.

[GostHacked]

Is it fraud, GH? As more and more comes out, it appears less and less likely there was any real fraud.

We are just starting to get the facts. Supporting an investigation might clear the CPC as well.

Frankly, I think both you and MadMax are just so blinded by hate for Harper and the Tories that in your minds the evidence is solid gospel from Mt. Sinai of their guilt and you have already tried and convicted them!

Really Bill? I said it puts the legitimacy of the current government in question. That would be the CPC, put the blame where it belongs. If you tolerate this now, you are going to tolerate whatever crap happens in the future. Where do you draw the line?

I even said that we need to fire the whole lot of them (all MPs all parties) and start over.

You already believed what you believe. You just want to pin SOMETHING on the Tories because you want them OUT! If we have an inquiry and it finds there is nothing to the charges you would simply look on it as an opportunity for SOMETHING ELSE to be uncovered in the process, because in your minds the Tories HAVE to be guilty!

I have not said anywhere that they are guilty.

I'm really starting to think that many folks on the left are starting to lose it.

If we don't have fair and honest and open elections, then we all lose, no matter who you support.

[Smallc]

possibly - if Harper Conservatives share any/all information through the investigation. Are you in favour of a full public inquiry? If not, why not?

Not at this time. After EC and the RCMP are done with this, maybe. It all depends on what is found.

[waldo]

Just announced, they checked it out months ago. The report is there for everyone to see.

then you should have no problem supplying a citation, a link... and the contextual significance of the report and it's timing, vis-a-vis the recent raised profile of 'robocon & direct calling' fraud.

[waldo]

Not at this time. After EC and the RCMP are done with this, maybe. It all depends on what is found.

of course, presuming on the active investigation... oh, wait - PIK says the Elections Canada report is already in - months ago!

[Smallc]

of course, presuming on the active investigation... oh, wait - PIK says the Elections Canada report is already in - months ago!

[Shakeyhands]

In my riding I got far more recordings from the Liberal candidate than I did from the CPC one.

Did you? And how can you be sure it was an authorized call from the actual candidate? This whole things throws doubt in to it in my mind.

[Shakeyhands]

Anyway, this scandal hasn't really risen to any level, and with recent media coverage (this morning and last night), it seems to be fizzling out.

Vikileaks (you know, re-posting publicly available info) has fizzled with the resignation and apology. I don't see this one going away anytime soon.

[Smallc]

Vikileaks (you know, re-posting publicly available info) has fizzled with the resignation and apology.

Actually, no, that hasn't fizzled anymore than this has:

List of Articles

Edited February 29, 2012 by Smallc

[BubberMiley]

The advantage to the Liberals with Vikileaks is that everybody but conservatives thought it was fair payback and funny.

[Smallc]

Everyone? I couldn't care less, but I'm sure that you don't speak for everyone.

[Boges]

The advantage to the Liberals with Vikileaks is that everybody but conservatives thought it was fair payback and funny.

Well if John Q Conservative hater did it I would agree. But for a Liberal staffer to do it isn't really called for.

I remember the Liberals got all excited in their pants over a flash ad that had a Puffin pooping on Stephan Dion. Now that's a prank, this is far more mean-spirited.

As for the RoboCalls thing, I don't think anyone has defended the Pierre Poutine guy even the most ardent Conservative supporter says Election fraud is wrong.

But, without any evidence, people are theorizing that this incident is far more reaching. I would strongly push back against that without more details.

Even the Star doesn't provide specific, they just guess that this can't be isolated to Guelph.

Well if you don't have evidence to the contrary then STFU.

[olpfan1]

IMO This will turn out to be a problem in Guelph, and that the usual prank calls that happens every election. Still more has to be done about what did happen, but I think the media may owe everybody a apology.

Actually the phone number Pierre used was also used to deceive people in a Windsor Ontario riding

So there is 2 riding's connected to Pierre

[Shakeyhands]

Well if you don't have evidence to the contrary then STFU.

You've lost me here. If we don't have evidence right at this moment that it impacted the election, we should STFU?

