Omar is back

[ironstone]

1) You cannot be in the Canadian Military at 14 years of Age. A Cadet learns many things, including weapons training. They are not the legal age requirement to be a Soldier. If a Cadet was in an Armouries that was bombed, then attacked by soldiers and was then shot in the back twice, and threw a grenade to defend themselves, killing the SOLDIER that is attacking, then one must look at it in the context of war and combat.

The Child Soldier, a term used to suggest that one is a CHILD not a SOLDIER, is held to a different standard then a combat trained soldier. Yes Children can kill. Yes SOLDIERS need to defend themselves from Children who may bear arms.

That CHILD is NOT a soldier.

The Soldiers who DID apprehend the Wounded Khader had the option to kill him as he laid there bleeding in a pool of blood. They were going to, until commanding orders overruled their action.

He was taken prison and charged as an Unlawful combatant.

I would call him a Child Unlawful combatant.

I would call him a child.

Considering many soldiers have died during combat operations, and when one goes into combat, it is KNOWN that the other sides intent is to KILL YOU, none of this should be surprising.

Its not like every enemy combatant is put into prison and held indefinitely.

In this case he was charged militarily and accepted a plea to admit guilt in order to be returned to Canada.

After that, it was pretty clear he was going to be returned to Canada and the efforts by the government were both costly and folly.

People are allow to feel however they wish about Khadr. I doubt he generates alot of sympathy in Canada.

But anyone can see that a boy of 14 is still a boy, even if carrying a weapon.

He has now spent 15 years as a boy and 11 years as a Prisoner, with 8 more years to go.

For some people, there is no such thing as justice.

So do you believe there are any 14 year old boys around today that don't know that you can kill someone with a gun?

I wouldn't worry too much about poor little Omar if I were you.There is,unfortunately,a fair chance that Socialist leader Thomas Mulcair might be our next Prime Minister.He would without a second thought reward dear Omar with millions of dollars.

[Michael Hardner]

Speak for yourself, Michael. I'm interested in PIK's opinions!

Of course - because you agree with him. That's fine for you but I'm not interested in unsubstantiated opinions and personal taste. Furthermore - they don't contribute to progressive discussion.

[wyly]

1) You cannot be in the Canadian Military at 14 years of Age. A Cadet learns many things, including weapons training. They are not the legal age requirement to be a Soldier. If a Cadet was in an Armouries that was bombed, then attacked by soldiers and was then shot in the back twice, and threw a grenade to defend themselves, killing the SOLDIER that is attacking, then one must look at it in the context of war and combat.

a takes a real stretch of imagination to believe someone shot in the back twice, so severely wounded his heart was exposed and he did this while buried under a pile of debris of a collapsed building was actually able to throw a grenade...and the US commander on the scene reported it wasn't Omar who threw the grenade...

[wyly]

I wouldn't worry too much about poor little Omar if I were you.There is,unfortunately,a fair chance that Socialist leader Thomas Mulcair might be our next Prime Minister.He would without a second thought reward dear Omar with millions of dollars.

mulcair, no that will be the supreme court handing omar millions mulcair has no say in it, neither does harper...

[wyly]

Back in 2002, Canada signed on to an international treaty aimed at rehabilitating child soldiers.

In fact, Canada was the first to ratify the so-called Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child, a treaty that requires signatories to give special consideration to captured enemy fighters under the age of 18.

The treaty says they are to be segregated from adult combatants. As well, those who capture children must make every effort to reintegrate them into society.

the government of canada broke an international agreement it signed on to...

[Guest Manny]

the government of canada broke an international agreement it signed on to...

Maybe so, but it demonstrates that the law is only applicable to bad guys, ie. not our selves or our government. The old double standard applies. Such contempt for the law does not go unnoticed by the collective conscience of ordinary people. Injustice breeds terrorism.

[wyly]

Injustice breeds terrorism.

yes it does, but slack-jawed yokels will never expend the brain power to comprehend that...

