Metrication Canada; How is it working?

[bush_cheney2004]

Duplication Canada provides vinyl record pressing in the following sizes:

7 inches

12 inches

Note: They can accept 2-track analog reel-to-reel master tapes recorded at 15 or 30 inches per second

http://www.duplication.ca/vinyl.htm

[Bryan]

Vinyl pressing? Good god, how old are you?

[bush_cheney2004]

Standard paper sizes in Canada are pretend metric:

The Canadian standard CAN 2-9.60M "Paper Sizes for Correspondence" defines the six formats P1 (560 × 860 mm), P2 (430 × 560 mm), P3 (280 × 430 mm), P4 (215 × 280 mm), P5 (140 × 215 mm), and P6 (107 × 140 mm). These are just the U.S. sizes rounded to the nearest half centimeter (P4 ~ U.S. Letter, P3 ~ U.S. Ledger). This Canadian standard was introduced in 1976, even though the Ontario Government had already introduced the ISO A series formats before in 1972. Even though these Canadian paper sizes look somewhat like a pseudo-metric standard, they still suffer from the two major inconveniences of the U.S. formats, namely they have no common height/width ratio and they differ significantly from what the rest of the world uses.

http://amath.colorado.edu/documentation/iso-paper.html

Edited February 26, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

Vinyl pressing? Good god, how old are you?

Old enough to see Canadian kids buy them.

[bush_cheney2004]

The Lighting Reference Guide for Natural Resources Canada defines Bi-pin fluorescent light bulb dimensions in inches:

Bi–pin lamps (preheat, instant start, rapid start)

Identified by wattage, bulb diameter and colour.

Example: F40TI2/CW/ES

 	F 	: Fluorescent lamp
 	40 	: Wattage (34 W for ES types)
 	T 	: Tubular bulb shape
 	12 	: Maximum tube diameter – in eighths of an inch (12/8 = 1.5”)
 	CW 	: Cool white colour

Example: F32 T8/41K

 	F 	: Fluorescent lamp
 	32 	: Wattage (32 W)
 	T 	: Tubular bulb shape
 	8 	: Maximum tube diameter – in eighths of an inch (8 x 1/8 = 1”)
 	41K 	: 4,100 K, Cool white colour

Single–pin lamps (instant start)

Identified by length and colour rather than wattage because they can operate at more than one wattage.

Example: F96T12/WW

 	F 	: Fluorescent lamp
 	96 	: Lamp length in inches
 	T 	: Tubular bulb shape
 	12 	: Maximum tube diameter – in eighths of an inch
 	WW 	: Warm white colour

Lamp Lengths

Some typical lamp lengths are:

   F20 lamp – 24” ( 2' )
   F30 lamp – 36” ( 3' )
   F32 T8 lamp – 48” ( 4' ) – becoming the industry standard lamp
   F40 lamp – 48” ( 4' )
   F96 lamp – 96” ( 8' )

http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/equipment/lighting/13280

Edited February 26, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[Bryan]

Paxil or Zoloft?

[bush_cheney2004]

And now, the grand imperial units finale:

The official dimensions of an NHL ice hockey puck are as follows (according to rule 24 for the NHL) :

The puck shall be made of vulcanized rubber, or other approved material, one inch (1'') thick and three inches (3'') in diameter and shall weigh between five and one-half ounces (5½ oz.) and six ounces (6 oz.).

[WWWTT]

Tallest Canadian on record was 2.51 meters tall.

Yes I am sure there have bein a few here and there,but someone that is 2.2m is very rare.

I doubt olpfan1 knows anyone that tall,I don't thats for sure.Maybe the tallest person I know is 205cm or 2.05m.Myself I'm 171cm.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

..and you still don't know the flashpoint of paper?

How many comments do you make per day B_C?

Have you ever heard of the concept of quality vs quantity?

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

I know, but this is too much fun to stop!

Didn't Cretian make a similar quote during the hearing investigation for add-scam?

WWWTT

[-TSS-]

In England when the metrication was enforced some shopkeepers refused to follow the orders and became so called metric martyrs who were subsequently fined. There is a powerful anti-metric lobby in England which paid the fines for those stubborn people.

[cybercoma]

I've lived in Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto, Windsor, and Regina. Windsor is the ONLY Canadian place I've been in where people use Fahrenheit.

Edit: I actually enjoyed blowing people's minds by telling them how the crazy Windsorites liked to use Fahrenheit.

I grew up in Windsor. The reason we used Fahrenheit is that all of the over-the-air news networks and media were from Detroit. People in Windsor would catch the weather on those stations, so they still used Fahrenheit. Even the local Canadian stations would post both temperaturse in both Fahrenheit and Celsius. Anywhere else in the country you're only getting Celsius.

[-TSS-]

I guess if you live somewhere in southern US it is just a matter of what your used to whether you use F or C but the further north you go and especially in Canada F becomes very impractical because it can really get freezing. The temperatures between 0 F and 32 F really don't give you any idea of the temperature. It must really sound stupid to say that it is freezing outside, it must be 15 F.

[cybercoma]

Yeah, my experience is very similar to Bryan's.

All of that is true for the labels. But I still think people refer to things like ground beef in pounds, the weight of a turkey in pounds, or the weight of roasts in pounds. Bottles of liquor too are written in mL, but people tend to refer to the large bottles as 40s still. At least in my experience anyway. Also when restaurant menus publish the size of their shots or glasses, they usually do it in oz. For instance they'll tell you that their shots are 1.5oz or a pint glass is 20oz. But you guys are right about the products. They'll all labelled in metric.

