g_bambino Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 depending what mackay said in the hoc, isn't lying a contempt of parliament issue? Only if a motion calling for the minister to be held in contempt is put to the House of Commons. Quote
The_Squid Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Minister Mackay used a SAR 'copter for his own personal use. He stole from taxpayers. He does not deserve to be an MP, let alone a Minister. If an employee used a piece of equipment worth millions of dollars and costs tens of thousands of dollars for each hour of running time for their own personal use, this employee would be fired immediately. Military officials noted in an e-mail that the helicopter was not necessary because the Gander Airport was just two hours by boat and car from the fishing camp. Edited December 2, 2011 by The_Squid Quote
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Posted December 2, 2011 Oh yeah! It's a crime against the Universe! Hell, we should bring back capital punishment just for McKay! After all, he's a Tory, isn't he? This is just more blatant partisan crap! Military planes and pilots NEED a certain number of hours in the air! You don't just park them on the ground and only bring them out if there's a war. Skills must be kept up and aircraft maintained. So if the flippin' DEFENCE MINISTER wants to use a military craft for ANY reason why shouldn't one be available? As for lying, there's a very simple reason. The "anti-everything just because its Tory" contingent is just so loud and annoying that its easier just to lie and hope they don't wake up and start mouthing off! They're like Jack Russell terriers! Yappy little bastards that will bite you quick as look at you and NEVER shut the frig up! You know, I bet when McKay arrives at any military base he has to check in at some reception desk. By introducing himself and asking where he can see the base commander he would be taking up some soldier's time away from his military duties! This time should be totalled and deducted from McKay's salary as an MP! There! I've given you another idea for a new thread! Its just as good as most of your others! Man, where were you when Chretien was in power? If you are as fair as you seem to claim you would have had a field day tearing ol' Jean apart! In a previous post I noted I wouldn't have been too outraged if MacKay told the truth about him needing a ride to Ontario...I'm outraged at the lengths he went to cover up his little lie and how many people he included in his deceit of the Canadian tax payers But I am not surprised that you are not concerned after all if MacKay goes down so will most of your other MPs sooner or later I hope you enjoy this government now because after 4 years they will have as many seats as the liberals have right now Quote
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) The excuse all politicians lie doesn't cut it when you actually get caught lying and yet he still is sticking with the story LOL! Edited December 2, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
g_bambino Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 The excuse all politicians lie... Excuse? Quote
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Posted December 2, 2011 Excuse? Look buddy, the CONSERVATIVES are the current sitting government...bringing up past corrupted governments does not mean a thing for tax paying Canadians RIGHT NOW Quote
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Posted December 2, 2011 And here we have PM Harper backing up MacKay's story So the Conservatives are basically saying the military made all of that up Quote
Boges Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Perhaps McKay should have gone on TV wagging his finger saying. "I DID NOT HAVE SEXU. . . ERRR I DIDN'T REQUEST THAT HELICOPTER PICK ME UP WHEN I COULD HAVE EASILY TAKEN A BOAT" Then people would think he's great. Edited December 2, 2011 by Boges Quote
g_bambino Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 Look buddy, the CONSERVATIVES are the current sitting government...bringing up past corrupted governments does not mean a thing for tax paying Canadians RIGHT NOW What? You suggested the fact that all politicians lie was being used as an excuse for this supposed (and even if it is, pretty small) lie. Who said such a thing? Quote
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) What? You suggested the fact that all politicians lie was being used as an excuse for this supposed (and even if it is, pretty small) lie. Who said such a thing? yep, the con supporters number 1 go to is "all politicians lie", the 2nd is "the liberals did it too!" What a sorry excuse for humans cons are Edited December 2, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
g_bambino Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 yep, the con supporters number 1 go to is "all politicians lie", the 2nd is "the liberals did it too!" Can you or can you not point to an actual instance where anyone said the fact that all politicians lie is an excuse to let this particular politician away with lying? Quote
Wild Bill Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) In a previous post I noted I wouldn't have been too outraged if MacKay told the truth about him needing a ride to Ontario...I'm outraged at the lengths he went to cover up his little lie and how many people he included in his deceit of the Canadian tax payers But I am not surprised that you are not concerned after all if MacKay goes down so will most of your other MPs sooner or later I hope you enjoy this government now because after 4 years they will have as many seats as the liberals have right now Who the hell said they are MY MPs? I don't have a political party to root for, at least not anymore. I would cheerfully criticize the Tories as much or more as I criticize the others, if I thought there was an issue of substance. As opposed to your approach, which is to throw crap at ANYTHING to see what sticks! You often go WAY past what is reasonable! Your hatred of the