[scribblet]

Was it a leftist who started this thread ? What is the purpose of this thread other than bringing more attention to this person ? Does anybody else see the paradox of starting a thread like this proclaiming that the left will be making a hero of this person 'soon' ?

Why trump these things up to be more than they are ?

Now that's funny. What purpose do most of these threads/topics have other than to bring attention to someone's issues or for someone to trump up some issue more than it really is.

[scribblet]

Yep!

Pretty much like when the Toronto Sun newspaper couldn't go more than two days without Carla Homolka's picture on the first page of their paper several years ago.

There is a phrase for this.

It's called "profiting from some one elses misery"

Sun media are masters of this!

WWWTT

Just as the Liberals are now trying to make partisan hay out of it.

IMO he is probably allready too radicalized and could pose a threat. A lot will depend on his family and how they see him and how they try to teach him to live in Canada. ( peacefully as a productive citizen)

[wyly]

IMO he is probably allready too radicalized and could pose a threat.

are you a qualified psychologist?

[Guest Manny]

yes it does, but slack-jawed yokels will never expend the brain power to comprehend that...

who you callin yokel...

[Tilter]

Now that's funny. What purpose do most of these threads/topics have other than to bring attention to someone's issues or for someone to trump up some issue more than it really is.

Canadian Justice:

On one side of the loonie we have a murderer, a person who killed another human while fighting on the side of the criminals/terrorists against the country of his birth, who is being discussed on the news in terms like "we have to find what is best for him" by some idiotic female lefty treehugger/bleedingheart

and on the other side of the coin--- a pedophile arrested as he stepped off the plane in Vancouver after serving his full sentence in Thailand for a sexual crime committed there. While I am not defending him in any way I find it hard to equate buggery of a juvenile to murder of a medic.

In one case the inane bleeding heart lady almost in tears at the terrorist's plight and on the other the pedophile was vilified and verbally attacked as the worst kind of criminal possible, one who should be jailed for the rest of his life.

Is this situation a little out of balance?

Edited September 30, 2012 by Tilter

[Guest Manny]

Now that's funny. What purpose do most of these threads/topics have other than to bring attention to someone's issues or for someone to trump up some issue more than it really is.

Indeed, and the dialogue in our media, and in the HOC would never venture to trump things up a bit, to get the point across. Also known as hype. A side effect of too much information, too much noise.

[Tilter]

1) You cannot be in the Canadian Military at 14 years of Age. A Cadet learns many things, including weapons training. They are not the legal age requirement to be a Soldier. If a Cadet was in an Armouries that was bombed, then attacked by soldiers and was then shot in the back twice, and threw a grenade to defend themselves, killing the SOLDIER that is attacking, then one must look at it in the context of war and combat.

The Child Soldier, a term used to suggest that one is a CHILD not a SOLDIER, is held to a different standard then a combat trained soldier. Yes Children can kill. Yes SOLDIERS need to defend themselves from Children who may bear arms.

That CHILD is NOT a soldier.

The Soldiers who DID apprehend the Wounded Khader had the option to kill him as he laid there bleeding in a pool of blood. They were going to, until commanding orders overruled their action.

He was taken prison and charged as an Unlawful combatant.

I would call him a Child Unlawful combatant.

I would call him a child.

Considering many soldiers have died during combat operations, and when one goes into combat, it is KNOWN that the other sides intent is to KILL YOU, none of this should be surprising.

Its not like every enemy combatant is put into prison and held indefinitely.

In this case he was charged militarily and accepted a plea to admit guilt in order to be returned to Canada.

After that, it was pretty clear he was going to be returned to Canada and the efforts by the government were both costly and folly.

People are allow to feel however they wish about Khadr. I doubt he generates alot of sympathy in Canada.

But anyone can see that a boy of 14 is still a boy, even if carrying a weapon.

He has now spent 15 years as a boy and 11 years as a Prisoner, with 8 more years to go.

For some people, there is no such thing as justice.

First--- the 14 yr old had a gun, grenades & knew how to use them.

