Could Obama lose?

[Shady]

I thought the polls weren't trustworthy! Why would someone bet a million dollars they don't have based on information from a source they said was unreliable just a couple of weeks ago?

You're obviously being obtuse. My complaints of the polls had to do with the ridiculous partisan splits that weren't realistic, and didn't reveal the actual make up of the electorate.

[Smallc]

You're obviously being obtuse. My complaints of the polls had to do with the ridiculous partisan splits that weren't realistic, and didn't reveal the actual make up of the electorate.

[Guest Derek L]

I'm not sure if he'll win Pennsylvania, but he'll certainly win Florida, Virginia and North Carolina.

You never know:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203400604578071003656923258.html

From a blog............but:

http://sprblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/mitt-romney-can-win-pennsylvania-because-he-is-winning-the-jobs-argument/

[Smallc]

Romney is the still the one with a hill to climb.

[Guest Derek L]

Romney is the still the one with a hill to climb.

And 32 years ago, so did this guy:

.........The more things change......

Edited October 22, 2012 by Derek L

[Smallc]

Romney is an empty guy. I just can't see him besting Obama.

[Guest Derek L]

Romney is an empty guy. I just can't see him besting Obama.

Funny enough, in 1980, the same (and worse) was said about this guy:

His retort:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOaXTNVimJI&feature=related

[Guest Derek L]

I guess we shall know in just about 16 days:

[Shady]

Lifelong Democrat Lee Iacocca has endorsed Mitt Romney.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/18/auto-industry-titan-lee-iacocca-endorses-romney/

[Shady]

Romney is an empty guy. I just can't see him besting Obama.

It always makes me laugh when an Obama supporter calls somebody else empty. It's rich coming from the emptiest politician in history. Hope n change!!! LOL!

[Smallc]

Obama wasn't empty though, and neither was his presidency. I don't know why you continue to label me something that I'm not though. As recently as July, I was rooting for Romney. I realize now though that he's the worst kind of fake populist, and that his presidency would be less uninspiring than any in the last 50 years.

[Shady]

Obama wasn't empty though, and neither was his presidency. I don't know why you continue to label me something that I'm not though. As recently as July, I was rooting for Romney. I realize now though that he's the worst kind of fake populist, and that his presidency would be less uninspiring than any in the last 50 years.

Nope. Obama's '08 campaign of hope n change was completely empty. As is his current campaign. He wants 4 more years but he's yet to articulate his vision for another term. He's been president for four years and he's made everything worse. I don't care if somebody else is uninspiring, rehiring the current failure isn't an option. Hope n change! Err, this time its "forward."

Even emptier. Just like his cult of personality, and the kind that supports him.

[Smallc]

He's been president for four years and he's made everything worse.

That is absolute utter BS. There's no other way to describe it.

Even emptier. Just like his cult of personality, and the kind that supports him.

Just like your unwavering support of one party, no matter what? Yeah, it's not quite that kind of empty.

[Guest Derek L]

Lifelong Democrat Lee Iacocca has endorsed Mitt Romney.

http://m.washingtonp...ndorses-romney/

He supported "W" in 2000..........http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/24/iacocca.kerry/

[Shady]

He supported "W" in 2000..........http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/24/iacocca.kerry/

And John Kerry in '04, and Obama in '08.

[Smallc]

And John Kerry in '04, and Obama in '08.

So, that makes him a lifelong Democrat...even though he supported a Republican just 12 years ago?

[Guest Derek L]

And John Kerry in '04, and Obama in '08.

Just a quick google to find he was also an appointment of the Reagan administration.........I'm a Conservative born-again Romney cheerleader, but you where just plain wrong..........

[Shady]

Just a quick google to find he was also an appointment of the Reagan administration.........I'm a Conservative born-again Romney cheerleader, but you where just plain wrong..........

No I'm not wrong. He's been a registered Democrat his whole life and he's supported Democrats 9 times out of 10.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/19/lee-iacocca-endorses-romney-for-president/

[Guest Derek L]

No I'm not wrong. He's been a registered Democrat his whole life and he's supported Democrats 9 times out of 10.

http://www.humaneven...-for-president/

Who did he vote for in 1980? and '84? From your own link:

What makes Iacocca’s endorsement of Romney particularly newsworthy is that, although he has long insisted he is an independent, the onetime auto titan has a history of supporting more Democrats than Republicans. He backed George W. Bush for president in 2000, but then backed John Kerry in 2004.

[cybercoma]

7 of the last 8 polls show Romney leading in Florida. The latest one by 5. I'll bet you a million dollars Obama loses Florida on Nov 6th.

