Nam all over again

[Topaz]

Boomers will remember when the soldiers came home from Nam and some of them to show their views on the war, threw their medals away, well the next generation did the same today in the US. Soldiers who have served in both wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, wanted to give their medals back to NATO, but because of the security surrounding the G8 leaders, they threw them instead. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/veterans-symbolically-discard-medals-anti-nato-rally-235355143.html

[Guest Derek L]

Boomers will remember when the soldiers came home from Nam and some of them to show their views on the war, threw their medals away, well the next generation did the same today in the US. Soldiers who have served in both wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, wanted to give their medals back to NATO, but because of the security surrounding the G8 leaders, they threw them instead. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/veterans-symbolically-discard-medals-anti-nato-rally-235355143.html

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Nearly 50 U.S. military veterans at an anti-NATO rally in Chicago threw their service medals into the street on Sunday, an action they said symbolized their rejection of the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Soldiers who have served in both wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, wanted to give their medals back to NATO, but because of the security surrounding the G8 leaders, they threw them instead.

Iraq was not a NATO joint. Boomers will remember far more running for the Canadian border as draft dodgers.

[Guest Derek L]

Iraq was not a NATO joint. Boomers will remember far more running for the Canadian border as draft dodgers.

How many members in your armed forces, including Reserves, National Guard and Coast Guard? What 2 ½ million?

[jacee]

Boomers will remember when the soldiers came home from Nam and some of them to show their views on the war, threw their medals away, well the next generation did the same today in the US. Soldiers who have served in both wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, wanted to give their medals back to NATO, but because of the security surrounding the G8 leaders, they threw them instead. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/veterans-symbolically-discard-medals-anti-nato-rally-235355143.html

I read that and saw it on tv and I can't tell you how emotional it made me feel.

(Damn! There it is again!)

I watched (from a patio) reserve soldiers get off the training bus today.

They are children.

We send them off to wars for the profit of the 1%.

They die, are permanently disabled, mentally and emotionally damaged ... it's horrendous.

I am so proud of veterans who stand up and speak the truth.

War is hell. War for profit is obscene.

And Derek ... if you ... oh never mind.

Edited May 22, 2012 by jacee

[Signals.Cpl]

How many members in your armed forces, including Reserves, National Guard and Coast Guard? What 2 ½ million?

Almost 3 million, so the 50 does not seem like a large number. Im sure we can get 50 Canadians or Americans who were ashamed to fight the Nazi's.

[bush_cheney2004]

How many members in your armed forces, including Reserves, National Guard and Coast Guard? What 2 ½ million?

Closer to 3 million including the Guard and Ready Reserve. For most of them, medal throwing grandstanders like John Kerry are not heroes.

[Signals.Cpl]

I read that and saw it on tv and I can't tell you how emotional it made me feel.

(Damn! There it is again!)

I watched (from a patio) reserve soldiers get off the training bus today.

They are children.

We send them off to wars for the profit of the 1%.

They die, are permanently disabled, mentally and emotionally damaged ... it's horrendous.

I am so proud of veterans who stand up and speak the truth.

War is hell. War for profit is obscene.

And Derek ... if you ... oh never mind.

And every single one of those soldiers is a volunteer knowing full well what is expected of them and why they joined up.

[bush_cheney2004]

....I am so proud of veterans who stand up and speak the truth.

Any schmuck can stand up for the truth when somebody else has to fight for the right to do so.

[Guest Derek L]

I read that and saw it on tv and I can't tell you how emotional it made me feel.

(Damn! There it is again!)

I watched (from a patio) reserve soldiers get off the training bus today.

They are children.

We send them off to wars for the profit of the 1%.

They die, are permanently disabled, mentally and emotionally damaged ... it's horrendous.

I am so proud of veterans who stand up and speak the truth.

War is hell. War for profit is obscene.

And Derek ... if you ... oh never mind.

We send them? The Americans, like us, are a 100% volunteer force and to call them children is a gross insult. The men and women that serve shouldn’t have the same moniker as those of the same age group that sleep in parks, interrupt classrooms, disrupt public transit etc……..The “protestors” are children and not made up of one tenth of the stuff it takes to voluntarily risk their lives for others.

[jacee]

We send them?

Yes. It's a political decision.

We should have stormed parliament instead.

... to call them children ...

My grandchildren are almost that old.

What I feel is horror at the thought ... and fury

... for others ...

... for profit ...

Edited May 22, 2012 by jacee

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes. It's a political decision.

