Trudeau loses it in QP

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Allowing an opposition MP to come to an international event representing the government would be like President Obama allowing, say Senator Harry Reid, to represent the United States at an international event.

Has that ever happened?

I wonder if Stockwell Day or Preston Manning were invited to the Kyoto by Chretien.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Aside from that I doubt the Leader of the Green Party represented the Government of Canada in anyway shape or form.

[Boges]

Oboy.

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Green Party leader Elizabeth May has been registered as an official delegate at the United Nations climate change summit… by Papua New Guinea.

Good for Papua New Guinea. Perhaps Toga could have allowed the MP in question to come with their delegation.

[cybercoma]

Of course because expecting an MP to make the trip to Durban on their own dime is POS behaviour.

Again who cares, they're just curse words.

The opposition was banned from going. Had they gone, they probably would have chided them for that, just like the opposition going to the US on the pipeline issue. It's a lose-lose situation. The CPC is the most dishonest government we have ever had in this country.

[Tilter]

Depends on the context, I suppose. In this case, in light of Kent's comments and the background there, then yeah, he's a piece of shit.

I agree, trudeaux is a piece of shit

[Boges]

The opposition was banned from going. Had they gone, they probably would have chided them for that, just like the opposition going to the US on the pipeline issue. It's a lose-lose situation. The CPC is the most dishonest government we have ever had in this country.

Really? did they "chide" Liz May for going with another nation's delegation.

[Boges]

As a side note. Why is J Trudeau going with Guy Fawkes look?

I think he's planning on blowing up Parliament Hill.

[cybercoma]

Really? did they "chide" Liz May for going with another nation's delegation.

Why wasn't she allowed to be part of the Canadian delegation? How come the government can afford to bring private business, but not their own Members of Parliament? You argue that MPs should not be paid by the government to do government business, yet you completely support the fact that business people were paid by the government to go. I don't see accountability and smaller government in doling out more money to private business to be part of the delegation, while criticizing MPs and saying they should pay their own way. The business "leaders" that went should have paid their own way and the government should have paid for its own people. You're a hypocrite to your values. You crap on the welfare state, but then support the government paying welfare to businesses.

[Boges]

Why wasn't she allowed to be part of the Canadian delegation? How come the government can afford to bring private business, but not their own Members of Parliament? You argue that MPs should not be paid by the government to do government business, yet you completely support the fact that business people were paid by the government to go. I don't see accountability and smaller government in doling out more money to private business to be part of the delegation, while criticizing MPs and saying they should pay their own way. The business "leaders" that went should have paid their own way and the government should have paid for its own people. You're a hypocrite to your values. You crap on the welfare state, but then support the government paying welfare to businesses.

Which "members of business" were allowed and what was their purpose?

Allowing an opposition MP who is dead-set against the the CPC is planning on doing in Durban wouldn't look terribly good.

Again I ask you, were Alliance or PC MPs allowed by Jean Chretien to attend a Kyoto conference?

[Black Dog]

I agree, trudeaux is a piece of shit

Who?

[cybercoma]

Which "members of business" were allowed and what was their purpose?

Completely irrelevant. I'm not saying they shouldn't have been there.

Allowing an opposition MP who is dead-set against the the CPC is planning on doing in Durban wouldn't look terribly good.

Then don't criticize the opposition for not being there.

Again I ask you, were Alliance or PC MPs allowed by Jean Chretien to attend a Kyoto conference?

I don't know and its irrelevant as well. Had Chretien disallowed the opposition, he certainly didn't criticize them in the House, on record for not being there after being the one that forbade it.

[Cameron]

Justin Trudeau shouldn't have said that, and Peter Kent should have said nothing about Leslie not being at the conference. Both are in the wrong. If anyone in opposition had any sense, they would have set up Kent with a question on why the government didn't allow OP MP's to attend.

[Boges]

I don't know and its irrelevant as well. Had Chretien disallowed the opposition, he certainly didn't criticize them in the House, on record for not being there after being the one that forbade it.

If they really wanted to, they COULD have been there.

Sure he probably didn't need to taunt her.

But you're acting like no one taunts anyone during Question Period.

[sharkman]

When politicians become unprofessional and stoop to cursing, it is generally considered inappropriate, no matter what poster's swearing preferences are. Like I said earlier, it looks like the Tories are getting under the skin of some of the minority members.

[cybercoma]

If they really wanted to, they COULD have been there.

Sure he probably didn't need to taunt her.

But you're acting like no one taunts anyone during Question Period.

No. I'm acting like he's a POS for criticizing her for not being there, when it was his decision not to allow her to be there. Furthermore, he's a POS for not correcting the record and admitting as much. While all the other MPs in the House went on to apologize for their poor behaviour, neither Kent nor Van Loan apologized for theirs. This government lacks accountability for their actions. This is just more proof.

[Shakeyhands]

Typicial response.

Had a Conservative dropped a POS blast on any member of the opposition there'd be calls for that members resignation I guarantee.