You cannot be in the Canadian Military at 14 years of Age

We are not discussing the age requirement of the Canadian army

What is the official age requirment to join the Al queada's army?

If there was no age requirement he was a soldier at that time.

Having said that---- what is the status of a Canadian joining a terrorist army?

If it is a treasonous act he should be hanged.

By the way--- he was sentenced to 8 years about 18 months ago--- he still has 6&1/2 years to serve

Edited September 30, 2012 by Tilter

[wyly]

First--- the 14 yr old had a gun, grenades & knew how to use them. We are not discussing the age requirement of the Canadian army

What is the official age requirment to join the Al queada's army?

If there was no age requirement he was a soldier at that time.

Having said that---- what is the status of a Canadian joining a terrorist army?

If it is a treasonous act he should be hanged.

By the way--- he was sentenced to 8 years about 18 months ago--- he still has 6&1/2 years to serve

do you have any concept of "law"...international law/treaty which canda recognizes says he is a child soldier and as such is required differently than an adult, that's the law..

treason? hanged? seriously you have no idea what you're talking about

he'll be out of prison in 6 months to a year, then the lawsuits will commence...oops I guess the lawsuit has already begun, $10 million...

Edited September 30, 2012 by wyly

[madmax]

Just as the Liberals are now trying to make partisan hay out of it.

I believe the Liberal Silence while having Majority and Minority power from 2002 to 2006 speaks volumes.

IMO he is probably allready too radicalized and could pose a threat. A lot will depend on his family and how they see him and how they try to teach him to live in Canada. ( peacefully as a productive citizen)

People may jump on you for this, but I think it is logical to suggest that a young mind radicalized at the age of 14

and then treated like an animal for 11 years might not think any better of Western Values. Or Perhaps he has grown up and realized how he was used by his father to further a terrorist agenda.

As for his family. Well, I have never been fond of the comments attributed to the mother. I see no change.

Brother Abdul was returned to Canada in 2005 was serving 5 years when it was learned through Ontario Supreme courts he be released in 2010 citing "shocking and unjustifiable" human rights violations.

Abdurahman_Khadr is the one who worked with US intelligence.

Abdulkareem_Khadr was 13 years old when paralysed in an attack.

So.. I am not certain what his "family" can teach him, about living in Canada.

[wyly]

I believe the Liberal Silence while having Majority and Minority power from 2002 to 2006 speaks volumes.

People may jump on you for this, but I think it is logical to suggest that a young mind radicalized at the age of 14

and then treated like an animal for 11 years might not think any better of Western Values. Or Perhaps he has grown up and realized how he was used by his father to further a terrorist agenda.

As for his family. Well, I have never been fond of the comments attributed to the mother. I see no change.

Brother Abdul was returned to Canada in 2005 was serving 5 years when it was learned through Ontario Supreme courts he be released in 2010 citing "shocking and unjustifiable" human rights violations.

Abdurahman_Khadr is the one who worked with US intelligence.

Abdulkareem_Khadr was 13 years old when paralysed in an attack.

So.. I am not certain what his "family" can teach him, about living in Canada.

and you can't judge him by his family, that just deosn't have any relevance in law that i'm aware of...

a US general who interviewed Omar for some 200hrs said U.S. Brig. -

Gen. (Ret'd) Stephen Xenakis who testified for Khadr's military defence said he was "confident in evaluating and stating clearly that Omar Khadr does not have a history of violent and aggressive conduct

he is a model prisoner and very unlikely to re-offend...

[madmax]

First--- the 14 yr old had a gun, grenades & knew how to use them. We are not discussing the age requirement of the Canadian army

Thats right, we are talking about a "Child Soldier"

What is the official age requirment to join the Al queada's army?

What is the official age of the Lords Resistance Army?

What is the age Canada signed on to regarding "Child Soldiers" and their treatment.

You wish to defend Al Qaedas practice of using child soldiers , thats your decision not mine.

If there was no age requirement he was a soldier at that time.

