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waldo · February 29, 2012

Another thing that occurred to me is the opposition might be doing this, not because they think the CPC is going to take long term heat for it, but to compel them to release information about the inner workings of their campaigns. If it gets released, they'd finally have some insight as to how the CPC has been able to eat their lunch for 5 consecutive elections. They also know that the CPC is not going to release that info willingly, even if they are completely clean. Too much strategic info that there's no chance in hell they'll let anyone from the NDP or LPC see. Then, the opposition can just scream "cover-up" instead.

:lol: desperate times for Harper Conservative lappers, hey?

Shakeyhands · February 29, 2012

Another thing that occurred to me is the opposition might be doing this, not because they think the CPC is going to take long term heat for it, but to compel them to release information about the inner workings of their campaigns. If it gets released, they'd finally have some insight as to how the CPC has been able to eat their lunch for 5 consecutive elections. They also know that the CPC is not going to release that info willingly, even if they are completely clean. Too much strategic info that there's no chance in hell they'll let anyone from the NDP or LPC see. Then, the opposition can just scream "cover-up" instead.

THIS. Therefore there should be a complete and full inquiry. The CPC clearly has nothing to be worried about, let's see Harper do the right thing and not just shrug it off.

BubberMiley · February 29, 2012

Another thing that occurred to me is the opposition might be doing this, not because they think the CPC is going to take long term heat for it, but to compel them to release information about the inner workings of their campaigns.

One thing about CPCers that has been proven in the last few weeks: they'll blame the NDP for anything. :lol:

mentalfloss · February 29, 2012

One thing about CPCers that has been proven in the last few weeks: they'll blame the NDP for anything.

Surely, the CPC brought forward evidence when they made such conspiracy allegations? :lol:

cybercoma · February 29, 2012

Dean Del Mastro says the same thing about the Conservatives. So who could be to blame, the Liberals, NDP or some other party/group all together?

Well, they say they know nothing so that must be the truth. Just like Chretien and Martin knew absolutely nothing about the sponsorship scandal. :rolleyes:

Smallc · February 29, 2012

Well, in truth, there were no reason for Martin or even Chretien to know what was going on with the sponsorship scandal. The finance minister doesn't look after small programs by himself, especially not ones administered by the PMO. Similarly, the PMO is a big place, so there was no reason for Chretien to know. Chretien, after all, was found innocent, and Martin was found to have no knowledge.

The point is, we can't know, and we can't know in this case until the RCMP and Elections Canada finish their investigations. We still might not know. If we don't, we can't hang people.

cybercoma · February 29, 2012

With the clown-show of contempt that was Chretien's testimony and his subsequent golfball ridiculousness, you know he knew exactly what was going on and saying "f___ you! I'm above the law."

Shakeyhands · February 29, 2012

It would appear the majority of NDP supporters do not share Jack Layton's love, hope and optimism for others.

I'm not a Dipper but I'm optimistic that the CPC will be greatly affected (in a negative way) by these calls and their (and their supporters)utter disdain for democracy. Also, I'd love to see this rock the party as a whole and I hope it does.

Love, Hope and Optimism for others, there you go.

Shakeyhands · February 29, 2012

With the clown-show of contempt that was Chretien's testimony and his subsequent golfball ridiculousness, you know he knew exactly what was going on and saying "f___ you! I'm above the law."

His flippant response to what were quite clearly "small town cheap" partisan attacks?

Smallc · February 29, 2012

With the clown-show of contempt that was Chretien's testimony and his subsequent golfball ridiculousness, you know he knew exactly what was going on and saying "f___ you! I'm above the law."

Gomrey thought so too, but then, it was shown that his opinion was baseless. We cannot imagine things, just because we'd like them to be. If it isn't provable, it isn't provable. The same thing will apply here, and I'll reserve any judgement on this matter until we actually know something.

Edited February 29, 2012 by Smallc

Topaz · February 29, 2012

First of all, does anyone know who the campaign manager for the Tories was/is? in 2010? Secondly, the law that Vic wants to bring in on the net, perhaps the RCMP could use it as to see how effective it is in catching the bad guys. IF it doesn't work, them maybe the Bill should be forgotten about. Though calls from the two states of Montana and N. Dakota, had to be done by some from the West, probably from Alberta, maybe check to see what Canadians cross the border with connection to the party. lastly, it was funny how Pierre ? stood up and made fun of the illegal action. He didn't answer the question, instead he become voice mail, saying chose 1 for? chose 2 for ? and so on. They are so security that no one and nothing will bring them down and they can do whatever this conservative/reform/alliance/ party CRAP wants to do!

GostHacked · February 29, 2012

The one thing we all agree on is something is not right here. The last election could have false results and the legitimacy of the current majority government is in question. I am sure many of you can put the partisan crap down for a moment and LOOK at what is happening here. Regardless of who it was, this issue need to be investigated and resolved for future elections.