Don't you get to vote?

... for profit ...

Profit is good.

[Guest Derek L]

Yes. It's a political decision.

... for profit ...

A political decision? What about if several parties from differing ends of the political spectrum agree with their use? Does this become a moral decision then?

Was the Second World war fought for profit alone?

[Signals.Cpl]

Yes. It's a political decision.

... for profit ...

So all those little girls getting and education was profit? Funny I don't remember how much Canada or the Us made out of that one. Or all those women who received rights, you know they became human beings rather then possessions. If you were a women in Afghanistan under the Taliban I would love to say you would have an opinion more like well most supporters of the Afghanistan mission but you wouldn't, mainly because you are a women and since you wouldn't even be considered a person, you opinion would be less then worthless. I would like to say that a vast majority of the Afghans want us there, unlike some of our peacekeeping missions where no one wanted us there. Plus we are actually doing more good in Afghanistan then pretty much any peacekeeping mission since world war 2 aside from Korea which was more of a peace enforcement mission.

[Guest Derek L]

Don't you get to vote?

Profit is good.

I read years back that during the mid thirties when Churchill was one of the lone members of Parliament decrying Nazi Germany and was written off as a loon, he bought a whole whack of Krupp Steel shares……..

[bush_cheney2004]

I read years back that during the mid thirties when Churchill was one of the lone members of Parliament decrying Nazi Germany and was written off as a loon, he bought a whole whack of Krupp Steel shares……..

:lol:

[jacee]

Iraq was not a NATO joint. Boomers will remember far more running for the Canadian border as draft dodgers.

Yes, I helped one.

Smart people.

[Guest Derek L]

:lol:

Just highlights his intelligence and foresight no? Purchase defence stocks before the war, not during

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes, I helped one.

Smart people.

Most came back...to face this:

[Wilber]

Worked with quite a few Vietnam vets during my contract days. Don't know of any who returned their medals. How some were treated when they got home was another matter. Some things don't seem to change.

[August1991]

Boomers will remember when the soldiers came home from Nam and some of them to show their views on the war, threw their medals away, well the next generation did the same today in the US. Soldiers who have served in both wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, wanted to give their medals back to NATO, but because of the security surrounding the G8 leaders, they threw them....

First Topaz, make no mistake: Vietnam was one battle in the Cold War. And America (the West) for the good of us all, won the Cold War. We lost Poland in 1939, but then we won it back.

Second, don't mix the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.

Third, Harper correctly said in Chicago that NATO's primary interest in Afghanistan was to show that no one in Afghanistan, or anyone in the world, should harbour people who threaten the West. I only fear whether these idiots got the message.

Nazi Germany certainly did. And I reckon that Hirohito's Japan did too.

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Topaz, the Berlin Wall is no more, and the Iron Curtain has fallen.

Twenty years later, too many western Marxist/socialist/leftist anti-Americans have not quite understood the meaning of this change.

In short, Americans ultimately won the Vietnam War just as the British ultimately won at Dunkerque.

Edited May 22, 2012 by August1991

[DogOnPorch]

But, we still insist on calling Saigon Ho Chi Minh City. It's on all the maps. It's kind of like calling Cairo Arab Spring City. But, hey... I hear the Georgia Strait is now the Salish Sea. Who knows what to call anything anymore?

[DogOnPorch]

Just highlights his intelligence and foresight no? Purchase defence stocks before the war, not during

Indeed, suh. Plus, your own abilitah to form a regiment for the Union/Confedera-sah. My fav was the 33rd Virginia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33rd_Virginia_Infantry

[August1991]

But, we still insist on calling Saigon Ho Chi Minh City. It's on all the maps. It's kind of like calling Cairo Arab Spring City. But, hey... I hear the Georgia Strait is now the Salish Sea. Who knows what to call anything anymore?

DogOnPorch, there was the Cold War.

In the Vietnam war/battle, many ordinary Americans did good.

America fought the Cold War, and won. For the good of us all.

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Nowadays, it is hard to understand this. But it's the truth.

The people who died fighting in Vietnam did good.

IMHO, this logic will cover: the parents/sisters might understand after all.

Thank God

Edited May 22, 2012 by August1991

[DogOnPorch]

DogOnPorch, there was the Cold War.

In the Vietnam war/battle, many ordinary Americans did good.

America fought the Cold War, and won. For the good of us all.

Me thinks you're not getting my Anglais slang-o-rama.