Dunno... here's a bunch, you'll notice there are many Reform/Tory examples.

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Of course it must all be lies coming from The RED STAR!!!!

[CPCFTW]

Dunno... here's a bunch, you'll notice there are many Reform/Tory examples.

Previous Cases

Of course it must all be lies coming from The RED STAR!!!!

"Sleazebag" and "you already have her" are the best examples the red star could dig up in the last decade and a half? Wow Trudeau really did go too far! Thanks for posting!

[Boges]

"Sleazebag" and "you already have her" are the best examples the red star could dig up in the last decade and a half? Wow Trudeau really did go too far! Thanks for posting!

No one like Sheila Copps.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

"Sleazebag" and "you already have her" are the best examples the red star could dig up in the last decade and a half? Wow Trudeau really did go too far! Thanks for posting!

Did you actually read the list?

“Slut”

1991: Tory MP Bill Kempling, to Liberal MP Sheila Copps. Kempling claims that he said, “What a pain in the butt.”

“Chubby little sucker”

1997: Reform MP Darrel Stinson calls Progressive Conservative Leader Jean Charest a “fat little, chubby, little sucker” in the Commons, while the Canada Pension Plan is being debated.

“You are one bitch”

1997: Reform MP Ian McClelland, to Sheila Copps

“F-----g bastard.”

1991: A visibly angry Prime Minister Brian Mulroney allegedly calls Winnipeg Liberal MP David Walker a “f-----g bastard” during an attack by Walker on the government’s child-poverty record. Opposition MPs and a Canadian Press photographer in the Commons say they clearly heard Mulroney utter the phrase but the comment didn’t turn up in Hansard, nor was it audible on the sound recording.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Why is it expected that an Opposition MP should go to Durban on the Fed's dime?

They aren't part of the government.

Wow.

I'm sorry but, they are a elected representatives of Canadians.

Do you honestly think that the CPC are the only legitimate members of government in Canada?

That's sick and twisted.

[Cameron]

Wow.

I'm sorry but, they are a elected representatives of Canadians.

Do you honestly think that the CPC are the only legitimate members of government in Canada?

That's sick and twisted.

What's the precedent of past governments accrediting opposition members to attend functions such as this?

[segnosaur]

I'm sorry but, they are a elected representatives of Canadians.

Do you honestly think that the CPC are the only legitimate members of government in Canada?

That's sick and twisted.

Actually, while the opposition members are "elected representatives", they might not necessarily be considered "members of the government" (depending on the definition that is used).

In the Westminster system, government can mean the collective institutions, or it can also refer to the privy council or the Ministers of the Crown (something that your average MP will not be a member to.) This council holds executive power within Canada, and can be referred to as "the government". (And the main opposition party is sometimes referred to as the "government in waiting".)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_the_Crown

A few weeks ago I went on a tour of something called "The Deifenbunker". This was a fallout shelter built during the cold war to house "the government" in the event of a nuclear attack. They had offices for the PM, ministers, the Gov. Gen., etc. The one thing that they did not have was space for any of the opposition members. (They weren't considered "government", so they would be placed in a second fallout shelter several miles away.)

[cybercoma]

Your rebuttal is moot. Members of the business community were part of the delegation that went. Their place there was bought and paid for by the taxpayers, while duly elected representatives of the taxpayers were barred from being part of the Canadian delegation.

[Jack Weber]

Good for Papua New Guinea. Perhaps Toga could have allowed the MP in question to come with their delegation.

For geographical clarification purposes...

Toga...A form of appearal...

Togo...A very small African country beside other small African countries like Benin...

[segnosaur]

Your rebuttal is moot.

Who's rebuttal? Mine?

I wasn't rebutting the main point (at least in my previous post). I was just pointing out that calling only members of the ruling party in Canada "the government" is actually accurate, depending on the definition used.

Members of the business community were part of the delegation that went. Their place there was bought and paid for by the taxpayers, while duly elected representatives of the taxpayers were barred from being part of the Canadian delegation.

It is the duty of the executive branch to represent Canada at such international conferences to the best of their abilities, and in accordance with the government's plans. As such, a member of the "business community" might be a more representative in that regard.

Another poster questioned whether Chretien had conservative MPs around during the negotiation for Kyoto. Nobody has yet answered that question. Admittedly I am unfamiliar regarding protocols surrounding these events. Before I (or anyone else) condemns the conservatives for "excluding opposition MPs from the delegation", we really should look at what's happened during Kyoto (as well as other international negotiations). If this is the first time ever that opposition MPs were not allowed, then yes you have a point: the conservatives messed up. But if its common practice not to bring along MPs that will contradict the will of the governing party, then I can't really condemn the conservatives.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Your rebuttal is moot. Members of the business community were part of the delegation that went. Their place there was bought and paid for by the taxpayers, while duly elected representatives of the taxpayers were barred from being part of the Canadian delegation.

I'd be interested in how those business parterns were chosen.

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