Michael Hardner Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 How exactly does a public inquiry and political circus help this process ? It's ridiculous - as with the 9/11 commission you will find out nothing. And the conspiracy folks will have a field day with it too. Just like those who try to blame Bush for 9/11, this is a waste of time. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 How exactly does a public inquiry and political circus help this process ? It's ridiculous - as with the 9/11 commission you will find out nothing. And the conspiracy folks will have a field day with it too. Just like those who try to blame Bush for 9/11, this is a waste of time. Its not a waste of time if your government is lying to you regarding the incident. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 Its not a waste of time if your government is lying to you regarding the incident. All they have to do is brand the information as sensitive and you don't get to hear it. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 All they have to do is brand the information as sensitive and you don't get to hear it. You are correct. Does it make it right? And what difference does it make why the attacks on 9/11(2001) happened? Quote
punked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 Its not a waste of time if your government is lying to you regarding the incident. Sure but it is a waste of time if your government is giving the best information at the time then as new information comes to light that same government passes that information off to the people. I know you want the government to not give you the best information at the time and instead hid until much later but I like an open and transparent government that gives me what they have and what they know and correct it later if necessary. Quote
punked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 You are correct. Does it make it right? And what difference does it make why the attacks on 9/11(2001) happened? You want to finish that quote ".......As long as we figure out what happened now so we can prevent it form happening the future." There I fixed your selective quote because you are not for what actually happened or what was actually said, you just what you to hear what you want instead. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 You are correct. Does it make it right? And what difference does it make why the attacks on 9/11(2001) happened? The 9/11 commission didn't really ask 'why' so much as 'what happened'. But you're right, it doesn't matter why so much as how can attacks be prevented and there haven't been any since. Mission accomplished. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 Sure but it is a waste of time if your government is giving the best information at the time then as new information comes to light that same government passes that information off to the people. I know you want the government to not give you the best information at the time and instead hid until much later but I like an open and transparent government that gives me what they have and what they know and correct it later if necessary. As much as you want to defend them, what you are saying here is nothing but excuses for the government being as incompetent as they are. Why does it matter about the gun running for the Free Syrian Army? http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weapons-jihadists-2012-10 The official position is that the US has refused to allow heavy weapons into Syria.But there's growing evidence that U.S. agents—particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens—were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels. In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group—a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens' life. In November 2011 The Telegraph reported that Belhadj, acting as head of the Tripoli Military Council, "met with Free Syrian Army [FSA] leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey" in an effort by the new Libyan government to provide money and weapons to the growing insurgency in Syria. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/24/what-exactly-does-boehner-know-about-the-u-s-gun-running-allegations-in-libya-these-comments-raise-questions/ Immediately following the attack on the American diplomatic outpost in Benghazi that left four Americans — including a U.S. ambassador, two Navy SEALs and an additional civil servant — dead, some started wondering if Ambassador Chris Stevens may have been the pointman in a U.S.-led gun-running scheme to supply arms to both Libyan and Syrian rebels. (Read our story here.) Now, for the first time, House Speaker John Boehner has indicated that he may also know more about this potential gun-running scheme through a “classified source.” As additional details of that fateful day at the CIA annex unfold, more and more politicians, military and intelligence officials are raising questions about the claim that the administration may have been funneling weapons from Benghazi to anti-Ghadafi insurgents in Libya and later, to anti-Assad insurgents in Syria, via Turkey. (Retired Gen. Boykin raised it again just this week.) Not before now, however, has an official leader of the GOP discussed the theory. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/25/was-syrian-weapons-shipment-factor-in-ambassadors-benghazi-visit/ This ship is mentioned in a couple other articles as well. A mysterious Libyan ship -- reportedly carrying weapons and bound for Syrian rebels -- may have some link to the Sept. 11 terror attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Fox News has learned. Through shipping records, Fox News has confirmed that the Libyan-flagged vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on Sept. 6, just five days before Ambassador Chris Stevens, information management officer Sean Smith and former Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed during an extended assault by more than 100 Islamist militants. On the night of Sept. 11, in what would become his last known public meeting, Stevens met with the Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and escorted him out of the consulate front gate one hour before the assault began at approximately 9:35 p.m. local time. Although what was discussed at the meeting is not public, a source told Fox News that Stevens was in Benghazi to negotiate a weapons transfer, an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists. And although the negotiation said to have taken place may have had nothing to do with the attack on the consulate later that night or the Libyan mystery ship, it could explain why Stevens was travelling in such a volatile region on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Bohner even admits to the gun running, but cannot say more. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/23/flat-wrong-cia-denies-lt-gen-boykins-claim-about-alleged-u-s-gun-running-to-syrian-rebels-through-benghazi/ Good interview with former General Boykin at the bottom of the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Boykin Quote
GostHacked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 You want to finish that quote ".......As long as we figure out what happened now so we can prevent it form happening the future." There I fixed your selective quote because you are not for what actually happened or what was actually said, you just what you to hear what you want instead. Oh come on .. what does it matter what happened .. as long as we figure out what happened so we can prevent it in the future. So in the end it DOES matter what happened. Quote
punked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 Oh come on .. what does it matter what happened .. as long as we figure out what happened so we can prevent it in the future. So in the end it DOES matter what happened. Which is why your cherry picked quote makes you even more foolish because Clinton said as such. What doesn't matter though is an hour after the attack why that attack happened because in that hour they have have more important things to deal with. Maybe you can watch the exchange again so you can stop Shady like cherry picking quotes and using them out of context with out their real meaning eh? Quote