[Boges]

Actually the phone number Pierre used was also used to deceive people in a Windsor Ontario riding

So there is 2 riding's connected to Pierre

Again, not a riding the Conservatives won.

But I'm curious where you found this new information.

[olpfan1]

In the matter of public opinion it isn't going to matter whether the CPC did this or not

The public already has made their mind up and this is the last straw

I mean, it isn't such a stretch to believe they could be involved in this is it?

Harper and his people wrote a manual on how to stall committee meetings

They orchestrated the In & Out money sceheme to overspend during elections

and were guilty but wouldn't admit so until 4 years later and even then they

didn't believe they did anything wrong..

They purposely and self admittedly called Irwin Cotlers riding and told his constituents he was retiring

and then they put in an unlected person in his place and they didn't even apologize for it

they were smiling and patting themselves on the back

I could go on you know but it seems to me like the CPC are now paying for their sins whether or not they are guilty

they are deserving of whatever they are going to get from this

[olpfan1]

Again, not a riding the Conservatives won.

But I'm curious where you found this new information.

It's not new information to people who are all up on it,

http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Meet+robocalls+scandal+prime+suspect+Pierre+Poutine/6222857/story.html

There were also several complaints from New Democrats in Windsor-Tecumseh, Ont., including a call to the home of MP Joe Comartin, directing them that their polling station had moved. New Democrat volunteer Andrew McAvoy received a live call directing him to an address where there was no polling station.

Those calls came from the same number listed as the Poutine phone.

[g_bambino]

The public already has made their mind up and this is the last straw

Ummmmm... Forgive me, but when did you become the spokesperson for the public?

[Smallc]

Ummmmm... Forgive me, but when did you become the spokesperson for the public?

I was wondering the same thing.

[olpfan1]

Ummmmm... Forgive me, but when did you become the spokesperson for the public?

People I know who were never interested in politics or even voted in elections are now furious with The CPC

I have a feeling they aren't the only ones ..way to piss off the apathetic Canadian citizens

[UofGPolitico]

People I know who were never interested in politics or even voted in elections are now furious with The CPC

I have a feeling they aren't the only ones ..way to piss off the apathetic Canadian citizens

A "feeling" does not represent a scientific, representative poll. There is an problem here, no one is disputing that, but there is nothing but opposition and media propaganda to suggest this scandal will bring down a government 3 and a half years into the future and that the results of the election were in any way affected. As the investigation goes on there very well could be information that does suggest those two things I just mentioned, but we are no where near that.

As usual I think the opposition has made a mountain out of a molehole. There appears to have been very dirty tricks happening in Guelph. Those responsible will hopefully be caught and punished and also maybe some amendments to the Election Act can occur to heavily discourage this type of behavior from happening again.

Edited February 29, 2012 by UofGPolitico

[Newfoundlander]

No, we're not going to write this off as "stupidity" he alleged there was polling station changes in Edmonton East

but according to Elections Canada there was NO polling station changes in that riding

I don't care who the hell you are he got caught in a lie that much is obvious otherwise you're saying the Prime Ministers Secretary is terrible at his job and should be fired.

Which is it? Is he a liar or should he be fired for being incompetent?

He said he was not aware of a riding named Edmonton Centre, but that it was possible that there could have been changes in that riding because there were so many changes. I don't see how he lied he just didn't know his facts.

[olpfan1]

He said he was not aware of a riding named Edmonton Centre, but that it was possible that there could have been changes in that riding because there were so many changes. I don't see how he lied he just didn't know his facts.

The PM just corrected him on QP a few minutes a go...

[huh]

People I know who were never interested in politics or even voted in elections are now furious with The CPC

I have a feeling they aren't the only ones ..way to piss off the apathetic Canadian citizens

You are right, there are a number of Canadians who are stupid enough to buy into this scandal before any actual evidence is provided. You are unfortunately right.

[olpfan1]

You are right, there are a number of Canadians who are stupid enough to buy into this scandal before any actual evidence is provided. You are unfortunately right.

Its because of the Conservatives reputation, its well earned

[Shady]

Its because of the Conservatives reputation, its well earned

Let me know when there's actual evidence to back up these partisan accusations.