The_Squid Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) And the trash from Vicki-leack was just music to your ears? A marriage that falls apart is fair? So that was "trash".... No, I think the request for information is fair. It lends itself to what the values of the Party are.. Very fair And this is "fair"? LOL Hypocritical much??? No one with any sort of credibility is doubting as to what killed Jack. That comes straight from the idiot conservative bloggers and some idiots on internet forums who gleefully trample on a person's grave.... Edited August 23, 2012 by The_Squid Quote
scribblet Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 Well, the last one of that crowd to do that was Stockwell Day and he managed to destroy his party over it! Understandable if it spooked any others in their caucus. LOL really, it does tick off some people that Harper never discusses his religion, all they can do is write about is supposition and innuendo. Day did wear his religion on his sleeve until he lost the leadership. Since then he doesn't talk about and did do a good job in his portfolio. As far as Jack Layton goes, the adoration is bordering on idolatry. - kinda creepy. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Wild Bill Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 huh! Aren't you the guy trumpeting the need for transparency? Wasn't that you... using your head? Man, I wish I had your energy sometimes Waldo. Jumping to all those conclusions sure keeps you in shape! If you had actually read what I had said, I personally had no problem with Layton's family feeling any need for privacy. My issue was with all the NDP supporters who practice a double standard. I would be happier if the NDP folks just all shut up and treated their political rivals in these personal situations as they themselves would like to be treated. From my experience and perspective, they are the ones who demonize their rivals while claiming to be saints themselves. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
WWWTT Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Posted August 23, 2012 Again, a "little transparence" would be nice.. Thats all we are asking. You wwwoot would ask for NOTHING less from a Tory.... Ya until you can prove I would make any such claim you are engaging in speculation. Or in other words "spewin crap" WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Posted August 23, 2012 And the trash from Vicki-leack was just music to your ears? A marriage that falls apart is fair? No, I think the request for information is fair. It lends itself to what the values of the Party are.. Very fair You are trying to bring American style politics to Canada. Seems to be a big hit for conservatives but doesn't extend beyond there. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
waldo Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 ... any update on Baird stating his sexual preference... I'm not sure why he's so hesitant to officially come out - I thought we lived in more enlightened times!(waldo caveat: assuming the rumours are true... I just wish Harper, Baird and the CPC would put this to rest, once and for all) guys, guys... your transparency call has heightened, as you say, Canadians desire to know. Baird's outwardly aggressive and boisterous 'manly man' self surely belies all those rumours that he assumes the twink role, even to a submissive level. Any chance you can throw a (Baird) bone here? Quote
wyly Posted August 24, 2012 Report Posted August 24, 2012 I wouldn't ask for any such thing. It's not relevant. And only callous people with poor taste would worry about it. So...there we are! what business is it of anyone, what kind of slack jawed yokel thinks they have the right to know?...no doubt the type that read the Sun or other low brow tabloids... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Fletch 27 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Posted August 24, 2012 (edited) No, American style politics was brought to you by the NDP. Closed, sequestered, impermeable and full of lies... The secrecy and lack of transparency has gone on for far too long. Why the secrecy? Why the silence? Why the half truths? This party is not even in power and throwing the wool over its "minions"... Sad I hope this is not the legacy... You are trying to bring American style politics to Canada. Seems to be a big hit for conservatives but doesn't extend beyond there. WWWTT Edited August 24, 2012 by Fletch 27 Quote
