Could Obama lose?

Shady · October 14, 2012

Oh, and it looks like the Obama administration conveniently left out the California numbers when they released last weeks jobs numbers and unemployment report. Hmmm, leaving out the biggest state in the country, with one of the highest unemployment rates in the country will do wonders for a faux jobs report.

-TSS- · October 14, 2012

They should change the voting-system from the current winner-takes-all-system to a proportional system in every state. If I'm not completely mistaken, two states divide their electoral college-votes proportionally but the other 48 follow the winner-takes-all-system which encourages voting apathy especially if you happen to support a candidate who has no hope of a majority in the state you live in.

punked · October 14, 2012

ANOTHER SHADY LIE!!!! Labour department reported after crazy right wingers said that California wasn't included that ALL STATES WE'RE INCLUDES. So citations I please Shady cause you are a liar just like Romney and Ryan. I You think people won't say you are lying on when you clearly are?

Shady · October 14, 2012

Anyways, this is pointless, so back to the original topic.

Rasmussen and Gallup: Romney 49 Obama 47. RCP has Romney up by 1.7. Romneys crowd sizes are surging in Ohio as well. Romney can deliver the knockout blow at the next debate on Wednesday. And then this long national and global nightmare will finally be over!

-TSS- · October 14, 2012

In the current economic situation it would be quite an exception if Obama won the elction as people usually turn for the alternatives when things are not going well. This is what happened to Bush senior against Clinton 20 years ago. It is the economy, stupid, was the catchphrase of the time.

punked · October 14, 2012

Anyways, this is pointless, so back to the original topic.

Rasmussen and Gallup: Romney 49 Obama 47. RCP has Romney up by 1.7. Romneys crowd sizes are surging in Ohio as well. Romney can deliver the knockout blow at the next debate on Wednesday. And then this long national and global nightmare will finally be over!

Yah this is a pointless back and fourth now that you have been called out on your LIE. You are basing all your opinion on lies and you try to pivot to poll numbers when challenged. That is only going to get you so far. You are a liar.

Mr.Canada · October 14, 2012

Yah this is a pointless back and fourth now that you have been called out on your LIE. You are basing all your opinion on lies and you try to pivot to poll numbers when challenged. That is only going to get you so far. You are a liar.

punked, it is very close race. I wish you would stop saying that Obama is leading by a massive margin. Plus you're a supporter of the NDP or Communist Party of Canada or Marxist/Leninist or whatever and the democrats are more right wing then the Tories are here in Canada so I don't understand how you can support Obama but not Harper.

punked · October 14, 2012

punked, it is very close race. I wish you would stop saying that Obama is leading by a massive margin. Plus you're a supporter of the NDP or Communist Party of Canada or Marxist/Leninist or whatever and the democrats are more right wing then the Tories are here in Canada so I don't understand how you can support Obama but not Harper.

You have no clue what you are talking about. THE NDP IS THE ONLY PARTY IN CANADA TO EVER KICK COMMUNIST OUT OF IT. The only one so how about you stop with the lies to Mr. Canada. Actions speak louder then words and that is all you got words. My side has actions, and a record. I know the right is all about the lying but stop making them so easy to call out. You have shown in your post you are as much a liar as Shady.

Edited October 14, 2012 by punked

Mr.Canada · October 14, 2012

You have no clue what you are talking about. THE NDP IS THE ONLY PARTY IN CANADA TO EVER KICK COMMUNIST OUT OF IT. The only one so how about you stop with the lies to Mr. Canada. Actions speak louder then words and that is all you got words. My side has actions, and a record. I know the right is all about the lying but stop making them so easy to call out. You have shown in your post you are as much a liar as Shady.

I was only stating that I didn't know which party you support only that were on the left. The left is big and has a wide range of parties in it. Take it easy.

punked · October 14, 2012

I was only stating that I didn't know which party you support only that were on the left. The left is big and has a wide range of parties in it. Take it easy.

