punked Posted March 29, 2012 Report Posted March 29, 2012 That don't save for their retirement at all and don't qualify for CPP. What is happening is that those under 54 are paying for those over 54 to retire earlier then they do. That is what is happening and that isn't fair. Quote
punked Posted March 29, 2012 Report Posted March 29, 2012 I'm not sure what you're talking about. It saves people under 54 from facing a massive burden of shouldering the load for the boomer generation's retirement. WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR THE BOOMERS TO RETIRE EARLIER. We are paying for it by working longer then the boomers do. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 What's the word on Defense? http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2012/03/29/dnd-operational-spending-to-be-cut-by-327-million-this-year-according-to-federal-budget/ Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR THE BOOMERS TO RETIRE EARLIER. THIS ISN'T EVEN ABOUT THAT, BUT MORE ABOUT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING LONGER. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 THIS ISN'T EVEN ABOUT THAT, BUT MORE ABOUT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING LONGER. It also has the happy by-product of not harming the baby boomer generation,who coincidentally,are the largest voting demographic in this country... And those of us who aren't of that generation are going to pay for them...What we get out of that in the end is a fairly open question... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 THIS ISN'T EVEN ABOUT THAT, BUT MORE ABOUT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING LONGER. It is about much more then that. Just because Harper did it doesn't mean we don't get to have this debate. For now though the question remains why didn't they say anything 10 months ago? Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 For now though the question remains why didn't they say anything 10 months ago? I'm not sure why you're so hung up on that. Government's do that all the time, including the amazing NDP. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 It also has the happy by-product of not harming the baby boomer generation,who coincidentally,are the largest voting demographic in this country... It starts in 2023, so it will definitely have an impact on some of them. 2030 seems to be the year they're most worried about. By then, OAS costs will have risen from $38B to $108B Quote
punked Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 I'm not sure why you're so hung up on that. Government's do that all the time, including the amazing NDP. Do they? Most governments change OAS all the time? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 Not sure, but the CCG gets a much needed injection. Military, aid and diplomacy face deep cuts in Tory budget By 2014-15, more than $1.1-billion a year will be lopped off the regular Defence budget. But that’s not all. In addition, $3.5-billion in capital spending - the sums the military uses to buy equipment like planes, ships, trucks, tanks and weapons - will be put off until seven years from now, so that the government can save an average of $500-million a year. Still think we’ll be getting 15 surface combatants and 6-8 AOPS? Ottawa also didn’t really say how the cuts will be made. The budget said the Defence Department will streamline contracting procedures, and centralize property and human resources management - but hasn’t detailed cuts to its large civilian staff or operations, other than to say that the current number of uniformed members of the Canadian Forces will not be reduced. It did not identify which purchases of equipment will be delayed over the next seven years. Translation: streamline contracting procedures: Further sole sourcing, and a decline in civilian and military personal making a career on the project team of any given equipment replacement program. centralize property: Bases Closures!!!! Goodbye any one of or a combination of CFB Goose Bay, CFB Gander, CFB Borden, CFB Winnipeg, CFB North Bay, CFB Montreal and CFB Kingston. See which of the above bases don’t happen to be in a Conservative riding……… human resources management: Lay-offs to the Mandarins, both Civilian and Military, at NDHQ in Ottawa. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 Still think we’ll be getting 15 surface combatants and 6-8 AOPS? There's actually no talk of reducing the capital budget, only shifting some things until after 2015. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 I'm not sure why you're so hung up on that. Government's do that all the time, including the amazing NDP. HOW DEAR YOU COMPARE THE NDP TO ANY OTHER POLITICAL PARTY!!!! THE NDP ARE PERFECT AND NEVER LIE, PERFECT EXAMPLE! Quote
punked Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 HOW DEAR YOU COMPARE THE NDP TO ANY OTHER POLITICAL PARTY!!!! THE NDP ARE PERFECT AND NEVER LIE, PERFECT EXAMPLE! "Because governments have done it in the past we should never ask them to be better in the future!"-SmallC and Newfoundlander Yah you guys do sound like Conservatives now. Seriously that is your argument. That is how you justify bad governance? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 There's actually no talk of reducing the capital budget, only shifting some things until after 2015. “Shifting” till 2015? I wouldn’t hold your breath………..3.5 Billion, that’s either ~3 surface combatants (The 280s replacement) or the AOPS program, of which, is not a top priority of the Navy……….A boost to the CCG and “shifting” of funds from DND’s procurement budget………I think those slush breakers are stillborn (and rightfully so IMV) To add, that could also be FWSAR…….. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 "Because governments have done it in the past we should never ask them to be better in the future!"-SmallC and Newfoundlander Yah you guys do sound like Conservatives now. Seriously that is your argument. That is how you justify bad governance? I'm a Dipper! Quote
punked Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 Except that it isn't bad governance. Government not telling tax payers their plans is good governance. See here is where we disagree. I think a government should tell of the big details of their plans, and you think they should not tell of their plans. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) 3.5 Billion, That actually wasn't what the journalists though it was. That was a bit over each year, moved down, some of which had already been lost because DND couldn't spend it. They're actually not losing there. Also, CSES is being moved out of the DND envelope with it's own budget, and the budget was set to grow over this time anyway. Now, it probably won't grow, and may even shrink a small amount, but it isn't what it seemed. The G&M article you linked actually had very little right. Edited March 30, 2012 by Smallc Quote
TimG Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 Government not telling tax payers their plans is good governance. See here is where we disagree. I think a government should tell of the big details of their plans, and you think they should not tell of their plans.The conservatives ran on a plan of prudent management of government finances. Changing the OAS eligibility a reasonable action based on what they promised. In any case, this is really about you creating talking points to use to bash conservatives than any real concern on your part. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 Government not telling tax payers their plans is good governance. See here is where we disagree. I think a government should tell of the big details of their plans, and you think they should not tell of their plans. Well, again, the plan doesn't even start for 11 years, so it isn't as if there isn't time for people to digest it, consider it, and vote on it. Calm down. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 It will only get worse for the younger generation. We'll be paying for the boomers the rest of our lives only to have the services cut for ourselves. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
capricorn Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 Well, again, the plan doesn't even start for 11 years, so it isn't as if there isn't time for people to digest it, consider it, and vote on it. Calm down. Punked could have just said that the NDP will win the next election anyway and then they'll annul this devastating OAS plan. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Boges Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 Punked could have just said that the NDP will win the next election anyway and then they'll annul this devastating OAS plan. You and I know that this won't happen. He's obviously pissed that by 2015 the OAS issue will be as useless an attack took as In and Out. Quote
jacee Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 Well, again, the plan doesn't even start for 11 years, so it isn't as if there isn't time for people to digest it, consider it, and vote on it. Calm down. I agree smallc. I think the delay/phasein is reasonable. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted March 30, 2012 Report Posted March 30, 2012 That actually wasn't what the journalists though it was. That was a bit over each year, moved down, some of which had already been lost because DND couldn't spend it. They're actually not losing there. Also, CSES is being moved out of the DND envelope with it's own budget, and the budget was set to grow over this time anyway. Now, it probably won't grow, and may even shrink a small amount, but it isn't what it seemed. The G&M article you linked actually had very little right. I will gladly stand corrected if you provide your sources……… Quote
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