Omar

[PIK]

So I hear he is coming home. So what will happen?

IMO

1- Large hero's parade in toronto.

2- He will sue and collect 10 million.

3- He will be hosting his own show on the CBC.

Did I miss anything?

[Boges]

So I hear he is coming home. So what will happen?

IMO

1- Large hero's parade in toronto.

2- He will sue and collect 10 million.

3- He will be hosting his own show on the CBC.

Did I miss anything?

He'll get the Order of Canada for killing an American.

[The_Squid]

there is already a topic about this

[eyeball]

So I hear he is coming home. So what will happen?

Did I miss anything?

The thread over here on the very same topic.

[Topaz]

Correct me if I'm wrong but did the same people coming down on Omar do the same to the US Johnny Walker, who was 20 and went o jail but soon will be out with time served? If the US or NATO can kill innocent people in these two wars, and not have anyone go to jail, than why the outrage? Until he does something against Canadian law, people should just leave him alone when he is released from jail but I don't doubt someone will try to take him out before long.

[Guest Manny]

there is already a topic about this

Yeah but this gives everybody the opportunity to argue their talking points all over again...

[Guest Manny]

So I hear he is coming home. So what will happen?

He'll be charged with something new, like treason, and go to jail.

[PIK]

Correct me if I'm wrong but did the same people coming down on Omar do the same to the US Johnny Walker, who was 20 and went o jail but soon will be out with time served? If the US or NATO can kill innocent people in these two wars, and not have anyone go to jail, than why the outrage? Until he does something against Canadian law, people should just leave him alone when he is released from jail but I don't doubt someone will try to take him out before long.

My mistake for not seeing the other, but back to this, he left canada and went to afghanistan knowing he could be killing canadina soldiers, and yes he should be charged with treason the minute he arrives.

[eyeball]

My mistake for not seeing the other, but back to this, he left canada and went to afghanistan knowing he could be killing canadina soldiers, and yes he should be charged with treason the minute he arrives.

You're still mistaken and simply making up crap as you go.

[jacee]

My mistake for not seeing the other, but back to this, he left canada and went to afghanistan knowing he could be killing canadina soldiers, and yes he should be charged with treason the minute he arrives.

The Canadian Armed Forces were not in Afghanistan yet.

He went - at 7 years of age - because his father took him.

If those are your 'facts' your conclusion isn't valid.

[jacee]

He'll be charged with something new, like treason, and go to jail.

How so?

Again ... CAF was not in afghanistan at that time.

Also ... stop and think ... if Canada tried to bring any NEW charges against Omar, it would bring up the whole issue of him being a minor at the time.

It would be a media circus, and keep in mind that the Supreme Court has already ruled that the government violated Omar's rights by not intervening to bring him home (as EVERY other country did with their Guantanamo inmates, all of whom were adults, while Omar was still underage.

Look at the ongoing debates we have had here on this issue ... Do you really think Harper wants to dredge all of this up in the media again? I doubt it very much. He'll want to keep it all as quiet as possible.

After mulling it over for a long time, however, I do believe that Omar's parents should be held legally accountable for putting their minor son in harm's way. Since his father is dead, it would be his mother, and I don't think she should get off the hook completely. If it could be argued that she was under the control of the father and powerless, so be it, but I think the issue should be aired.

[Tilter]

He'll get the Order of Canada for killing an American.

There are a few large trees handy in High park to help us repatriate This fine upstanding Canadian lad.

I have a rope--- anyone with a 1/2 ton with good pickup?

[PIK]

The Canadian Armed Forces were not in Afghanistan yet.

He went - at 7 years of age - because his father took him.

If those are your 'facts' your conclusion isn't valid.

I used the wrong words ,lets do this over ,we went in 2001-2, he was captured in 02, weapons he made could have ended up killing canadians and the fact that if he was not caught then he could have killed more candadians. The only reason they wanted to have kids here ,becasue they know they can always come back between battles, get some health care and a rest and then back at it. Pretty sad ,when now in canada we fighting over people that wanted to do our fellow canadians harm ,so fucking sad. One of his brothers made it clear he wanted nothing to do with them. He got drafted by the wrong team,now it is time to pay the piper.

[Fletch 27]

He should be deported immediatly, all rights revoked when it comes to being a Canadian Citizen same day he arrives.. He should be travelling alone as his Sisters and Mother should be awaiting counts for Treason.. Simple as that..

[fellowtraveller]

He should be deported immediatly, all rights revoked when it comes to being a Canadian Citizen same day he arrives.. He should be travelling alone as his Sisters and Mother should be awaiting counts for Treason.. Simple as that..

Where would you deport him to, he was born in Toronto, is a Canadian citizen and did not make false application for citizenship? He gets the same rights as any Canadian citizen, which is due process under Canadian law, assuming he breaks a Canadian law..

[Fletch 27]

Ship em to France, teach him the phrase "im a refugee".. They will take in any terrorist..

Where would you deport him to, he was born in Toronto, is a Canadian citizen and did not make false application for citizenship? He gets the same rights as any Canadian citizen, which is due process under Canadian law, assuming he breaks a Canadian law..

[bleeding heart]

Ship em to France, teach him the phrase "im a refugee".. They will take in any terrorist..

Well, there's the inconvenient fact that we'd need to ask the French, and graciously, for their permission. Which of course we wouldn't get, because it's a preposterous idea. Even Noble and Perfect Canada cannot tell France what they must do.

[fellowtraveller]

Ship em to France, teach him the phrase "im a refugee".. They will take in any terrorist..