The democrats have a very progressive wing of their party that is more left wing then some wings of the NDP. You are wrong in what you say, and what you said is a dumb statement. I would say when I go to convention I am very right in the NDP and probably just left of center in the Democratic party.

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Mr.Canada · October 14, 2012

The democrats have a very progressive wing of their party that is more left wing then some wings of the NDP. You are wrong in what you say, and what you said is a dumb statement.

The policy and platform of the democrats is much in line with the Tories of Canada. You may be afraid to admit it but you have a lot more in common with Pm Harper than you'd like to admit. Sure the stuff the NDP says sounds good but the stuff the Tories say is realistic. Don't listen to the hype over at rabble read for yourself and you'll see that Harper has the true vision for Canada.

punked · October 14, 2012

The policy and platform of the democrats is much in line with the Tories of Canada. You may be afraid to admit it but you have a lot more in common with Pm Harper than you'd like to admit. Sure the stuff the NDP says sounds good but the stuff the Tories say is realistic. Don't listen to the hype over at rabble read for yourself and you'll see that Harper has the true vision for Canada.

It really isn't. You are uninformed on what you are sayin. How about you compare the two on taxes, how about OAS vs. SS. They are very very different parties on the big questions.

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Argus · October 14, 2012

1. The American's major problem is a big deficit. That deficit came about through tax cuts. The solution, according to the Republicans, is... more tax cuts.

That strikes me as really goofy. Even Reagan raised taxes when he need to, but the Republican seem to think of tax hikes in the same vein as sacrificing babies to Satan.

2. Most Americans are not wealthy. They have a number of problems and issues throughout their lives, often relating to money. When Romney talks about 'ordinary Americans' it almost sounds like a guy who just got back from a safari talking about the quaint villages he's visited. Romey doesn't understand ordinary people, their concerns, or issues, and frankly, doesn't care either.

3. Romney will exacerbate an already bad situation where the middle class is shrinking, the poor are growing, and power and wealth are concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, turning the US into an oligarchy controlled by the rich in their walled palaces while everyone else works 12 hrs days struggling to survive.

Shady · October 15, 2012

Leaving aside any discussion of social conservatism, I'll give you 4 reasons:

(1) tax cuts for corporations and the rich.

Both Obama and Romney want to lower the corporate tax rate. It's twice the size as ours by the way. No tax cuts for the rich, but all rates would be lowered. However, wealthy individuals would see their deductions closed or lessened significantly. So, you have no idea what you're talking about, as usual.

(2) big increase in military spending.

I wouldn't want to see a big increase in imilitary spending. But from what I've read, if you don't want to slash spending the way Obama wants to to the military, it's been characterized as a big spending increase. So more nonsens.e

(3) both of those things will be paid for with the elimination of benefits and programs for regular Americans.

More complete nonsense and Obama fanboy talking points. No benefits and programs would be eliminated for "regular" Americans, whatever that means.

(4) a return to the cult-like devotion to deregulation that played a major role in destroying the economy in the first place.

Once again, just more Obama fanboy talking points and complete nonsense. Nobody's talking about deregualtion. But there's such thing as good and bad regulations. The major role in destroying the economy was the government. Manipulating the housing market, and lowering mortgage standards. Nobody's talking about doing that again. Although Obama played a major role in suing banks for "discriminatory lending." Ie, not lending to people that wouldn't normally qualify.

Once again, you pettle the same untruths and outright lies.

Shady · October 15, 2012

1. The American's major problem is a big deficit. That deficit came about through tax cuts. The solution, according to the Republicans, is... more tax cuts.

Nope, the major driver of the deficit is massively expanding entitlement programs, and hte recession that still has 20 million people that were working, out of work.

That strikes me as really goofy. Even Reagan raised taxes when he need to, but the Republican seem to think of tax hikes in the same vein as sacrificing babies to Satan.

