli troops in Gaza to the Nazis who forced his family to flee Poland. During a Commons debate on the fighting in Gaza, he urged the government to impose an arms embargo on Israel. Sir Gerald, who was brought up as an orthodox Jew and Zionist, said: "My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town a German soldier shot her dead in her bed. "My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians." He said the claim that many of the Palestinian victims were militants "was the reply... Now if a jewish MP who claims to be a zionist is so critical of the actions of the israeli government I wonder why some posters who live thousands of miles away show such a vested interest in that region and particularly Israel and will go at any length to defend actions of israeli government unequivocally! Edited November 18, 2012 by kactus Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 17, 2012 Author Report Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) The question the Palestinians have is, will the West ever pay attention to their plight if they do not respond to Israel's aggression? It seems like only aggressive and violent response is the only way any attention is given to them. The rockets are a desperate act by a group who acknowledge that they cannot compete with Israel/U.S. jets, helicopters and tanks. Even though some pro-Palestinians want to tell people that the rockets are self-defense, any rational and honest person should admit that it's wrong to fire these rockets towards civilian areas even if they rarely cause any casualties. As one-sided the casualties are, it makes Hamas, et al and in extension, the Gazans look like hypocrites when they complain about Israel targeting Palestinian civilians. As tempting as it is to respond in any way possible to Israel's unjust and illegal treatment of Palestinians, the heavily lobbied western governments are looking for any excuse to justify their support for Israel. Edited November 17, 2012 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted November 17, 2012 Author Report Posted November 17, 2012 You do know that's the Onion don't you Really? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Argus Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 The question the Palestinians have is, will the West ever pay attention to their plight if they do not respond to Israel's aggression? It seems like only aggressive and violent response is the only way any attention is given to them. There is some truth to this. But why mention only "the West"? The Arab world has done precious little for the Palestinians over the years. The PA budget is mostly coming from the West, not the Arab or Muslim world. How come the Muslim world isn't flooding Palestinian lands with money and help instead of just a few countries sending rockets and bombs? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 The question the Palestinians have is, will the West ever pay attention to their plight if they do not respond to Israel's aggression?.... No...Palestinians have used a failed, violent strategy for over 50 years. Just ask Bobby Kennedy's family. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 No...Palestinians have used a failed, violent strategy for over 50 years. Just ask Bobby Kennedy's family. King Abdullah II's grandfather was also their target. Plus, didn't the PLO try to take over Jordan in 1970? Pretty sure they did.... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 Yes, they did, and this helped to drive Jordan into the U.S. sphere of protection and aid. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 Yes, they did, and this helped to drive Jordan into the U.S. sphere of protection and aid. Perhaps we will get to hear Hudson's version of those events... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 17, 2012 Report Posted November 17, 2012 Yes, they did, and this helped to drive Jordan into the U.S. sphere of protection and aid. Ah yes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_in_Jordan Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Posted November 18, 2012 Here is a good article on the odd action by Israel to kill someone who has done nothing but to assist Israel. Israel killed its subcontractor in Gaza The political outcome of the operation will become clear on January 22, but the strategic ramifications are more complex: Israel will have to find a new subcontractor to replace Ahmed Jabari as its border guard in the south. Ahmed Jabari was a subcontractor, in charge of maintaining Israel's security in Gaza. This title will no doubt sound absurd to anyone who in the past several hours has heard Jabari described as "an arch-terrorist," "the terror chief of staff" or "our Bin Laden." Link Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
GostHacked Posted November 18, 2012 Report Posted November 18, 2012 People like explosions right?? Atta boy Israel hit them where it hurts .. wooooo!!!! Quote