punked Posted August 24, 2012 Report Posted August 24, 2012 No, American style politics was brought to you by the NDP. Closed, sequestered, impermeable and full of lies... The secrecy and lack of transparency has gone on for far too long. Why the secrecy? Why the silence? Why the half truths? This party is not even in power and throwing the wool over its "minions"... Sad I hope this is not the legacy... This is what we call the Bush strategy everyone. Find your parties biggest weakness then lie about the other party of being worse. Want work people know Canada aren't that dumb. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 24, 2012 Report Posted August 24, 2012 what business is it of anyone, what kind of slack jawed yokel thinks they have the right to know? Partisan knuckledraggers, I presume. Especially since the underlying premise appears to be AIDs...and everyone knows that only bad people get AIDs! Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
BubberMiley Posted August 24, 2012 Report Posted August 24, 2012 Partisan knuckledraggers, I presume. No, Canadians. Canadians want to know! Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
PIK Posted August 24, 2012 Report Posted August 24, 2012 Now that is a little taste of the NDP BS we had to put up with. As I had said before, "be carefull what you wish for" you never know it might come back to bite you. LOL Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Tilter Posted August 24, 2012 Report Posted August 24, 2012 Why? Since Mulcair became leader they've led or have been tied with the Conservatives, how's that different then 2009? Does anyone in the ndpeepers realize that their provincial party in Ont lost 6% of their popularity to the Libs & PCs in the last poll? Could it be that the people didn't want the NDP to make deals with Mcpremier-------------------------- and then turn snake-in-the-grass at the last moment? just imagine how the loyal suckers (ndp rank & file) felt about the first betrayal and then the reneging in the end? I guess the ndp leader's next portrait in the news will have a face that was cooked in the waffle iron. Quote
Tilter Posted August 24, 2012 Report Posted August 24, 2012 what business is it of anyone, what kind of slack jawed yokel thinks they have the right to know?...no doubt the type that read the Sun or other low brow tabloids... No--- more likely the Star-ry-eyed idiots who voted for that paper's champions in the fed-elect. They'll believe anything put out by that rag. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 24, 2012 Report Posted August 24, 2012 Now that is a little taste of the NDP BS we had to put up with. As I had said before, "be carefull what you wish for" you never know it might come back to bite you. LOL Yes, there was no rancour, no partisanship, no bs, no insults...politics was a land of dreams and civility. Until the NDP supporters arrived under a baleful cloud and ruined it all. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
WWWTT Posted August 24, 2012 Author Report Posted August 24, 2012 No, American style politics was brought to you by the NDP. Closed, sequestered, impermeable and full of lies... The secrecy and lack of transparency has gone on for far too long. Why the secrecy? Why the silence? Why the half truths? This party is not even in power and throwing the wool over its "minions"... Sad I hope this is not the legacy... Ya you know until you provide links,this is just more of your biased opinion. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Fletch 27 Posted August 24, 2012 Report Posted August 24, 2012 Well duhhhh.... Of coarse its my opinion and thousands more.. The ndp's disdain for the Canadian population is actually kind of scary! Ya you know until you provide links,this is just more of your biased opinion. WWWTT Quote
madmax Posted August 25, 2012 Report Posted August 25, 2012 Does anyone in the ndpeepers realize that their provincial party in Ont lost 6% of their popularity to the Libs & PCs in the last poll? Could it be that the people didn't want the NDP to make deals with Mcpremier-------------------------- Thread drift.... This thread is about the Federal NDP one year after Jack has passed. And as you have made an interesting comment, toss it over to the Provincial Politics and I would be happy to follow a discussion on your comment. Quote
ironstone Posted August 25, 2012 Report Posted August 25, 2012 This is what we call the Bush strategy everyone. Find your parties biggest weakness then lie about the other party of being worse. Want work people know Canada aren't that dumb. The biggest weakness of the NDP is their actual policy platform.Who in their right mind wants Canada to end up like Greece? However,the NDP has some huge advantages over the Conservatives,namely,the bar is set much lower for them than the Harper government courtesy of the consensus media.Illegal campaign donations from unions scarcely got mentioned if at all.How would the press have reacted if Harper had been caught naked in that massage parlour?Why so little scrutiny of Libby Davies and her hatred of Israel?Why no criticism of a party that runs a candidate in a riding in Quebec that never bothers to set foot there(she ends up winning....some Canadians are indeed that dumb) and DOES NOT SPEAK FRENCH?I have read on more than one occasion that Thomas Mulcair has a rather short fuse but that fact is not repeated endlessly by the media,unlike Harper supposedly being a control freak. As for Jack Layton,of course I was saddened by his death and have sympathy for his family,but not in a million years would I have voted for him.Quite frankly,I think it's tasteless how the NDP is exploiting his name but I have no doubt Jack would have approved. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