Well, I agree with you. You're ridiculous strawman is pretty goofy. Reagan's tax cuts are still in place. And his tax cuts dwarfed any small and targeted tax hikes. Learn some history, or stop posting in the American politics section. You're ignorance is growing tiresome.

2. Most Americans are not wealthy. They have a number of problems and issues throughout their lives, often relating to money. When Romney talks about 'ordinary Americans' it almost sounds like a guy who just got back from a safari talking about the quaint villages he's visited. Romey doesn't understand ordinary people, their concerns, or issues, and frankly, doesn't care either.

You have absolutely no idea if that's true or not. To me, when Obama talks about small business, he sounds like a guy who just got back from a safar talking about the quaint villiages he's visited too. He doesn't understand business or the economy at all.

3. Romney will exacerbate an already bad situation where the middle class is shrinking, the poor are growing, and power and wealth are concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, turning the US into an oligarchy controlled by the rich in their walled palaces while everyone else works 12 hrs days struggling to survive.

More nonsense. It's Obama that's been shrinking the middle class. His burdensome regulations, and the overall economic uncertaintly he's created, has done more harm to the middle class than any president in the history of the country. He's made it more difficult to start a business. He's made it more difficult to create jobs. He's made in more likely people will need to apply for disability, or foodstamps, or welfare. He's completely eviserated the middle class. All under the guise of "caring" for them. It's not just ironic, it's disgusting. And I'll be glad when that pompous, know-thing, economic illiterate is finally out of the white house.

dre · October 15, 2012

The major role in destroying the economy was the government. Manipulating the housing market, and lowering mortgage standards.

Oh yeah? Show us the law that lowered mortgage standards?

Argus · October 15, 2012

The United states has higher corporate taxes than Canada, by far. Their corporate taxes are uncompetitive with the rest of the world, which makes the US a relatively unattractive place to do business - ie. Create jobs. Cutting corporate taxes simply puts the US in line with other countries on corporate taxes. A smart thing to do.

The US has one of the lowest corporate tax structures in the world. The fact it looks higher on paper is irrelevent. When you get down to the nitty gritty the corporations have put in enough loopholes and writeoffs and refunds to wind up paying nothing. The mere fact companies like Google, hugely profitable companies located in the United States can rent a post office box in Bermuda and write off hundreds of millions by pretending to be a foreign corporation is utterly insane.

Reducing capital gains tax is also a good thing. It encourages investment in business, which, again, creates jobs.

Is there any evidence capital gains taxes have any influence on whether someone invests in something or not? I''ve never seen any.

I think Kimmy is right that the GOP wants to maintain a strong defence while the Dems want to cut it. So what? The first job of any real nation is to have a strong military.

The first step to a strong military is paying for it. How do they intend to do that while cutting 20% off revenues when they already have a 30% deficit?

As for "gutting programs that help regular Americans", well this is just simply political boilerplate. Look at the growth of entitlement spending in the united states. It has grown 757%, adjusted for inflation, since 1962. I would hardly say the US government is want for enough "programs" "helping" "regular" people.

All civilized nations have seen huge increases in spending on social welfare programs since that point in time. That's when they all implimented public pensions, employment insurance, and things like public health care. But the US spends less on public welfare than all other G8 countries, less than, as far as I know, all western nations.

The Republicans aren't against government spending. They're against government spending on ordinary people. They sure haven't uttered a peep about cutting back on things like the obscene agricultural and mining subsidies which mostly go to large corporations.

Argus · October 15, 2012

Nope, the major driver of the deficit is massively expanding entitlement programs, and hte recession that still has 20 million people that were working, out of work.]

I know this has been the Republican talking point for some time now, but it's such a dumbass complaint I can't help laugh. Here you have a rich man wearing a half million in gold and diamond jewelery driving an old, cramped Ford Pinto and whining to his wife and kids jammed in that he can't afford all all this luxury. Meanwhile, all around him, his neighbors, none of whom have as much money as him, are whizzing past him in 2012 Toyotas, Hondas, and Hyundais.