Almost every single one of those polls is within the margin of error. Gallup is worthless because their sampling techniques are outdated, which is why they were the most inaccurate pollster in 2008. In other words, Obama and Romney are statistically tied in almost every poll and you, once again, are a liar.

[cybercoma]

Lee Iacocca votes for whichever candidate is going to give him the biggest tax break. In any case, does anyone really give a crap what Lee Iacocca thinks in 2012?

[Shady]

Lee Iacocca votes for whichever candidate is going to give him the biggest tax break. In any case, does anyone really give a crap what Lee Iacocca thinks in 2012?

Nice, didn't know you're a mind reader.

[betsy]

Just came across this while researching for another topic in another forum:

A Call to Political Responsibility from the Catholic Bishops of the United States

Moved to World News since most political topics are discussed there.

Here is the introductory note:

The Catholic Bishops of the United States are pleased to re-propose to our people Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship, our teaching document on the political responsibility of Catholics. This statement, overwhelmingly adopted by the body of bishops in 2007, represents the continuing teaching of our Bishops’ Conference and our guidance for Catholics in the exercise of their rights and duties as participants in our democracy. We urge our Catholic pastors and people to continue to use this important statement to help them form their consciences, to contribute to civil and respectful public dialogue, and to shape their choices in the coming election in the light of Catholic teaching.

The statement lifts up our dual heritage as both faithful Catholics and American citizens. We are members of a community of faith with a long tradition of teaching and action on human life, and dignity, marriage and family, justice and peace, care for creation, and the common good. As Americans, we are also blessed with religious liberty which safeguards our right to bring our principles and moral convictions into the public arena. These Constitutional freedoms need to be both exercised and protected, as some seek to mute the voices or limit the freedoms of religious believers and religious institutions. Catholics have the same rights and duties as others to participate fully in public life. The Church through its institutions must be free to carry out its mission and contribute to the common good without being pressured to sacrifice fundamental teachings and moral principles.

Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship is widely used to share Catholic teaching on the role of faith and conscience in political life. Although it has at times been misused to present an incomplete or distorted view of the demands of faith in politics, this statement remains a faithful and challenging call to discipleship in the world of politics. It does not offer a voters guide, scorecard of issues, or direction on how to vote. It applies Catholic moral principles to a range of important issues and warns against misguided appeals to “conscience” to ignore fundamental moral claims, to reduce Catholic moral concerns to one or two matters, or to justify choices simply to advance partisan, ideological, or personal interests. It does not offer a quantitative listing of issues for equal consideration, but outlines and makes important distinctions among moral issues acknowledging outlined in the second half of Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship remain pressing national issues. In particular, our Conference is focused on several current and fundamental problems, some involving opposition to intrinsic evils and others raising serious moral questions:

• Continuing destruction of unborn children through abortion and other threats to the lives and dignity of others who are vulnerable, sick, or unwanted;

• Renewed efforts to force Catholic ministries—in health care, education, and social services—to violate their consciences or stop serving those in need;

• Intensifying efforts to redefine marriage and enact measures which undermine marriage as the permanent, faithful, and fruitful union of one man and one woman and a fundamental moral and social institution essential to the common good;

• An economic crisis which has devastated lives and livelihoods, increasing national and global unemployment, poverty, and hunger; increasing deficits and debt and the duty to respond in ways which protect those who are poor and vulnerable as well as future generations;

• The failure to repair a broken immigration system with comprehensive

measures that promote true respect for law, protect the human rights and dignity of immigrants and refugees, recognize their contributions to our nation, keep families together, and advance the common good;

• Wars, terror, and violence which raise serious moral questions on the use of force and its human and moral costs in a dangerous world, particularly the absence of justice, security, and peace in the Holy Land and throughout the Middle East.

In this coming election and beyond, we urge leaders and all Catholics to share the message of faithful citizenship and to use this document in forming their own consciences, so we can act together to promote and protect human life and dignity, marriage and family, justice and peace in service to the common good. This kind of political responsibility is a requirement of our faith and our duty as citizens.

Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan

President, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=669870

If Catholics will heed this call, Obama is a goner.

[punked]

Just came across this while researching for another topic in another forum:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=669870

If Catholics will heed this call, Obama is a goner.

You are going to look stupid when Obama wins Catholics. He is way ahead I am every state with large Catholic populations you just have Romnesia where instead of looking at facts you make them up instead.

[Wayward Son]

If Catholics will heed this call, Obama is a goner.

I don't think I even know one catholic who gives a damn what the bishops say.