Federal Budget 2012

[Boges]

The Craziest thing about this is the Government has decided to keep OAS for the boomers and hit everyone else. OAS is only unsustainable for the boomers after they gone it is in great Shape. They are actually making the problem worse.

The fact that this is the only thing about this budget you guys can get worked up about means it's a pretty good budget.

[punked]

The fact that this is the only thing about this budget you guys can get worked up about means it's a pretty good budget.

There are 20,000 jobs cut across our country, a 10 cut to our national broadcaster, and much much more to get worked up about. The worst thing about this budget by far though is Harper never told us about this fundamental change to OAS when he ran not more then 10 months ago. Which is why we are worked up, there is plenty in this budget that is horrid so if that is what you got then you are dead wrong about how bad this budget is.

All so we can give money to Harper's buddies in the resource and finical sectors.

[madmax]

Did Romanow campaign on closing hospitals?

You have to be kidding right? Grant Devine Bankrupted the Province..

He Put Hospitals in everytown...of course they had to be closed.. the Province was Bankrupt and the public knew what was coming and choose the NDP. It wasn't a selection for fancy promises and more stuff... they just received that from the Conservatives.. they needed the Provinces Debt reigned in and the NDP did it as they had done before..

Not only did the NDP inherit debt from Grant Devine, the NDP also inherited back their own legacy of a province sleeping at the wheel. Between Blakeney and Romanow, the Tories were in power only long enough to run it deeper in the ground. Our economy, and the world economy, sucked at the time and let's face it, the Tories possessed little in the form of "know-how", focused-governing skills, or common intellect. That party was full of cowboys and characters, the likes of Ralph Katzman, Eric Berntson and my favorite Saskatchewan criminal, Colin Thatcher.

[cybercoma]

Yah is doing something you never told the Canadian people about when you ran for election good governance Shady? There is that transparency we heard so much about from people like Shady and Harper when the Liberals in Power. Talk out of both sides of your mouth much Shady?

I wonder how Shady would feel if Obama did something like lower the retirement age.

[Newfoundlander]

Give me a break Newfoundlander Dexter said he would Balance the budget and shift taxes if needed to do so when he was running, which is just what he did. Now he is cutting taxes, you forgot to mention Dexter is cutting taxes this year and will not raise user fees one cent. He could raised user fees, and done a bunch of other stuff to fill the holes left behind he didn't because he needed to man up and fix the situation which is just what he did. The same could be said of Romanow.

Harper just ran an election you are telling he didn't know what shape the books were in? Is your hate for the NDP so blind that you you refuse to educate yourself on what is actually happening so you need to distort record? What a Liberal.

Harper said he'd balance the budget as well, probably the reason why both him and Dexter are so unpopular.

[punked]

Harper said he'd balance the budget as well, probably the reason why both him and Dexter are so unpopular.

You think that raising the OAS age in 10 years is going to balance the budget this year? You must be a Liberal to believe that math.

Raising the HST like Dexter did can help balance a budget which is what they are going to see in NS next year. This isn't going to do anything in he next 10 years.

Edited March 29, 2012 by punked

[madmax]

The fact that this is the only thing about this budget you guys can get worked up about means it's a pretty good budget.

LMAO.. I don't trust this government specifically when it comes to their budget. I don't believe they have EVER hit a target.

A good Budget isn't the one you project and then miss the target.

Jury is out.

[Boges]

You think that raising the OAS age in 10 years is going to balance the budget this year? You must be a Liberal to believe that math.

You raged that raising OAS wasn't in the 2011 platform. This won't be phased in until 2023!

So if you're right that this is such a great insult to Canadians there'll be at least 2 Federal elections from now until people who are 54 right now have to suffer from it.

So I think you need to simmer down.

Oh and cutting the civil service and the CBC is something most probably think is a good thing.

Edited March 29, 2012 by Boges

[TimG]

The Craziest thing about this is the Government has decided to keep OAS for the boomers and hit everyone else.

Obviously there are limits to what is politically possible - that does not mean there is no need to get the retirement age inline with increases in life expectancy.

[punked]

You raged that raising OAS wasn't in the 2011 platform. This won't be phased in until 2023!

So if you're right that this is such a great insult to Canadians there'll be at least 2 Federal elections from now until people who are 54 right now have to suffer from it.

So I think you need to simmer down.

Oh and cutting the civil service and the CBC is something most probably think is a good thing.

No I don't need to simmer down, they can run on it whenever they want to. Call an election and ask Canadians. If what you say is true it does not need to be in this budget it can be in any budget the before 2013 AFTER the Cons run on it.

