F-35 Purchase

[Wilber]

It was......the Doc was called Sailor and it covered everything (My father, ex-FAA, has a copy on VHS)…….Including the Bucc’s at a weapons range in the Caribbean…….IIRC Rod Stewart and/or Pink Floyd did the soundtrack. Not sure if they made a DVD version.

Looks like Amazon UK has a few copies on DVD.

Those were small ships to handle aircraft like that. There was a Gannet parked on the deck, Now there was one strange looking aircraft. I was deadheading from London to Prestwick back in the eighties and ended up sitting beside a British Caledonian first officer. Turns out he was a partner in a group that bought a surplus Gannet and it was parked at EGPK. I asked what possessed him to buy one of those things and the response was "that's what everyone says". Apparently they planned on using it in airshows. Don't know if they ever did.

[Guest Derek L]

yes, yes it is jingoistic chest thumping... Look, I appreciate you're taking a real hit when discussion actually centers on the F-35 overdue, over-budget and over-hype, but really, c'mon, I thought you agreed to keep the jingo chest thumping over in your dedicated 'fav aircraft' thread, hey!

Ahh, but you initiated the parallel discussion focusing on the Royal Navy/Cameron coalitions possible decision to revert back to the “B” and the “negative consequences” this will have on the overall JSF program. Clearly highlighting your lack of technical knowledge on the benefits and detractions of the two varying types of aircraft and how they will be used by the operator, to say nothing of the fact that we’re purchasing neither models.

[DogOnPorch]

Fairey has always made strange looking planes.

[DogOnPorch]

Ahh, but you initiated the parallel discussion focusing on the Royal Navy/Cameron coalitions possible decision to revert back to the “B” and the “negative consequences” this will have on the overall JSF program. Clearly highlighting your lack of technical knowledge on the benefits and detractions of the two varying types of aircraft and how they will be used by the operator, to say nothing of the fact that we’re purchasing neither models.

I think I've convinced him that pushing forward = down...perhaps not though. I'd let him solo first.

[waldo]

Care to highlight how the British order of F-35s going from the “B” version, to the “C” version then back to the “B” will effect the JSF program overall, and the Canadian purchase of the “A” version directly or indirectly?

did not realize the JSF could simply retool schedules, resources, budgets, etc. on a JSF partner “embarrassing” turn-around... equally, given the 'half the range and a third of the payload' thingee, you don't expect the Brits to seek design change/improvement. I mean, c'mon, all we hear from you MLW war-hawks is how the JSF program allows partners to influence the design. Hey?

[waldo]

Ask him.

no, sorry... I only see his nattering through re-quotes from others. He is, persona non grata to thinking MLW members.

[waldo]

I think I've convinced him that pushing forward = down...perhaps not though. I'd let him solo first.

do you... think?

[DogOnPorch]

no, sorry... I only see his nattering through re-quotes from others. He is, persona non grata to thinking MLW members.

So why are you boycotting him?

[Guest Derek L]

did not realize the JSF could simply retool schedules, resources, budgets, etc. on a JSF partner “embarrassing” turn-around... equally, given the 'half the range and a third of the payload' thingee, you don't expect the Brits to seek design change/improvement. I mean, c'mon, all we hear from you MLW war-hawks is how the JSF program allows partners to influence the design. Hey?

The only embarrassment is on the Cameron Government’s defence review, if they decide to revert back to the “B”……..The switch in procurement from the “B” to the “C” won’t effect our procurement for the “A” in anyway, shape or form.

[Guest Derek L]

Looks like Amazon UK has a few copies on DVD.

Those were small ships to handle aircraft like that. There was a Gannet parked on the deck, Now there was one strange looking aircraft. I was deadheading from London to Prestwick back in the eighties and ended up sitting beside a British Caledonian first officer. Turns out he was a partner in a group that bought a surplus Gannet and it was parked at EGPK. I asked what possessed him to buy one of those things and the response was "that's what everyone says". Apparently they planned on using it in airshows. Don't know if they ever did.

They sure were! ……the RN Phantoms had more powerful (Spey) engines and an telescopic extension placed on the front gear strut to increase angle of attack on take-off…….The British Fleets truly pushed the limits…….As for the Gannet, my old man flew the early ASW versions in the 50s…….He’s always reflected the difference in characteristics (And quite obvious different missions) between them (and Avengers) and the Sea Fury……And if the carriers hadn’t have gone in the 70s, that they likely would have still seen viable service into the 90s……..

[DogOnPorch]

I'm pretty sure "Sailor" is on YouTube.

[Guest Derek L]

I'm pretty sure "Sailor" is on YouTube.

That would be interesting, have a link? I might have to "knock off early"?

[DogOnPorch]

That would be interesting, have a link? I might have to "knock off early"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiEOU-Dj670

This is the first episode. Click on his channel link for eveything this fellow has uploaded.

http://www.youtube.com/user/DAVIDBOBER123

Edited April 23, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[Guest Derek L]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiEOU-Dj670

This is the first episode. Click on his channel link for eveything this fellow has uploaded.

http://www.youtube.com/user/DAVIDBOBER123

Had a good laugh at the young Jacktar’s coming aboard, Three Sheets to the wind, and bonking their heads……Just is good, was the look they shared of shear terror facing the XO’s review.

I put the remaining episodes up here:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=11632&pid=789320&st=525entry789320

Edited April 23, 2012 by Derek L

[GostHacked]

Just wanted to drop this for Doggy on the Porch.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/23/cadillac-expanding-xts-production-to-china/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-22/gm-sees-presidential-prestige-boosting-cadillac-in-china.html

From 2007

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/03/AR2007070302177.html

Yesterday, DaimlerChrysler said it finalized a deal with Chery and the Chinese government to export small cars made by Chery to United States and Western Europe. The deal, a broad framework for strategic cooperation, was signed today at a ceremony in Beijing. Chery cars will be sold under the Chrysler, Jeep or Dodge brand and are expected to go on sale in the next few years.