Not really. To get automatic admission to France you have to say, en Francais 'Hello, I am the former dictator of a former French colony in Africa, and installed in office by you. I have 1 billion Euros in cash stolen from my impoverished countrymen, several hundred thousand of whom I slaughtered because I could. May I come in and spend the rest of my life in comfort here?"

[Fletch 27]

Thats alot to learn and waaay too much for a name-tag!

Not really. To get automatic admission to France you have to say, en Francais 'Hello, I am the former dictator of a former French colony in Africa, and installed in office by you. I have 1 billion Euros in cash stolen from my impoverished countrymen, several hundred thousand of whom I slaughtered because I could. May I come in and spend the rest of my life in comfort here?"

[capricorn]

The only reason they wanted to have kids here ,becasue they know they can always come back between battles, get some health care and a rest and then back at it.

Omar Khadr's father Ahmed also used his trips back to Canada to raise funds for terrorist attacks.

In Toronto, another group was led by Ahmed Said Khadr, a friend of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. Khadr raised funds in Canada for Islamist attacks abroad, including the 1995 bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad, which killed 18 and injured 75.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/terrorism

BTW, Jean Chretien was instrumental in Ahmed Khadr's release from a Pakistani prison.

Ahmed Said Khadr became known to Canadians in 1996, when he was arrested in Pakistan and accused of complicity in a terrorist bombing of the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad, a bombing that killed 15 people. He went on a hunger strike and was interviewed by reporters in an Islamabad hospital. "I'm Canadian. I am 100 per cent innocent person," he said.

In January 1996, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien was on a Team Canada trade mission to Pakistan.

Ahmed Said Khadr's wife and some of their children came to Chrétien's hotel in Islamabad to plead the case of her husband. The oldest son, Abdullah, who was 15 at the time, remembers his encounter with the Canadian prime minister.

"He told me that 'once I was a son of a farmer, and I became prime minister. Maybe one day you will become one.' That was a nice compliment."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/alqaedafamily2.html

Had Chretien not involved himself at the time and let the Pakistanis deal with the senior Khadr, maybe the events where Omar Khadr killed that US medic would not have happened.

[Guest Manny]

How so?

Again ... CAF was not in afghanistan at that time.

Also ... stop and think ... if Canada tried to bring any NEW charges against Omar, it would bring up the whole issue of him being a minor at the time.

Well, I was only speculating but pretty sure they'd like to do that if they can. I think he has to spend some jail time here in any case, as part of the agreement to transfer him to Canada. That's what I remember reading anyway.

They've created a number of new laws that people aren't even aware of, in the guide of homeland security. These laws are secret and anyone charged with terrorism related charges, like supporting al Qaeda would be prosecuted in a secret trial, then go to a special prison for crimes of terror. It's possible they can hold you in detention indefinitely, without court conviction. This is Canada I'm talking about, not the US. It's here too now. They listen to our phone calls, watch our emails and online activity. They'll try to find a way to charge Omar under these new laws and lock him up for life.

Edited April 27, 2012 by Manny

[capricorn]

They've created a number of new laws that people aren't even aware of, in the guide of homeland security. These laws are secret and anyone charged with terrorism related charges, like supporting al Qaeda would be prosecuted in a secret trial,

Are you alluding to security certificates? If so, some judges are aware of the legislation that enacted the use of security certificates. And at least twice, judges have ruled the security certificate law is constitutional. Would you not agree that since most people really, really trust judges more than politicians (especially the Conservative type) that they don't mind some secrecy for the sake of national security?

then go to a special prison for crimes of terror.

Yes. Canada built special holding cells in 2006 for perps of crimes of terror. It's called the Kingston Immigration Holding Centre (KIHC).

The KIHC offers visiting hours from 12:30 to 4:00 pm daily (excluding statutory holidays), free one hour domestic long-distance phone privileges, third-party billing, access to a gym, canteen services, light-meal preparation facilities (re-heat only) and recreation periods; all which improved the detention conditions of those held under security certificates.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=3067171&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=39&Ses=1

Not too shabby.

They'll try to find a way to charge Omar under these new laws and lock him up for life.

I sure hope so. I think he'd like it at the KIHC.

[Guest Manny]

Are you alluding to security certificates? If so, some judges are aware of the legislation that enacted the use of security certificates. And at least twice, judges have ruled the security certificate law is constitutional. Would you not agree that since most people really, really trust judges more than politicians (especially the Conservative type) that they don't mind some secrecy for the sake of national security?

Yes. Canada built special holding cells in 2006 for perps of crimes of terror. It's called the Kingston Immigration Holding Centre (KIHC).

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=3067171&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=39&Ses=1

Not too shabby.

I sure hope so. I think he'd like it at the KIHC.

Don't think they'd allow visitors for the real bad boys though. That sounds more like a place for people who's immigration status is in dispute. They're not really criminals. I don't really know if Khadr is a criminal, there's been so much hype over him it's hard to say. It's a real complicated mess he's in, and puts us in it, questioning our judgement and sense of justice.

No matter what he'll never be allowed to roam freely like ordinary Canadians. He'll always be in danger, and probably need to be guarded when he's out in public.

[PIK]

Where would you deport him to, he was born in Toronto, is a Canadian citizen and did not make false application for citizenship? He gets the same rights as any Canadian citizen, which is due process under Canadian law, assuming he breaks a Canadian law..

Well if any of us went over there and did what he did , we would be in jail.CCIS says 60 "canadian men" went overseas for training, in the last year. So we better becareful what precedent we set here. I do not want this country to be a safe haven for terrorist in between battles.

[waldo]

CCIS says 60 "canadian men" went overseas for training, in the last year.

for accuracy/context... citation request