Merlin Posted November 18, 2012 Report Posted November 18, 2012 Hamas targets civilians directly. Imagine how many Israeli's would be dead without Iron Dome. Why do people support Hamas, which is an international terrorist group? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 18, 2012 Report Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) People like explosions right?? Atta boy Israel hit them where it hurts .. wooooo!!!! Nice shot. Compare that to the JDAM treatment. Yikes. Edited November 18, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Posted November 18, 2012 Even though they're not causing any casualties or destruction, sending rockets at Tel Aviv has burst the bubble. People in Tel Aviv, comprised of middle to higher middle class Israelis can no longer stay numb to the realities of the continuous war system which the Israeli government has put into place in order to stay in power. They can no longer pretend and distance themselves with what people in southern Israel go through and even worse, what the Gazans go through. Amir Oren from Haaretz: The significance of rockets fired on Tel Aviv and Jerusalem should not be underestimated. Since 1948, no Arab country, except Iraq in 1991, has managed or dared to do what Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad have done. Other than the Jordanian Long Tom shell fired at Masaryk Square in Tel Aviv in the Six-Day War, and despite the city’s vulnerability to air and artillery attacks, Tel Aviv, symbol of the Jewish state, has remained untouched. For the first time, the people feel helpless and vulnerable. There is nothing they can do but to run and hide when the sirens go off. There is a sense of what it means to lose control and lose freedom. It's become a huge inconvenience. Despite the government's request to continue with the routine, it's not possible. Here is a glimpse of what it's like: It's nothing like what the people in the bottom of the food chain go through, like in the Southern Israeli towns and cities or remotely close to what the Gazans experience, but the sounds of the sirens followed by big booms are, I'm sure, scary and awful. Maybe they will look at the situation a little differently now and as a teacher from Southern Israel said, they may start to feel the same: Does defending the well being of citizens mean a war of armageddon every few years? Hasn’t any politician ever heard of the expression ‘long-term planning?’ If you want to defend me – then please: Don’t send the Israel Defense Forces for us in order to “win.” Start thinking about the long term and not just about the next election. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Posted November 18, 2012 Looks like a nice orderly civil defense warning and actions by citizens to take cover. People in my part of the USA do this every year in response to severe thunderstorm and tornado warnings. The successful intercept of an inbound terrorist missile is a welcomed bonus. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 18, 2012 Report Posted November 18, 2012 Looks like a nice orderly civil defense warning and actions by citizens to take cover. People in my part of the USA do this every year in response to severe thunderstorm and tornado warnings. The successful intercept of an inbound terrorist missile is a welcomed bonus. Duck n' cover! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 More civilians killed by Israel. A Palestinian man kisses the hand of a dead relative in the Shifa hospital morgue in Gaza City. Photograph: Bernat Armangue/AP At least 11 members of one family, including five women and four children, were killed when Israel bombed a house in Gaza City on Sunday as the five-day-old war claimed more civilian lives with no sign of a let-up in the intense bombardment. The air strike flattened the home of the Dalou family in the Sheikh Radwan district of Gaza City, causing the biggest death toll in a single incident since the offensive began last Wednesday. On Monday morning the Israeli defence force appeared to admit the family had been killed by mistake. The Haaretz website quoted the army as saying their house was either incorrectly pinpointed or a missile malfunctioned. Elsewhere in the city early Monday an air strike levelled two houses belonging to a single family, killing two children and two adults and injuring 42 people, including children, said Gaza heath official Ashraf al-Kidra. Rescue workers were frantically searching for 12 to 15 members of the Azzam family under the rubble. Shortly afterwards, Israeli aircraft bombarded the remains of the former national security compound in Gaza City. Al-Kidra said flying shrapnel killed one child and wounded others living nearby. After the Dalou family home was destroyed, the bodies of the children were pulled from the rubble and taken to the morgue at Shifa hospital. The dead also included an 80-year-old woman. Link Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 The more information that comes, the dirtier Israel is revealed to be: Israeli Negotiator: Hamas Commander Was Assassinated Hours After Receiving Truce Deal from Israel Link Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
DogOnPorch Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Perhaps you can explain why Hamas refuses to put into practice any civil defense. Why isn't Gaza City being evacuated? We evacuate cities over mere forest fires. Hamas has plenty of bunkers for their leadership, but zero shelters built for the general population. I'm sure you'll have a reasonable explanation as to why they do this. Please...defend Hamas's actions. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting on your information that shows Fascist Italy supplied Irgun in the British Mandate of Palestine. You're oddly silent about this now. Is there a reason? Keep in mind I can buy a gun...and so can you. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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