[cybercoma]

Oh and cutting the civil service and the CBC is something most probably think is a good thing.

Everybody loves layoffs and cutbacks, except when it's their own jobs on the line.

[punked]

Obviously there are limits to what is politically possible - that does not mean there is no need to get the retirement age inline with increases in life expectancy.

After the Boomers die off OAS costs are projected to come back in line to where they are now. They aren't addressing the real problem that exists which is there are more Boomers then the rest of us. He is down the costs of Boomers on all other generations.

[Newfoundlander]

You think that raising the OAS age in 10 years is going to balance the budget this year? You must be a Liberal to believe that math.

Raising the HST like Dexter did can help balance a budget which is what they are going to see in NS next year. This isn't going to do anything in he next 10 years.

Who cares about making sure our budget is in good shape for the future.

[Boges]

No I don't need to simmer down, they can run on it whenever they want to. Call an election and ask Canadians. If what you say is true it does not need to be in this budget it can be in any budget the before 2013 AFTER the Cons run on it.

It allows people to plan for it now.

If you're a poor 54-year-old now and you're just waiting until the government cheques start coming in you might have to wait 2 more years.

I think you're pissed that people won't give a crap about this in 2015 but might have cared about it last year.

[punked]

Who cares about making sure our budget is in good shape for the future.

Everyone so run an election on it. We just had one did you hear Harper say anything about this?

[Newfoundlander]

Everybody loves layoffs and cutbacks, except when it's their own jobs on the line.

Got that right. Though I've heard a lot of people in the federal government who are delighted.

[Newfoundlander]

Everyone so run an election on it. We just had one did you hear Harper say anything about this?

No just like Dexter didn't tell people they'd pay more for almost everything.

[Shady]

I guess if I was a 64 low income person I'd be PO'd a bit.

No need to worry. It's going to be phased in. Nothing changes for people that are close to retirement.

[Boges]

Everybody loves layoffs and cutbacks, except when it's their own jobs on the line.

Many of the jobs that are being eliminated are through attrition. I guess there is no detailing of what kind of jobs be eliminated.

As for the CBC, Fuck em! They're competing with the private sector for much of what they do.

[Shady]

Yes.. Its responsible to make our Seniors shoulder the burden a few more years.

What burden? Nothing changes for seniors. What are you talking about?

[punked]

No just like Dexter didn't tell people they'd pay more for almost everything.

Again that is a lie from a Liar. Many people in NS are paying less, you seem to forget the HST off of heat oil, and power. Again he told the people of NS he was going to shift the tax burden which is what he did. Deal with it already, you are clearly uneducated or you are a liar. Although he could have done what they did in NB, BTE NB will pass NS debt per capita for the first time ever next year. Welcome to conservative land where promises mean nothing and debt will kill you.

Edited March 29, 2012 by punked

[punked]

Many of the jobs that are being eliminated are through attrition. I guess there is no detailing of what kind of jobs be eliminated.

As for the CBC, Fuck em! They're competing with the private sector for much of what they do.

Actually only a minority of the cuts are coming through attrition. Look at the budget before you post about it please.

[Shady]

After the Boomers die off OAS costs are projected to come back in line to where they are now. They aren't addressing the real problem that exists which is there are more Boomers then the rest of us. He is down the costs of Boomers on all other generations.

Just think about how good the budget situation is, when boomers have passed through the system, AND the retirement age has been adjusted to properly reflect increasing life expectany.

[cybercoma]

It allows people to plan for it now.

If you're a poor 54-year-old now and you're just waiting until the government cheques start coming in you might have to wait 2 more years.

I think you're pissed that people won't give a crap about this in 2015 but might have cared about it last year.

With youth having over twice the unemployment and debt as older Canadians, how exactly do you suspect they are going to prepare? They can't get established, get settled, and begin preparing until much, much later in life. Home ownership is also falling off. The generation coming up won't even have that to fall back on. This is what happens when you attack the unions and they slowly pry away the pensions, the benefits, and the wages. When you consider total compensation for employment, that's all wages and benefits, people are making considerably less today. With higher unemployment, higher debt through students loans, less benefits (especially pensions), lower wages, and a substantial decrease in home ownership, there's going to be more people than ever in 30-40 years needing OAS because they have absolutely no ability to prepare.

[Shady]

Actually only a minority of the cuts are coming through attrition. Look at the budget before you post about it please.

Nope, he's right. They come mostly through attrition.