[cybercoma]

Oh I beg to differ...

When I measure something millimetres,I can be far more accurate than a standard measuring tape that's based on 1/8th's of inches...

It's not necessarily more accurate. It's just easier for you to conceptualize.

[cybercoma]

OK...perhaps the old timers better understood my meaning.

The only reason anyone would know that in Fahrenheit is that Ray Bradbury wrote an incredibly popular book with it in the title. Otherwise, nobody would know or give a crap unless they were in the sciences. In that case, they would have been taught that it's roughly 233C.

[Guest American Woman]

I guess if you live somewhere in southern US it is just a matter of what your used to whether you use F or C but the further north you go and especially in Canada F becomes very impractical because it can really get freezing. The temperatures between 0 F and 32 F really don't give you any idea of the temperature. It must really sound stupid to say that it is freezing outside, it must be 15 F.

Gets really cold in the U.S. too - just like in Canada - and nope, it doesn't sound "stupid" at all. We know anything below 32F is below freezing, so if it's 15 degrees, we say it's 15 degrees - and we know exactly what it means. And if it's below zero, we say it's below zero. And we know what that means, too.

I find this thread interesting because of the "stupid" claims regarding the use of F/non-metric measurements in the U.S.; of course anything the rest of the world doesn't do is "stupid." Quite frankly I couldn't care less what y'all choose to do in your countries - and evidently, along with Canadians, there are more than a few British who also resist the metric system. Wonder if they blame the U.S. too?

[MiddleClassCentrist]

It's not necessarily more accurate. It's just easier for you to conceptualize.

Imperial is algorithmically flawed.

http://i49.tinypic.com/14v63rn.jpg

Most complex machinery/technology is made using metric. (CPU's and microchips are made on the nanometer level.)

Measurements are converted to imperial so that the end user can live in the days of old.

[cybercoma]

Imperial is algorithmically flawed.

http://i49.tinypic.com/14v63rn.jpg

Most complex machinery/technology is made using metric. (CPU's and microchips are made on the nanometer level.)

Measurements are converted to imperial so that the end user can live in the days of old.

I agree with your image. The conversions do seem arbitrary and ridiculous, but that doesn't make it any less accurate. That just makes it more difficult to conceptualize.

[olpfan1]

Gets really cold in the U.S. too - just like in Canada - and nope, it doesn't sound "stupid" at all. We know anything below 32F is below freezing, so if it's 15 degrees, we say it's 15 degrees - and we know exactly what it means. And if it's below zero, we say it's below zero. And we know what that means, too.

I find this thread interesting because of the "stupid" claims regarding the use of F/non-metric measurements in the U.S.; of course anything the rest of the world doesn't do is "stupid." Quite frankly I couldn't care less what y'all choose to do in your countries - and evidently, along with Canadians, there are more than a few British who also resist the metric system. Wonder if they blame the U.S. too?

Celsius is much better. And the cold parts of your country are thinly populated

so you're not like canada because at least down there you can move somewhere warmm

Edited February 26, 2012 by olpfan1

[WWWTT]

Imperial is algorithmically flawed.

This aswell is improper to say/imply.

When the Imperial system of weights and measures was developed the numeral/concept and use of zero was not yet developed.

Actually the Imperial system was pretty good for its time,say 400 years ago!

WWWTT

[-TSS-]

I don't think I'm mistaken in saying that even if there ever was a day that all of Canadians think in metric as long as their certain neighbour sticks to its old ways the majority of Canadians will still understand the other system as well.

Nothing bad there, it harms no-one to understand two systems instead of one even if you think in only one system.

[Guest American Woman]

I don't think I'm mistaken in saying that even if there ever was a day that all of Canadians think in metric as long as their certain neighbour sticks to its old ways the majority of Canadians will still understand the other system as well.

Nothing bad there, it harms no-one to understand two systems instead of one even if you think in only one system.

I'm not sure what your point is - do you think citizens of Canada's "certain neighbour" don't "understand" the metric system?

[eyeball]

How is it working?

It depends on what I'm doing, I often have things on the go all at once that involve meters, fathoms, pounds, knots. It works well enough I guess.

Where the metric vs imperial thing gets irksome is that the assemblage of contraptions also known as a boat is almost always fastened together with differently measured nuts and bolts requiring a mishmash of different sockets and wrenches - the myriad of screws and drivers is no better.

What the world really needs is a smart-driver that conforms to whatever you're trying to loosen or tighten. Maybe some sort of nano-tech thingy or a miniaturized tractor-beam/force-field doohickey. Something in a pocket-knife would be the proverbial cat's-ass.

[waldo]

Actually the Imperial system was pretty good for its time,say 400 years ago!

and while Canada's conversion continues, partially completed, 3 countries remain somewhat entrenched in... 400 years ago: United States, Myanmar & Liberia - oh, wait... this just in, Myanmar is switching!

CIA Factbook: At this time, only three countries - Burma, Liberia, and the US - have not adopted the International System of Units (SI, or metric system) as their official system of weights and measures.

The US is the only industrialized nation that does not mainly use the metric system in its commercial and standards activities, but there is increasing acceptance in science, medicine, government, and many sectors of industry