Shady Posted January 26, 2013 Author Report Posted January 26, 2013 Oh come on .. what does it matter what happened .. as long as we figure out what happened so we can prevent it in the future. So in the end it DOES matter what happened. Yep, and it matters why she cited a non-existent protest, of a irrelevant youtube movie as the cause of the attack. She even cited that excuse to one of the families of the murdered American's. But what difference does it make is how far the bar has been lowered. It's pathetic. Rand Paul is becoming my favourite Republican, conservative, and elected official. I hope he runs for president in 2016. He's amazing! Truth to power used to be a mantra of the left. Now it's meh to power. Quote
punked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) Yep, and it matters why she cited a non-existent protest, of a irrelevant youtube movie as the cause of the attack. She even cited that excuse to one of the families of the murdered American's. But what difference does it make is how far the bar has been lowered. It's pathetic. Rand Paul is becoming my favourite Republican, conservative, and elected official. I hope he runs for president in 2016. He's amazing! Truth to power used to be a mantra of the left. Now it's meh to power. Why would she cite that again? Oh yah Republican head of the CIA faltered and took those parts out of the report. I forgot Shady. We know where the blame laid for that one, at the feet of Republican Hero David Petraeus. Thanks for cutting through the BS Shady. Yah Rand "this is the greatest tragedy since 9/11" Paul. You know not to down play it but Hurricane Katrina, Total fatalities was 2000 although I guess that one was on Bush so these 3 lives are worth more. Why might Paul say that Shady? Is because he is too stupid to know about you know the other 100 things that happened since 9/11 not to mention to Sandy Hook where a crazed gunman shoot school kids at their desks. Edited January 26, 2013 by punked Quote
Shady Posted January 26, 2013 Author Report Posted January 26, 2013 Lays the smack down!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fG6XNIwBaY Quote
punked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) Lays the smack down!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fG6XNIwBaY Yep he sured lied the smack down saying that Americans who died in a war zone lives are worth about 10 times the lives of school children shot in desks or 20 times Americans who went to see Batman and ended up dead. This was according to Paul the greatest tragedy since the original 9/11. Never mind the other attacks on American abroad. Anthrax Attack - 5 Americans murdered, 17 injured DC Sniper - 9 Americans murdered on American soil, 3 wounded Iraq War - 5000 US Troops killed searching for imaginary WMD June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51. February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Truck bomb kills 17. February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan Gunmen on motorcycles killed 2 consulate guards. July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan Suicide bomber kills 2. December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. 5 killed, 10 wounded. August 2005, Hurricane Katrina - 1,833 people died. Katrina was the deadliest U.S. Hurricane since the 1928 Okeechobee hurricane; total property damage was estimated at $81 billion nearly triple the damage brought by Hurricane Andrew in 1992 March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan Suicide car bomber killed 4, including a U.S. diplomat directly targeted by the assailants. September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). 1 killed and 13 wounded. July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. 3 killed. September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. 6 soldiers guarding the embassy and 7 civilians were killed. 16 more were injured. April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech University: 32 Killed, 23 injured Because Paul doesn't read the news I guess or he is just stupid. Then again all those happened under Bush so they were celebrating FREEDOM not under Obama who is a Marxist. Right Shady that is what you think? Want to explain why you are not offended by that statement? Edited January 26, 2013 by punked Quote
Shady Posted January 26, 2013 Author Report Posted January 26, 2013 Lays the smack down on John Kerry too. They obviously need a lesson on the constitution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inPC5egXzn0 Quote
punked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 Care to respond to my post about Rand the stupid? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 Lays the smack down!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fG6XNIwBaY Speaking of political gamesmanship... 'worst tragedy since 911' ... ridiculous They tried the same bullsh*t with Rice and Bush 'ignoring the warnings'. It's so infantile. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 Ron Paul was wrong-headed but principled. His son is willing to throw the Bush administration under the bus to get political points. Shameless... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Shady Posted January 26, 2013 Author Report Posted January 26, 2013 Speaking of political gamesmanship... 'worst tragedy since 911' ... ridiculous They tried the same bullsh*t with Rice and Bush 'ignoring the warnings'. It's so infantile. My interpretation of his reference to 911 was intel/state department/foreign policy tragedy. I think when you have an ambassador personally appealing to the state department for more security, and then gets murdered, questions need to be answered. But you're just one of the many who speak meh to power, instead of truth to power. Funny how things change. And you profess to want so-called open government? Shame on you, hypocrite. Quote
Shady Posted January 26, 2013 Author Report Posted January 26, 2013 Ron Paul was wrong-headed but principled. His son is willing to throw the Bush administration under the bus to get political points. Shameless... Shameless describes your continued advocacy of so-called open government, and then when somebody tries to challenge said government for openness and anwsers, you quicklyl cave to the powers that be. Quote
Shady Posted January 26, 2013 Author Report Posted January 26, 2013 Care to respond to my post about Rand the stupid? What's to respond to? He's talking about an intel/state department/foreign policy type tragedy. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 Shameless describes your continued advocacy of so-called open government, and then when somebody tries to challenge said government for openness and anwsers, you quicklyl cave to the powers that be. Nobody thinks that open government will come or should come to the worlds of intelligence or security, except maybe the conspiracy set. And for them, that's all they care about. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 Shame on you, hypocrite. Before you resort to calling me names, why not find examples of me criticizing the Bush administration on 9/11. But, let me save you the effort - I didn't do that, because I am not a hypocrite. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
punked Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 Nobody thinks that open government will come or should come to the worlds of intelligence or security, except maybe the conspiracy set. And for them, that's all they care about. So none of those deaths from terrorist attacks wre failures? I'll be sure to tell the dead Americans. Care to read my list again? This time how about you respond to my post instead if what you want my post to be. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 26, 2013 Report Posted January 26, 2013 So none of those deaths from terrorist attacks wre failures? I'll be sure to tell the dead Americans. Care to read my list again? This time how about you respond to my post instead if what you want my post to be. Was that post for me ? I don't think I was responding to you. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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