punked Posted November 18, 2012 Report Posted November 18, 2012 Yes, doing the hard work of working less hard... Oh spare me. If you want them to do work outside their contract then put in their contract otherwise take a walk. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Looks like 5 public boards and 0 (ZERO, NONE) Catholic boards have a tentative agreement. Legislation and agreeing to a deal without your members input really works (lol Catholic system) Edited November 19, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Topaz Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 I think that this action the teachers are taking, could backfire in their faces. In the coffee shops, people who usually support the teachers are now saying they are taking this too far because the students, epecially high school, they are putting students future in jeopardy. Last year students of high school and grade 8 students are getting ready for planning for next year and I not sure if the teachers are going to be there for them. I hear even students , who have supported the teachers are now not supporting them. Just watch how many parenst switch their kids over to the Catholic or private schools after this is over and when the public teachers start being layed off, they only can blame themselves for the way they went about dealing with the government. I blame the teachers more than the union because the teachers could have said, find another way. Quote
Fletch 27 Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Posted November 19, 2012 ANd today its the Elementary teachers.... Completely sickening.. As per the Union its "first phase of potentially escalating work to rule".. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) I think that this action the teachers are taking, could backfire in their faces. In the coffee shops, people who usually support the teachers are now saying they are taking this too far because the students, epecially high school, they are putting students future in jeopardy. Last year students of high school and grade 8 students are getting ready for planning for next year and I not sure if the teachers are going to be there for them. I hear even students , who have supported the teachers are now not supporting them. Just watch how many parenst switch their kids over to the Catholic or private schools after this is over and when the public teachers start being layed off, they only can blame themselves for the way they went about dealing with the government. I blame the teachers more than the union because the teachers could have said, find another way. 6 BOARDS HAVE TENTATIVE CONTRACTS. None are Catholic. Just saying. Edited November 20, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
MiddleClassCentrist Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Update 7 Boards have tentative contracts. Still, NONE are Catholic. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
MiddleClassCentrist Posted November 24, 2012 Report Posted November 24, 2012 Still waiting to hear of any catholic boards that have any contracts. Saw some rhetoric from the catholic union about the public deal but, as usual nothing of substance. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
punked Posted November 24, 2012 Report Posted November 24, 2012 Still waiting to hear of any catholic boards that have any contracts. Saw some rhetoric from the catholic union about the public deal but, as usual nothing of substance. They are justing waiting it out because the "deal they took" was settle early and get whatever in the end is the best deal for those who choose to actually fight for their deal. Quote
socialist Posted November 25, 2012 Report Posted November 25, 2012 Actually if you read the user comments around ontario you will realize 97% of the public supports teachers and understand what they do. i am pleased by this with all the negative propaganda against teachers out there. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/11/22/ottawa-teachers-school-board.html Again if you read the comments section 97%of the public supports the teachers and unions. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
punked Posted November 25, 2012 Report Posted November 25, 2012 Actually if you read the user comments around ontario you will realize 97% of the public supports teachers and understand what they do. i am pleased by this with all the negative propaganda against teachers out there. http://www.cbc.ca/ne...hool-board.html Again if you read the comments section 97%of the public supports the teachers and unions. That is not a poll and can not be how we gage public opinion. Get a clue your bad arguments hurt everyone. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 25, 2012 Report Posted November 25, 2012 Actually if you read the user comments around ontario you will realize 97% of the public supports teachers and understand what they do. 97% percent is ridiculous. Do you have a cite other than comments on news articles ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
punked Posted November 25, 2012 Report Posted November 25, 2012 97% percent is ridiculous. Do you have a cite other than comments on news articles ? What he is saying is if you go to the stories on the CBC and read the comments that (and I think he is full of it) 97% of them are pro teachers work action. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 25, 2012 Report Posted November 25, 2012 What he is saying is if you go to the stories on the CBC and read the comments that (and I think he is full of it) 97% of them are pro teachers work action. Fine, but that's still a ridiculous measure of popular support. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
punked Posted November 25, 2012 Report Posted November 25, 2012 Fine, but that's still a ridiculous measure of popular support. Yep which I pointed out. Quote
bleeding heart Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 97% percent is ridiculous. Do you have a cite other than comments on news articles ? Yep. whenever you hear about 97% agreement...on any subject, bar none...there's something wrong. That's like Saddam Hussein's old voting records. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Boges Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 Striking will accomplish nothing for the teacher. Unless they want parents that may have been on their side to turn against them. Their former sugar daddy shut down the House so no new legislation can be passed anyway. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) I think the teachers are being manipulated by their union which is under pressure from the other public service unions. The other unions know that the final settlement with teachers will be the basic template for all other public service settlements. It is always more effective and sympathetic to have respected little old lady teachers awkwardly walking with picket signs then fat, bearded, hard-hatted, gum chewing truck drivers swinging picket signs. Unfortunately, even the little old lady teachers are losing the sympathy and respect of the public. The “dedicated and concerned about children’s education” representation becomes an unprincipled façade when you walk out and keep these children from receiving an education. The teachers are losing support and respect with every additional job action. They may end up burning bridges which they did not anticipate. Edited November 29, 2012 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jacee Posted November 29, 2012 Report Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) I think the teachers are being manipulated by their union Teachers vote the way they want to. http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/education/ontario-says-it-wont-block-teacher-strike/article4576776/?service=mobile By Thursday,the results of teacher strike votes had been tallied,and at boards across the province,more than 90 per cent of secondary-school teachers voted in favour of taking strike action. http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/story/2012/09/25/hamilton-elementary-strike-vote.html The Hamilton-Wentworth unit of the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario (ETFO) voted 97 per cent in favor of a strike, in a vote Monday. It's pretty clear that teachers support strike action and their unions. There are tentative agreements coming forward now. Edited November 29, 2012 by jacee Quote
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