WWWTT Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Posted August 25, 2012 The biggest weakness of the NDP is their actual policy platform.Who in their right mind wants Canada to end up like Greece? However,the NDP has some huge advantages over the Conservatives,namely,the bar is set much lower for them than the Harper government courtesy of the consensus media.Illegal campaign donations from unions scarcely got mentioned if at all.How would the press have reacted if Harper had been caught naked in that massage parlour?Why so little scrutiny of Libby Davies and her hatred of Israel?Why no criticism of a party that runs a candidate in a riding in Quebec that never bothers to set foot there(she ends up winning....some Canadians are indeed that dumb) and DOES NOT SPEAK FRENCH?I have read on more than one occasion that Thomas Mulcair has a rather short fuse but that fact is not repeated endlessly by the media,unlike Harper supposedly being a control freak. As for Jack Layton,of course I was saddened by his death and have sympathy for his family,but not in a million years would I have voted for him.Quite frankly,I think it's tasteless how the NDP is exploiting his name but I have no doubt Jack would have approved. You are speaking/writing of matters that are distasteful to hard core conservatives. And actually,I am pleased that the NDP have some standards to discourage hard core right wingers from turning to the NDP! Look at what happened to the liberals who welcomed everyone with open arms. At least when the conservatives start losing touch with reality and have no chance of being in power you can go back to the liberals.I am sure they will welcome you back! You are right about Jack approving his fellow NDP believers continuing to remember him the way he wanted to be remembered. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
madmax Posted August 26, 2012 Report Posted August 26, 2012 The biggest weakness of the NDP is their actual policy platform.Who in their right mind wants Canada to end up like Greece? However,the NDP has some huge advantages over the Conservatives,namely,the bar is set much lower for them than the Harper government courtesy of the consensus media.Illegal campaign donations from unions scarcely got mentioned if at all.How would the press have reacted if Harper had been caught naked in that massage parlour?Why so little scrutiny of Libby Davies and her hatred of Israel?Why no criticism of a party that runs a candidate in a riding in Quebec that never bothers to set foot there(she ends up winning....some Canadians are indeed that dumb) and DOES NOT SPEAK FRENCH?I have read on more than one occasion that Thomas Mulcair has a rather short fuse but that fact is not repeated endlessly by the media,unlike Harper supposedly being a control freak. As for Jack Layton,of course I was saddened by his death and have sympathy for his family,but not in a million years would I have voted for him.Quite frankly,I think it's tasteless how the NDP is exploiting his name but I have no doubt Jack would have approved. Interesting post. The fact that you know the above is that its all been in the media. Infact its all been heavily covered. Even the absurd comments and accusations have been covered and covered over again. And the media often coughs up the Conservative spin of the NDP and its Greece analogy. Seems you know that Mulcair has a short fuse, I believe it was all over the media and especially before he became Leader. But in order to report a short fuse he is still required to say something incredibly idiotic and stupid, like when Harper called Martin a Supporter of Child Porn and then went an hid in his trailer for a week. Even the young woman who ran in Quebec was reported and reported and reported, especially in Quebec papers and the more they mentioned her , and her absence as well as her first comment to a radio station when they realized her french was weak, her poll numbers went even higher vaulting her from 3rd to 1st to a massive lead. See the Conservatives , BQ and Libs , all present and previously in contention with one another were all rejected by those voters. Perhaps it say more about the candidates and the parties, kinda like when an animal keeps getting reelected vs a human as we have seen in the US. But, you want more, seems she has been doing an excellent job, superior to the previous incumbent and I wouldn't be surprised if her votes go even higher next time. I will agree with your last line, Jack would have wanted it this way.... Politics was his way of life. Quote