Read my lips. The Americans have the most miserly entitlement programs in the western world. Everyone else seems able to afford theirs. How come the Americans are going bankrupt because of their crappy Pinto?

You have absolutely no idea if that's true or not.

Do you think Romney ever had to worry for a single day about how to pay a bill, or what would happen if he lost his job? Do you think he's even friends with anyone who has?

More nonsense. It's Obama that's been shrinking the middle class. His burdensome regulations, and the overall economic uncertaintly he's created,

The middle class has been shrinking long before Obama came along, and the 'overall economic uncertainty' can be laid squarely on the head of the Republican party and the Wall Street financiers. In a country less corrupt the big honchos of the financial institutions that ran it into the ground would all be in prison today.

cybercoma · October 16, 2012

Breaking News: Ohio Supreme Court to allow early voting.

betsy · October 20, 2012

If Christians will vote based on faith, yes he will definitely lose.

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After Romney meeting, Billy Graham axes Mormonism from cult list

By Yukio Strachan

Oct 19, 2012 - 2 hours ago in Politics

After famed evangelist Billy Graham met with Mitt Romney, saying he would do all he could to help the Romney campaign, Graham's Evangelistic Association removed from its website Mormonism, where it was listed with Scientology as a religious cult.

The article was deleted following a visit by Mitt Romney to Graham's Montreat, N.C. home Oct. 11.

On Tuesday, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association confirmed that page has recently been removed from the site, CNN said.

“Our primary focus at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association has always been promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ," Ken Barun, chief of staff for the association, told CNN in a statement. "We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign."

After their meeting, Graham, 93, issued a statement that said in part, "What impresses me even more than Gov. Romney's successful career are his values and strong moral convictions."

"It was a privilege to pray with Gov. Romney—for his family and our country," Graham added.

A Romney campaign staffer said Graham pledged to do all he can to help Romney's presidential campaign.

After issuing that statement, a gay rights group pointed out that the "cult" reference remained online, even after Graham's positive comments about Romney's bid for the White House, KSL news reported.

Billy Graham's son, Franklin Graham, wrote a column for Decision magazine that concludes Evangelical Christians can indeed vote for a Mormon.

"While there are major differences in the theology of evangelical Christians and that of Mormons, as well as those who practice the Catholic faith or the Jewish faith, we do share common values that are biblically based," he wrote.

"I pray that all Christians and God-fearing Americans, will put aside labels and vote for principles - God's principles - that for many years have resulted in His blessing upon our nation," he added.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/335107#ixzz29mfNpCEC

Franklin Graham came out right and said he'd already voted, and that he voted for Romney.

punked · October 20, 2012

If Christians will vote based on faith, yes he will definitely lose.

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Franklin Graham came out right and said he'd already voted, and that he voted for Romney.

You do know that 2012 is the first year in US history that Protestant no longer make up a majority in the US. A sure way to lose now and lose the future is to hook up with a falling star. Keep on winning the white Protestant vote it is only getting small in America but bigger in your radical party.

betsy · October 20, 2012

You do know that 2012 is the first year in US history that Protestant no longer make up a majority in the US. A sure way to lose now and lose the future is to hook up with a falling star. Keep on winning the white Protestant vote it is only getting small in America but bigger in your radical party.

I'm talking....CHRISTIANS.

punked · October 20, 2012

I'm talking....CHRISTIANS.

Considering Obama is winning Catholics I guess Romney can't win then right?

bleeding heart · October 20, 2012

If Christians will vote based on faith, yes he will definitely lose.

After famed evangelist Billy Graham met with Mitt Romney, saying he would do all he could to help the Romney campaign, Graham's Evangelistic Association removed from its website Mormonism, where it was listed with Scientology as a religious cult.

Graham's partisan politics trumps Graham's religious convictions. Too sweet.