Federal Budget 2012

[punked]

Just think about how good the budget situation is, when boomers have passed through the system, AND the retirement age has been adjusted to properly reflect increasing life expectany.

This is all great spin Shady, so why didn't that super transparent government of Harper not RUN ON IT less then a year ago. They have had plenty of time to talk to and sell Canadians on it. They have NO MANDATE to do this.

[punked]

Nope, he's right. They come mostly through attrition.

Shady 7000 of the 20000 job cuts are coming through attrition more Conservative lies from Conservative Liars. AGAIN A MINORITY through attrition.

Edited March 29, 2012 by punked

[Newfoundlander]

Again that is a lie from a Liar. Many people in NS are paying less, you seem to forget the HST off of heat oil, and power. Again he told the people of NS he was going to shift the tax burden which is what he did. Deal with it already, you are clearly uneducated or you are a liar.

You're a blind partisan. You agree with the NDP breaking promises but it's wrong for any other party.

The OAS won't change for 10 years so the government will face the electorate twice before then. If people are that upset about it they will vote them out and a new government can revert it.

[Shady]

With youth having over twice the unemployment and debt as older Canadians, how exactly do you suspect they are going to prepare? They can't get established, get settled, and begin preparing until much, much later in life. Home ownership is also falling off. The generation coming up won't even have that to fall back on. This is what happens when you attack the unions and they slowly pry away the pensions, the benefits, and the wages. When you consider total compensation for employment, that's all wages and benefits, people are making considerably less today. With higher unemployment, higher debt through students loans, less benefits (especially pensions), lower wages, and a substantial decrease in home ownership, there's going to be more people than ever in 30-40 years needing OAS because they have absolutely no ability to prepare.

Complete nonsense. Home ownership isn't falling off. And you can't extrapolate the current recession type economy as the economy that's going to exist for the next 2 to 3 decades. That ridiculous. And it has nothing to do with attacking unions, whatever that means.

[Shady]

This is all great spin Shady, so why didn't that super transparent government of Harper not RUN ON IT less then a year ago. They have had plenty of time to talk to and sell Canadians on it. They have NO MANDATE to do this.

They have a majority government. That's their mandate. Not every issue that arises in the future comes up during the previous election cycle. Deal with it.

[Boges]

Shady 7000 of the 20000 job cuts are coming through attrition more Conservative lies from Conservative Liars. AGAIN A MINORITY through attrition.

I said many, not a majority.

[cybercoma]

Complete nonsense. Home ownership isn't falling off. And you can't extrapolate the current recession type economy as the economy that's going to exist for the next 2 to 3 decades. That ridiculous. And it has nothing to do with attacking unions, whatever that means.

Great response, Shady. It was certainly well-researched and articulate, convincing me that I might be way off base here. Keep bringing these valuable contributions to the forum.

[punked]

You're a blind partisan. You agree with the NDP breaking promises but it's wrong for any other party.

The OAS won't change for 10 years so the government will face the electorate twice before then. If people are that upset about it they will vote them out and a new government can revert it.

AGAIN the NDP ran a whole election in NS on balancing the budget. How is Balancing the budget breaking promises Newfoundlander, now they are providing a tax cut to the people of NS and giving them a balanced budget. Sorry you are uneducated on what is happening in NS but those are facts. Again they could have been NB and ran BILLION dollar deficits and gave Newfoundland (another Conservative government) a run for their money in Debt per Capita but they didn't. They decided to slow spending and raise revenue to fix a situation and caused by Liberals and Conservatives in the past.

Again the Conservatives when to Change OAS they need to run on it. The last thing we need is this set in stone and to have 4 minority in a row they can't reverse it even though the majority of Canadians may want that. It is the wrong to do things.

[punked]

They have a majority government. That's their mandate. Not every issue that arises in the future comes up during the previous election cycle. Deal with it.

There mandate is the platform they ran on Shady. Big issues need to be in platforms I am sorry you are dead wrong.

They ran 10 months ago so why wasn't it in the platform so they could say they had a mandate to do this?

[Boges]

So who's upset that public servants now have to foot the bill for 50% of their pension instead of 40%?

[Shady]

Great response, Shady. It was certainly well-researched and articulate, convincing me that I might be way off base here. Keep bringing these valuable contributions to the forum.

Thanks. As well researched as your post.

[Boges]

There mandate is the platform they ran on Shady. Big issues need to be in platforms I am sorry you are dead wrong.