PIK Posted August 27, 2012 Report Posted August 27, 2012 Interesting post. The fact that you know the above is that its all been in the media. Infact its all been heavily covered. Even the absurd comments and accusations have been covered and covered over again. And the media often coughs up the Conservative spin of the NDP and its Greece analogy. Seems you know that Mulcair has a short fuse, I believe it was all over the media and especially before he became Leader. But in order to report a short fuse he is still required to say something incredibly idiotic and stupid, like when Harper called Martin a Supporter of Child Porn and then went an hid in his trailer for a week. Even the young woman who ran in Quebec was reported and reported and reported, especially in Quebec papers and the more they mentioned her , and her absence as well as her first comment to a radio station when they realized her french was weak, her poll numbers went even higher vaulting her from 3rd to 1st to a massive lead. See the Conservatives , BQ and Libs , all present and previously in contention with one another were all rejected by those voters. Perhaps it say more about the candidates and the parties, kinda like when an animal keeps getting reelected vs a human as we have seen in the US. But, you want more, seems she has been doing an excellent job, superior to the previous incumbent and I wouldn't be surprised if her votes go even higher next time. I will agree with your last line, Jack would have wanted it this way.... Politics was his way of life. Only one year after his death and his party had to pay beck 340g's in illegal union donations. Jack would have been so proud. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted August 27, 2012 Report Posted August 27, 2012 Only one year after his death and his party had to pay beck 340g's in illegal union donations. Jack would have been so proud. actually... it's in relation to both union and corporate advertising monies received from unions/corporations advertising at the NDP conventions. it is also interesting to realize that in 2003 the NDP sought related guidance from Elections Canada as to whether money obtained through selling advertising would be considered a political contribution. The Elections Canada response: Where a person or entity purchases goods or services from a registered party with the intention of economically benefiting the party, the payment for goods and services will not constitute contributions to the extent that the payment reflects the fair market value of the goods and services purchased. Any amount of the payment above the fair market value will constitute a contribution if the person purchasing the good and service intended to benefit the party. the NDP has stated they believe they were in compliance with the Elections Canada response received... but chose not to pursue the matter through the Courts. More pointedly: the NDP also sought legal opinion and hired a third-party company to assess what fair market value for advertising would be in advance of each of the three policy conventions in question and followed those recommendations. Brad Lavigne, former national director of the NDP, said this shows the party intended to stay within the rules. “We put an emphasis on going to a third-party company to assess market value in order to keep (to) the letter as well as the spirit of the law,” Lavigne said. “We felt that while it wasn’t legally necessary to seek third-party validation for market value, we felt that it would be appropriate and well worth the investment.” Quote
Tilter Posted August 27, 2012 Report Posted August 27, 2012 I just demand the same treatment as a conservative would be given. If it was harper you and everyone else would be having a heyday, so I thought I would just throw it right back at ya. Don't like it do ya. So back to the question, what was it or was jack gay and died of aids and they are to embarressed to say? Which does not bother me at all if he was, jack was a nice guy. But concerned canadians want to know. Remember-- PM Harper has never been found at a jackjoint. Quote
WWWTT Posted August 28, 2012 Author Report Posted August 28, 2012 it is also interesting to realize that in 2003 the NDP sought related guidance from Elections Canada as to whether money obtained through selling advertising would be considered a political contribution. Yep pretty much sums it up.End of story. Getting a third party to independently appraise the value of the advertising tells me that there was a conflict here with the numbers being thrown around.Perhaps now that the NDP are much more popular I would believe that advertising at one of their conventions would now cost more. I remember when the conservatives were found guilty of the in and out scheme they were saying all the other parties were doing it(without any evidence of course). Good to see the NDP admitting up to this dispute and putting it behind them. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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