You are buying Chinese and you did not even know it.

[DogOnPorch]

Just wanted to drop this for Doggy on the Porch.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/23/cadillac-expanding-xts-production-to-china/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-22/gm-sees-presidential-prestige-boosting-cadillac-in-china.html

From 2007

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/03/AR2007070302177.html

You are buying Chinese and you did not even know it.

I own none of those...sorry. But, the issue is if Lockheed knows where its chips come from...isn't it? You have yet to produce information showing that Lockheed Martin has contracted their electronics out to a potential competitor. Because, that's what your point is about...isn't it? Cheap, faulty Chinese chips in new American aircraft loaded with viruses and Trojans. Or is it merely you trying to tell me my own shopping habits?

[GostHacked]

I own none of those...sorry. But, the issue is if Lockheed knows where its chips come from...isn't it? You have yet to produce information showing that Lockheed Martin has contracted their electronics out to a potential competitor. Because, that's what your point is about...isn't it? Cheap, faulty Chinese chips in new American aircraft loaded with viruses and Trojans. Or is it merely you trying to tell me my own shopping habits?

Keep that head in the sand!!!

[DogOnPorch]

Keep that head in the sand!!!

You still haven't posted the info re: Lockheed Martin farming out its electronics to the Red Chinese.

[GostHacked]

So even the GAO in the USA is now saying that the costs of the F-35 are going to go way over budget,

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/watchdog-pentagon-buys-weapons-backwards/

When problems are found, however, taxpayers are usually on the hook for not only the upgrades that need to be made to the systems still in development but for retrofits for those that were already thought to be finished products — at price tags that can run into the billions.

Does this put any more confidence into this process, and does it put confidence into how Canada went about purchasing the F-35. This is to my point of that huge money was spend even before the first test flight happened, and before Canada takes delivery of the plane. Let's say the project fizzles out and dies, the taxpayers are on the hook for this project if it goes forward or if it's cancelled.

By the GAO’s estimate, a single problem found in a new variant of the missile system that was in the middle of production caused the cost of testing its capability to quadruple, from $236 million to around $1 billion.

Concurrency is also a major factor in the most expensive weapon system purchase in history, the Pentagon’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. That program, which will provide three branches of the military nearly 2,500 of the world’s most advanced fifth-generation stealth fighters, is expected to cost over $1 trillion over the next half-century and the costs keep rising. The F-35 officially went into production in 2003, but the first ever test flight didn’t take off until three years later.

Frank Kendall, the Pentagon’s top weapons purchaser, said in February that the plan to buy the F-35 was so flawed it amounted to “acquisition malpractice.”

This does not put more confidence into the whole process of acquiring the F-35.

[eyeball]

This does not put more confidence into the whole process of acquiring the F-35.

So what, as long people are still confident in the process that determined why we need them in the first place it's full speed ahead and damn the diapers.

[GostHacked]

So what, as long people are still confident in the process that determined why we need them in the first place it's full speed ahead and damn the diapers.

Indeed this is the reality. More money spent on things that kill instead of things that heal. Obligatory *.* terrorist group wants to kill you. Or the Chinese.

[Army Guy]

Indeed this is the reality. More money spent on things that kill instead of things that heal. Obligatory *.* terrorist group wants to kill you. Or the Chinese.

What is it that you have again'st military expenditures....just over 1 % of our GDP gets soent on our miltary, and still that is to much...You've seen whats happening around the world , i think your a pretty smart guy to know that it would not take much for this crap to reach our shores...Yugoslavia once thought the same nothing can happen to us....the list is endless...but yet you remain convinced that we are superman, nothing could or would happen to us...

[eyeball]

What is it that you have again'st military expenditures....just over 1 % of our GDP gets soent on our miltary, and still that is to much...You've seen whats happening around the world , i think your a pretty smart guy to know that it would not take much for this crap to reach our shores...Yugoslavia once thought the same nothing can happen to us....the list is endless...but yet you remain convinced that we are superman, nothing could or would happen to us...

I'm against our military expenditures because virtually all of them are slated for missions, operations and wars outside of Canada. The worst of what's happening around the world is almost entirely the result of other countries conducting missions, operations and wars outside of their borders.

It's funny however that you should mention Yugoslavia because a civil war or revolution in Canada is actually something that seems a lot likelier than an invasion. All the same I don't think I want Ottawa using F-35's against Canadians anymore than I want Ottawa using them against other people.

[waldo]

blame it on..... an unknown bureaucrat!

Harper Conservatives "officially" backtrack on F-35 purchase

The federal government is officially back-tracking on the process of buying the F-35 stealth fighter

The Department of National Defence has issued a significant correction to the “Plans and Priorities” report it tabled in Parliament for MPs last year.

In an “erratum” note, it says the 2011-12 report wrongly described the F-35 purchase as being in “definition” project phase, which generally means an item has already received preliminary approval from Treasury Board, the gatekeeper for federal spending.

Instead the decision to buy a next-generation fighter is being reclassified as being in “option analysis” phase, which means Ottawa is still determining what it needs in terms of a plane.

In the note, National Defence blames an unknown bureaucrat for the snafu, saying someone made a “typographical error” in the 2011-12 “Report on Plans and Priorities.”

[punked]

blame it on..... an unknown bureaucrat!

Harper Conservatives "officially" backtrack on F-35 purchase

This is a bunch of BS.