Does anyone really understand the magnitude of this situation?

Wild Bill · February 29, 2012

The one thing we all agree on is something is not right here. The last election could have false results and the legitimacy of the current majority government is in question. I am sure many of you can put the partisan crap down for a moment and LOOK at what is happening here. Regardless of who it was, this issue need to be investigated and resolved for future elections.

Does anyone really understand the magnitude of this situation?

GH, inquiries such as you suggest cost money. Do we investigate EVERYTHING?

If you suspect there's a $10 error with your VISA account, do you think $10million dollars should be spent to investigate it, just to be sure?

We have to have some sense of perspective! This is the sort of "zero tolerance" thinking that gets a Dad strip searched over a picture of a gun drawn by his four year old!

Smallc · February 29, 2012

The last election could have false results

Actually, as new information comes forward, that seems to be less and less likely.

madmax · February 29, 2012

GH, inquiries such as you suggest cost money. Do we investigate EVERYTHING?

We have to have some sense of perspective!

I think the Canadian People have perspective on this..

This is bad, VERY VERY BAD

I believe this is going to make Adscam (remember that) look like a walk in the park.

madmax · February 29, 2012

I think the title needs to be changed now lol.

to FIRMS with Tory Links..

Boges · February 29, 2012

I guess we should have a bi-election in Guelph.

Afterall, that was the only riding in the western 905 that went Liberal.

cybercoma · February 29, 2012

Gomrey thought so too, but then, it was shown that his opinion was baseless. We cannot imagine things, just because we'd like them to be. If it isn't provable, it isn't provable. The same thing will apply here, and I'll reserve any judgement on this matter until we actually know something.

The court of public opinion exists in the imagination. You may play the game that a proof is a proof and if there's proof then it's proven. However, it's pretty clear that at least inductively from the evidence, he knew what was going on. It wasn't enough to convict him in court, but it was certainly enough to hand the reigns over the Right.

cybercoma · February 29, 2012

GH, inquiries such as you suggest cost money. Do we investigate EVERYTHING?

What a terrible argument. Everything costs money. If you don't investigate electoral fraud, what do you investigate? Frankly, I want this investigated even in the ridings where the Conservatives had a secure position. For the legitimacy of our democratic institutions, it is absolutely necessary to get to the bottom of this. If the NDP was responsible, I want to see them pay just as much as I would want to see the CPC or LPC pay.

cybercoma · February 29, 2012

Can we get something straight here forward

It is not bi-election, its by-election or less commonly bye-election.

GostHacked · February 29, 2012

GH, inquiries such as you suggest cost money. Do we investigate EVERYTHING?

This is worth it because it puts our who electoral process in question. The legitimacy of the current government is in question. The legitimacy of future governments and elections are also in question.

If you suspect there's a $10 error with your VISA account, do you think $10million dollars should be spent to investigate it, just to be sure?

It's not an error. This is fraud.

We have to have some sense of perspective! This is the sort of "zero tolerance" thinking that gets a Dad strip searched over a picture of a gun drawn by his four year old!

The perspective is that some people have won seats or ridings based on miscounted votes. Ever wonder why 40% of the tallied votes got the CPC in as a majority? Something is not right here Bill, and this affects all 35 million of us Canadians.

CPCFTW · February 29, 2012

What a terrible argument. Everything costs money. If you don't investigate electoral fraud, what do you investigate? Frankly, I want this investigated even in the ridings where the Conservatives had a secure position. For the legitimacy of our democratic institutions, it is absolutely necessary to get to the bottom of this. If the NDP was responsible, I want to see them pay just as much as I would want to see the CPC or LPC pay.

And yet you only insist that investigations be undertaken in conservative ridings. I guess only the winner can be a cheat?

Shakeyhands · February 29, 2012

I guess we should have a bi-election in Guelph.

Afterall, that was the only riding in the western 905 that went Liberal.

Funny, but you do realize that it doesn't matter which party is or may be involved, that should be investigated out the wazoo?

Smallc · February 29, 2012

It wasn't enough to convict him in court, but it was certainly enough to hand the reigns over the Right.

Maybe so, but that doesn't prove anything. Anyway, this scandal hasn't really risen to any level, and with recent media coverage (this morning and last night), it seems to be fizzling out.

CPCFTW · February 29, 2012

The perspective is that some people have won seats or ridings based on miscounted votes. Ever wonder why 40% of the tallied votes got the CPC in as a majority? Something is not right here Bill, and this affects all 35 million of us Canadians.

No.. That's our electoral system. What are you, 12? This must be your first election. What nonsense.

Edited February 29, 2012 by CPCFTW