Tories is so blatant and obvious that it makes anything you post predictable. One doesn't have to read beyond the topic label to know exactly what you are going to say! It's like reading the Toronto Star! Why bother? Every page is just a variation of "Hate Harper!" or "Hate Hudak!" or "Hate Ford!", with the occasional report of an earthquake in Ebonia on page7, AFTER all the "Hate Tories" stuff. Back in Reform days we used to say that if Preston Manning discovered a cure for cancer the Star would report it as "Manning Takes Away Doctors' Jobs!" You and Topaz must crib from the same book! If you must dredge up nothing but mud, couldn't you find something that's not trivial once in a while? Find me evidence that Harper has a stripper as a mistress! Or that McKay is selling military secrets to the Chinese. I realize those are not good examples. Harper is an accountant and as such we'd be surprised if he had an affair with his own wife! And Canada doesn't have any military secrets modern enough to interest China. Still, there must be something more interesting than a Defence Minister taking a trip on a military aircraft! At least he has the guts to run the same risk as our servicemen and servicewomen! Rumour is that Chretien's ministers were under strict orders to never fly in a Sea King helicopter, for fear of the obvious scandal if they died in a crash! Edited December 2, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Posted December 2, 2011 At least he has the guts to run the same risk as our servicemen and servicewomen! Rumour is that Chretien's ministers were under strict orders to never fly in a Sea King helicopter, for fear of the obvious scandal if they died in a crash! See, this comment is what is wrong with you people You immediately bring past governments in this to attempt to make this MacKay thing seem lame You are a CON afterall Quote
GostHacked Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 Yes it was a stupid move and he is now getting busted for it. But if you want to talk about wasting money in the military or the government on the whole this chopper ride is really cheap. The government probably pisses away millions of dollars a week and we are worried about a few thousand dollars? But I guess this focus is on him lying about the whole event. So, should he be canned? I would say so. Quote
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Yes it was a stupid move and he is now getting busted for it. But if you want to talk about wasting money in the military or the government on the whole this chopper ride is really cheap. The government probably pisses away millions of dollars a week and we are worried about a few thousand dollars? But I guess this focus is on him lying about the whole event. So, should he be canned? I would say so. Like I said 3 or 4 times, I didn't really care about the fact he had a helicopter plane ride, it was that he covered it up elaborately with press releases, stories, even getting the military to lie for him to preserve his story and the fact that PM is still defending his story and that he is still sticking to his story Edited December 2, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Boges Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) See, this comment is what is wrong with you people What do you mean "You People?" Edited December 2, 2011 by Boges Quote
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Posted December 2, 2011 What do you mean "You People?" You people as in the people who don't seem to mind what he did plenty of them in this thread Quote
Boges Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 You people as in the people who don't seem to mind what he did plenty of them in this thread Oh I think it's pretty seedy but all "You People" feigning outrage is hilarious. As if this is going to bring down the gumint. Quote
g_bambino Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 See, this comment is what is wrong with you peopleYou immediately bring past governments in this to attempt to make this MacKay thing seem lame You are a CON afterall Wow. Could you be any further from his point? Quote
g_bambino Posted December 2, 2011 Report Posted December 2, 2011 You people as in the people who don't seem to mind what he did I think you're failing to notice the difference between not minding and maintaining a little perspective, a sense of scale. One can mind a matter without hyperventilating over it. Quote
olp1fan Posted December 3, 2011 Author Report Posted December 3, 2011 clearly cons and their supporters lack morality which is funny in a sad way being that they are the religion first group Quote
cybercoma Posted December 3, 2011 Report Posted December 3, 2011 Can you or can you not point to an actual instance where anyone said the fact that all politicians lie is an excuse to let this particular politician away with lying? Why bring it up at all then? SOmeone points out a politician is lying and you respond with "all politicians lie." What's the purpose of that response if not to excuse the politician's actions by making them seem common? Quote
Wild Bill Posted December 3, 2011 Report Posted December 3, 2011 clearly cons and their supporters lack morality which is funny in a sad way being that they are the religion first group I've always believed in science, from a young age. I've never accepted religion. You really do see the world and anyone who disagrees with you as just one great big straw man, don't you? I guess if you define how everything works and how everyone else thinks it's very easy to always think you're right! If THAT'S not religious type thinking I don't know what is! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 3, 2011 Report Posted December 3, 2011 clearly cons and their supporters lack morality which is funny in a sad way being that they are the religion first group So it is OK for the Lieberals to lack morality because they are not that much into "religion"? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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