They ran 10 months ago so why wasn't it in the platform so they could say they had a mandate to do this?

And in 2015 if people are pissed about this, they can unseat the government before any of this OAS stuff happens.

[Shady]

So who's upset that public servants now have to foot the bill for 50% of their pension instead of 40%?

Probably punked. They didn't mention that during the campaign.

[Newfoundlander]

AGAIN the NDP ran a whole election in NS on balancing the budget. How is Balancing the budget breaking promises Newfoundlander, now they are providing a tax cut to the people of NS and giving them a balanced budget. Sorry you are uneducated on what is happening in NS but those are facts. Again they could have been NB and ran BILLION dollar deficits and gave Newfoundland (another Conservative government) a run for their money in Debt per Capita but they didn't. They decided to slow spending and raise revenue to fix a situation and caused by Liberals and Conservatives in the past.

Again the Conservatives when to Change OAS they need to run on it. The last thing we need is this set in stone and to have 4 minority in a row they can't reverse it even though the majority of Canadians may want that. It is the wrong to do things.

The PC Party in Newfoundland and Labrador has cut the debt from by over $4 billion, but seeing you're so uneducated, a nice way to put it, I wouldn't expect you to have a clue about that. We also have popular premiers unlike in Nova Scotia where a majority want Dexter gone, not surprising seeing he's a liar.

[Shady]

There mandate is the platform they ran on Shady.

They ran partly on fiscal responsibility. And this is part of said responsibility. If people don't like it, they can vote them out in a couple of years, and put things back to the way they were. The raise in the OAS age is being phased in over many years. Stop pretending the sky is falling and the new age begins immediately.

[punked]

And in 2015 if people are pissed about this, they can unseat the government before any of this OAS stuff happens.

That isn't really the issue the issue is two fold. First Conservative Senate to keep changes it this by governments that get a mandate from passing through, remember when the Cons got their tough on crime mandate but could not push it through the Senate? Next what if a Majority of Canadians want this rolled back but we have a string of minority governments and it keeps getting killed before it can go through royal assent?

Again it isn't right to do this with out a mandate it has large consequences for now and future. You need a Mandate to make bug changes like this in the country. This isn't raising the HST by a point or cutting income tax by 2%. It just isn't.

[punked]

They ran partly on fiscal responsibility. And this is part of said responsibility. If people don't like it, they can vote them out in a couple of years, and put things back to the way they were. The raise in the OAS age is being phased in over many years. Stop pretending the sky is falling and the new age begins immediately.

Again you are acting like the country we live and its political set up makes it so you can change things over night. It took Harper 5 years to get his tough on crime stuff through and just that amount of time to push this stuff on us. This has consequences and a good government would have been transparent about this. That is what the Cons promised us not so long ago.

[Boges]

This isn't raising the HST by a point or cutting income tax by 2%. It just isn't.

Yeah this effects far fewer people.

I think in 10 years, considering 65 isn't as old as it used to be, people will be working far longer than 65.

Edited March 29, 2012 by Boges

[punked]

The PC Party in Newfoundland and Labrador has cut the debt from by over $4 billion, but seeing you're so uneducated, a nice way to put it, I wouldn't expect you to have a clue about that. We also have popular premiers unlike in Nova Scotia where a majority want Dexter gone, not surprising seeing he's a liar.

Yah the PC Party of Newfoundland has added plenty of debt to Newfoundland, lets not pretend they haven't. Are you telling me they ran huge surpluses 1975-1990? More hot air.

[Shady]

Yeah this effects far fewer people.

Exactly. And doesn't take effect for several years. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

[punked]

Yeah this effects far fewer people.

It effects everyone Boges when we look at it generationally.

[punked]

Exactly. And doesn't take effect for several years. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Keep it up maybe you can lost all the votes of everyone under 54 that has to pay for it.

[Boges]

Keep it up maybe you can lost all the votes of everyone under 54 that has to pay for it.

That don't save for their retirement at all and don't qualify for CPP.

Edited March 29, 2012 by Boges

[eyeball]

Anyone heard how many billions were allocated for crackin' down and gettin' tough?

No cost is too high so they say.

[Shady]

Keep it up maybe you can lost all the votes of everyone under 54 that has to pay for it.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. It saves people under 54 from facing a massive burden of shouldering the load for the boomer generation's retirement.