Having said that---- what is the status of a Canadian joining a terrorist army?

If it is a treasonous act he should be hanged.

By the way--- he was sentenced to 8 years about 18 months ago--- he still has 6&1/2 years to serve

As mentioned before, the laws of double jeapardy could apply, but I don't believe ANYONE wants the details of a criminal trial in a public civilian court. He has been released to the Civilian Canadian Government, not to the Canadian Military.

If you had wanted him released to the Canadian Military , he would have been charged HERE first and not by the United States Military. The United States Military did NOT release him to the Canadian Military.

The Canadian Military did not request for his transfer for such charges nor did the Canadian Military ever charge Khadr with treason in 11 years. The same could be said for the Civilian Government. The Crown did not attempt to lay a charge against Khadr in 11 years.

Edited September 30, 2012 by madmax

[madmax]

and you can't judge him by his family, that just deosn't have any relevance in law that i'm aware of...

a US general who interviewed Omar for some 200hrs said U.S. Brig. - he is a model prisoner and very unlikely to re-offend...

The General is not his family. The point of scribblets post was not to judge him based on his family but actually looked at the family support unit. I would say by the looks of the family outcomes, it is not your typical suburban Canadian family and not the life that average Canadian children would have been subjected to.

I would think he is going to require ALOT more support then that once released from Prison. And the American General will not be in Canada to help with the process...

[eyeball]

Since you're glad he's "home" now,can you tell us what positive contribution you expect him to make to this country?

He'll cause some Canadians to do some soul searching.

How about his thoroughly detestable family?

I think his mother should be arrested and charged with the crime of indoctrinating a child soldier.

The fact that this bastard is back in Canada makes my blood boil,knowing how much he will be embraced by Canada's lefties.

Good. I think attitudes like your's definitely give people a reason for searching their souls.

In the meantime feel free to have an embolism, one less sphincter in Canada would be a good thing too.

[wyly]

The General is not his family. The point of scribblets post was not to judge him based on his family but actually looked at the family support unit. I would say by the looks of the family outcomes, it is not your typical suburban Canadian family and not the life that average Canadian children would have been subjected to.

I would think he is going to require ALOT more support then that once released from Prison. And the American General will not be in Canada to help with the process...

Omar is now an adult his family is irrelevant he doesn't require them for support...Gen. (Ret'd) Stephen Xenakis an MD is an expert in behaviour his opinion does count and he can be consulted as to his opinion...

[eyeball]

not a chance in hell of that...the last thing the government wants to do is become involved a court proceeding that would implicate it in the interrogation/torture of a child soldier...but it will probably happen when omar's lawyers sue for financial compensation...

That's also why they'll never charge his mother with anything and it's why there's to be little if any official use of terms like POW, soldier or army because if there was then the manner in which our side conducted itself during this war flies in the face of just about every convention on conflict that we're party to.

The last thing the government wants to do is become involved in a court case in the Hague.

[eyeball]

So do you believe there are any 14 year old boys around today that don't know that you can kill someone with a gun?

I wouldn't worry too much about poor little Omar if I were you.There is,unfortunately,a fair chance that Socialist leader Thomas Mulcair might be our next Prime Minister.He would without a second thought reward dear Omar with millions of dollars.

Hopefully he'll also open Pandora's Box resulting in the deportation of Chretien and Harper to the ICC.

[madmax]

Omar is now an adult his family is irrelevant he doesn't require them for support

Interesting Statement. A person who's entire adult life has been in a Military Prison Camp will need no Family Support. That very statement suggests he will require significant support from elsewhere.

...Gen. (Ret'd) Stephen Xenakis an MD is an expert in behaviour his opinion does count and he can be consulted as to his opinion...

Is his opinion going to provide the support a Prisoner of War requires to re integrate into Canadian society

Heck people in the Military often struggle in adapting to Civilian Life.

[Guest Manny]

Could well be that upon release Omar will be prohibited from ever contacting his family again. I could live with that.